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Answer is C -- \((x-1/3x)\)

Given details:

Rate at which L work --1/x
Rate at which L&J work -- x

Rate at which J alone works -- \((x-1/x)\)

Rate at which J alone works in 20 min. -- \((x-1/x) * (20/60) => (x-1/x)*(1/3)\)

On a side note, maybe this post needs to be moved to the Problem solving section.
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bunuel u always hit the nail to the point.......very easy explanation....thanks
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Just wondering,

if the job took say, 2.5 hours to complete, how would the answer change?

I understand your working though Bunuel, it's very clear.
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Just wondering,

if the job took say, 2.5 hours to complete, how would the answer change?

I understand your working though Bunuel, it's very clear.




If the job takes Joseph and Lindsay 2.5 hours together to complete.

and Lindsay take as regular 1/x hours to complete.

Then the rate at which Jospeh works would be = 1/2.5 - 1/x
= (x - 2.5) / (2.5x)

Hence, in 20 minutes

2.5 hours = 150 mins, so in 20 mins he would complete : 2 / 15 * (x - 2.5 ) / (2.5 x )
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if you use a smart number 2 for x, then A would be correct. I got this problem wrong two times so far in my studies and make the same mistake. Can someone explain why they would not think to use the number 2 as a smart number going into this problem?
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if you use a smart number 2 for x, then A would be correct. I got this problem wrong two times so far in my studies and make the same mistake. Can someone explain why they would not think to use the number 2 as a smart number going into this problem?


Have you checked Option C using x=2 ?

\(\frac{(x-1)}{3x}\) ----------> \(\frac{(2-1)}{3X2}\) ----------> \(\frac{1}{6}\) ------> Same as Option A
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Lindsay can paint 1/x of a certain room in one hour. If Lindsay and Joseph, working together at their respective rates, can paint the room in one hour, what fraction of the room can Joseph paint in 20 minutes?

A)1/3x

B)x/(x-3)

C)(x – 1)/3x

D)x/(x-1)

E)(x – 1)/x

I used substitution of values for the variable x, when x=2 i get an answer and when x=3 i get another answer! Please highlight my mistake. :cry:


LINDSAY ==> 1/X of room in 1 hr
LINDSAY + JOSEPH ==> FULL ROOM i.e 1 ROOM IN 1 HR
JOSEPH 1 HR WORK + LINDSAY 1 HR WORK = FULL ROOM PAINTING = 1
JOSEPH 1 HR WORK + 1/X = 1
JOSEPH 1 HR WORK = 1- 1/X = (X-1)X
THEREFORE JOSEPH WORK IN 20 MINUTES(1/3 OF HOUR) =\((1/3)*((X-1)/X)\) = \((X-1)/3X\)

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Let Joseph rate of work in 1 hr be y
Given : Lindsay rate of work in 1 hr as 1/x

Together,

1/x + y = 1

So Joseph rate of work would be

y = 1 - 1/x ==> x-1/x

In 20 min(1/3 of an hour), it would be 1/3(x-1/x) ==> x-1/3x
Option C
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Re: Lindsay can paint 1/x of a certain room in one hour. If Lindsay and Jo [#permalink]
1/x th of work-----1 hr
1 full work----------? hr --------x hrs by L to complete full work

Now xy/x+y=1
we have to find y i.e., hrs taken by J to complete full work

divide numerator and denominator of L.H.S with y
we get x divided by (x+y)*1/y=1
----x=(x+y)*1/y
----x=x/y+1
----x-1=x/y
----x-1/x=1/y
reciprocal both sides
----x/x-1=y


Now it takes x/x-1 hrs to complete 1 full work by J

then in 1/3 hrs i.e., 20 min----- ? work J completes

=1/3*1 whole divided by (x/x-1)
=1/3*(x-1/x)
=x-1/3x
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Rate of Lindsay \(= \frac{1}{60x}\)

Rate of Joseph \(= \frac{1}{60} - \frac{1}{60x} = \frac{x-1}{60x}\)

Work done by Joseph in 20 Minutes \(= \frac{x-1}{60x} * 20 = \frac{x-1}{3x}\)

Originally posted by PareshGmat on 10 Dec 2014, 02:37.
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Best approach for me is to plug in #s.

Say x=2, so Lindsay paints 1/2 of the room in one hour. Use D=RT for each Lindsay, Joseph and for both. (D:Work, R:Rate, T:Time) Say D=6

Consider Lindsay only: Lindsay paints 1/2 of D=6, meaning 3. Her rate is then R(Lindsay)=3 if T=1.

