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# Rhyme's Guide to Management Consulting Recruiting

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15 May 2008, 22:39
R.E.D. wrote:
rhyme, another great post! Shall keep in mind your advice not to let new opportunities/argumentations get me off the chosen track Recall a story of my friend who came to Ross and took a concentration in international business, while all his mates totally disagreed with his choice, because the international market was down a bit (2003), nobody saw any career opportunities in this field. But he was telling this story while sitting at a Russian cafe having come for iMAP project. Then, he had a great internship in MC traveling around the world and then spent a year on fabulous international projects. So, that's really true - when you know what you love most in your life, you'll have opportunities to do this.

i want to back up what rhyme said about the herd. Even I ended up dropping for one consulting firm. they chased me and i thought what the hell. I didn't get too far and didn't put much time in, and i'm glad for the experience. but my point is that if i can get sucked in, ANYONE can. I have one friend who sorta screwed up his recruiting by throwing himself on the mc wagon. He finally landed something, but it's not a particularly strategic move.
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16 May 2008, 02:00
To Rhyme and other folks who went through the MC process....how much do they care about undergrad GPA?
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To Rhyme and other folks who went through the MC process....how much do they care about undergrad GPA?

I didn't list it on my resume because it wasn't especially strong. I had it come up ONCE in an interview, where halfway through the guy says "ok, i like you. Let me ask you a few more things, just because they are going to ask me when I push you along". One of them was GPA - he said something along the lines of "So what was your GPA? I see you did well on the GMAT, but why isnt that there?" I explained, he accepted it and we moved on. For what its worth, it never once came up in any other interview I ever had, nor have I heard of anyone else being asked about theirs before. I dont know if its different at a lower ranked school, but I imagine not.

That said, a lot of online MC applications required you to input undergrad GPA, but it never came back up. I think it was just part of their default online application process.
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That said, a lot of online MC applications required you to input undergrad GPA, but it never came back up. I think it was just part of their default online application process.

ditto. btw, they also ask for your damned ACT/SAT scores, with breakdowns. WTF? my advice is to dig that stuff out now. It can take some time, so you'll save some frustration and $$if you do it now. GMAT Club Legend Affiliations: HHonors Diamond, BGS Honor Society Joined: 05 Apr 2006 Posts: 5926 Schools: Chicago (Booth) - Class of 2009 GMAT 1: 730 Q45 V45 WE: Business Development (Consumer Products) Followers: 302 Kudos [?]: 1951 [0], given: 7 Re: Guide to Management Consulting Recruiting [#permalink] ### Show Tags 16 May 2008, 13:46 aaudetat wrote: rhyme wrote: That said, a lot of online MC applications required you to input undergrad GPA, but it never came back up. I think it was just part of their default online application process. ditto. btw, they also ask for your damned ACT/SAT scores, with breakdowns. WTF? my advice is to dig that stuff out now. It can take some time, so you'll save some frustration and$$$if you do it now. True. I had that pop up once too. I just left it blank. Manager Joined: 01 Dec 2007 Posts: 198 Followers: 2 Kudos [?]: 12 [0], given: 0 Re: Guide to Management Consulting Recruiting [#permalink] ### Show Tags 16 May 2008, 14:28 And there I was...a year ago..thinking the GMAT will only have an impact on me getting into a school... Haha...I think pretty soon it's gonna be important to tell kids in school to get better grades and have documentation ready if they want to break into MC.. I wonder if they really use such old information to differentiate candidates or ask for it just because.... aaudetat wrote: ditto. btw, they also ask for your damned ACT/SAT scores, with breakdowns. WTF? my advice is to dig that stuff out now. It can take some time, so you'll save some frustration and$ if you do it now.
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22 May 2008, 01:23
To Rhyme and Audedat

I have been invited to the newly admitted students summer recruiting event at McKinsey, at one of their international offices. They required you to register online. Not surprisingly, they require you to input the undergrad GPA. What do you think I should do? It's a great networking opportunity, but I hope I will not be put on some GPA blacklist for future internship and FT events/interviews once I get to school....what do you guys think?

Anyone else care to chip in their views regarding how undergrad GPA affects MC recruitment?
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22 May 2008, 06:32
the more they know and like you, the less those impersonal benchmarks - like ug gpa - will matter.

i would just fill it out and go. they'll find out eventually anyway. and the invite-only events don't start until later in the fall semester.

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To Rhyme and Audedat

I have been invited to the newly admitted students summer recruiting event at McKinsey, at one of their international offices. They required you to register online. Not surprisingly, they require you to input the undergrad GPA. What do you think I should do? It's a great networking opportunity, but I hope I will not be put on some GPA blacklist for future internship and FT events/interviews once I get to school....what do you guys think?

Anyone else care to chip in their views regarding how undergrad GPA affects MC recruitment?
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22 May 2008, 08:29
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To Rhyme and Audedat

I have been invited to the newly admitted students summer recruiting event at McKinsey, at one of their international offices. They required you to register online. Not surprisingly, they require you to input the undergrad GPA. What do you think I should do? It's a great networking opportunity, but I hope I will not be put on some GPA blacklist for future internship and FT events/interviews once I get to school....what do you guys think?

Anyone else care to chip in their views regarding how undergrad GPA affects MC recruitment?