Consider Lindsay and Joseph: D=RT, D=6 and T=1, R becomes 6. R here is combined i.e., R= R(Lindsay)+R(Joseph)
R(Joseph) = 3 since R(Lindsay)=3.

Consider Joseph only: D=RT, R=3 and T= 20 min or 1/3 hr
D becomes 1. In other words, Joseph has painted 1/6 of the room in 20 min or 1/3 hr. 1/6 is target value. Plugin x=2 in Answer choices to match the target, C works.
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1) First, let's find Lindsay's rate: \(r*1=\frac{1}{x}, r=\frac{1}{x}\)
2) Now let's find Lindsay and Joseph's rate when working together: R*1=1; R=1
3) Joseph's rate is equal to Lindsay and Joseph's rate together - Lindsay's rate: \(R-r=1-\frac{1}{x}\)
4) Joseph's work in 20 minutes is equal to his rate (per hour) divided by 3. \((1-\frac{1}{x})/3=\frac{x-1}{x}*\frac{1}{3}=\frac{x-1}{3x}\)
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Lindsay can paint 1/x of a certain room in one hour. If Lindsay and Joseph, working together at their respective rates, can paint the room in one hour, what fraction of the room can Joseph paint in 20 minutes?

A. 1/3x
B. x/(x-3)
C. (x-1)/3x
D. x/(x-1)
E. (x-1)/x


let 1/j=J's rate
1/j=1-(1/x)
1/j*1/3=1/3-1/3x=(x-1)/3x
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Lindsay can paint 1/x of a certain room in one hour. If Lindsay and Joseph, working together at their respective rates, can paint the room in one hour, what fraction of the room can Joseph paint in 20 minutes?

A. 1/3x
B. x/(x-3)
C. (x-1)/3x
D. x/(x-1)
E. (x-1)/x


We are given that Lindsay's rate to paint a room is 1/x. We are also given that when she works with Joseph, they can paint the room in 1 hour. If we let total work = 1 and j = the number of hours it takes Joseph to paint the room by himself, then Joseph’s rate = 1/j. We can create the following equation and isolate j.

work of Lindsay + work of Joseph = 1

(1/x)(1) + (1/j)(1) = 1

1/x + 1/j = 1

Multiplying the entire equation by xj, we obtain:

j + x = xj

x = xj - j

x = j(x - 1)

x/(x-1) = j

Since j = x/(x-1) and 1/j = Joseph’s rate, Joseph’s rate in terms of x is (x - 1)/x.

Since 20 minutes = 1/3 of an hour, and since work = rate x time, Joseph can complete:

[(x - 1)/x](1/3) = (x - 1)/(3x) of the job in 20 minutes.

Answer: C
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Lindsay can paint 1/x of a certain room in one hour. If Lindsay and Joseph, working together at their respective rates, can paint the room in one hour, what fraction of the room can Joseph paint in 20 minutes?


A. \(\frac{1}{3x}\)

B. \(\frac{x}{(x-3)}\)

C. \(\frac{(x-1)}{3x}\)

D. \(\frac{x}{(x-1)}\)

E. \(\frac{(x-1)}{x}\)

If the algebraic equation eludes you, pick an unusual number for \(x\). Rates are in \(\frac{rooms}{hr}\)

Let \(x = 6\)
L's rate = \(\frac{1}{x}=\frac{1}{6}\)

L and J's combined rate =
\((\frac{1}{6}+\frac{1}{J})=\frac{1}{1}\)

J's rate: \(\frac{1}{J}=(\frac{1}{1} - \frac{1}{6}) = \frac{5}{6}\)

Work competed in 20 minutes = \(\frac{1}{3}\) hour?
\(RT= W\)
In 20 minutes, J completes
\((\frac{5}{6}*\frac{1}{3}) =\frac{5}{18}\) of a room

Using x = 5, find the answer* that yields \(\frac{5}{18}\)

A. \(\frac{1}{3x}=\frac{1}{(3*6)}=\frac{1}{18}\) - NO

B. \(\frac{x}{(x-3)}=\frac{6}{(6-3}=\frac{6}{3}=2\) - NO

C. \(\frac{(x-1)}{3x}=\frac{(6-1)}{18}=\frac{5}{18}\) - MATCH

D. \(\frac{x}{(x-1)}=\frac{6}{(6-1)}=\frac{6}{5}\)- NO

E. \(\frac{(x-1)}{x}=\frac{(6-1)}{6}=\frac{5}{6}\) - NO

Answer C

*1) if your answer is a fraction, do not reduce it (your answer is based on an assigned value for x - don't depart from that value); and 2) with this method you have to check all the answer choices
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I don't think this is a good question since you can plug the number 2 in and you would get A or C as the answer.

Can someone comment their opinion on the question quality?
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