Absolutely go. Dont sweat the GPA issue. It's likely just a standard form they ask you to fill out, and I seriously doubt they'll even look at it - and they wont care what it is anyway.
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23 May 2008, 03:11
Thanks guys, very helpful. I will go to the event and see what's up.
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11 Jul 2008, 09:22
Great Post Ryme !!!! Kudos..

I had an interview with McKinsey in India last year .. (they take very few undergraduates from good colleges in India, but its very tough to get selected). there was a case study for Airports (similar to your museum story) and i blew it big time...... I wish i had seen this post earlier.....
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17 Jul 2008, 20:10
Has anyone ever interviewed with Booz and if so how did it go?
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29 Jul 2008, 20:35
Kudos, rhyme. Pursuing MC just started to cross my mind and this was a great intro to the field.
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10 Aug 2008, 12:28
Thanks - excellent information.

Found more information on this video from vualt..

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Thought I'd add one more thing.... if you get invited to a case prep session with MBB or whomever, show up prepared. These are often done in groups of 3 or 4 people with 1 consultant where you all get to work through the case together. I've been to some where the 3 or 4 students are fairly on par, and things move with reasonable speed and no one looks like an idiot. I've also been to some where people had clearly not prepared at all - and their excuse was "its non evaluative, so I figured I didn't need to prep":

1) Nothing is non-evaluative. You ever meet someone and NOT form an opinion? You really think that if a partner is impressed they wont take note of who impressed them?
2) Bombing a case in a private room and one partner is painful. Bombing it with a partner and two or three classmates is embarrassing and painful.
3) It wastes the time you have - you don't get meaningful feedback because you need so much more work that all you'll likely hear is 'Keep practicing', rather than specific tailored feedback.
4) It makes it frustrating for the others who have clearly prepared.
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Thought I'd add one more thing.... if you get invited to a case prep session with MBB or whomever, show up prepared. These are often done in groups of 3 or 4 people with 1 consultant where you all get to work through the case together. I've been to some where the 3 or 4 students are fairly on par, and things move with reasonable speed and no one looks like an idiot. I've also been to some where people had clearly not prepared at all - and their excuse was "its non evaluative, so I figured I didn't need to prep":

1) Nothing is non-evaluative. You ever meet someone and NOT form an opinion? You really think that if a partner is impressed they wont take note of who impressed them?
2) Bombing a case in a private room and one partner is painful. Bombing it with a partner and two or three classmates is embarrassing and painful.
3) It wastes the time you have - you don't get meaningful feedback because you need so much more work that all you'll likely hear is 'Keep practicing', rather than specific tailored feedback.
4) It makes it frustrating for the others who have clearly prepared.

Thank you for your MC recruiting guide rhyme ... This world is still a better place to live because of ppl like you

I have a couple of questions :

1) Does going to a school heavy on case study pedagogy help in MC ?
2) Is there any book which introduces MC (for people with no consulting background)? Will it help to know the terms and concepts beforehand ?? I do believe in prep
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23 Oct 2008, 10:51
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hey guys, a quick question:

what is the average annual % raise for an associate at M/B/B? i have never seen any data on this. is it close to GM, ~5%? or is it closer to i-banking (no idea what %)?

thanks for your help!
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rhyme wrote:
Thought I'd add one more thing.... if you get invited to a case prep session with MBB or whomever, show up prepared. These are often done in groups of 3 or 4 people with 1 consultant where you all get to work through the case together. I've been to some where the 3 or 4 students are fairly on par, and things move with reasonable speed and no one looks like an idiot. I've also been to some where people had clearly not prepared at all - and their excuse was "its non evaluative, so I figured I didn't need to prep":

1) Nothing is non-evaluative. You ever meet someone and NOT form an opinion? You really think that if a partner is impressed they wont take note of who impressed them?
2) Bombing a case in a private room and one partner is painful. Bombing it with a partner and two or three classmates is embarrassing and painful.
3) It wastes the time you have - you don't get meaningful feedback because you need so much more work that all you'll likely hear is 'Keep practicing', rather than specific tailored feedback.
4) It makes it frustrating for the others who have clearly prepared.

Thank you for your MC recruiting guide rhyme ... This world is still a better place to live because of ppl like you

I have a couple of questions :

1) Does going to a school heavy on case study pedagogy help in MC ?
2) Is there any book which introduces MC (for people with no consulting background)? Will it help to know the terms and concepts beforehand ?? I do believe in prep

1) No. The cases are fundamentally different in style and content. Questions can be straightforward "Why are we loosing money" to pretty wacky "Our client just found some dinosaur remains. What are they worth?". (from a big 3 firm no less!)

2) Most books suck, but if you have no idea what to expect, try "Case In Point". Don't get too worked up about the frameworks yet, I think he gives way way too many (I've got it down to 3 ... I think he has something like 12, its crazy).
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1) No. The cases are fundamentally different in style and content. Questions can be straightforward "Why are we loosing money" to pretty wacky "Our client just found some dinosaur remains. What are they worth?". (from a big 3 firm no less!)

2) Most books suck, but if you have no idea what to expect, try "Case In Point". Don't get too worked up about the frameworks yet, I think he gives way way too many (I've got it down to 3 ... I think he has something like 12, its crazy).

Thanks rhyme ....
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30 Jul 2009, 09:51
Hey Rhyme,

This is an excellent thread. Thank you for all the helpful info.

I am an American interested in starting at a Latin American office - hopefully in Brazil - of one of the big 3 after school. Do you know if international offices of the big 3, specifically the Latin American offices, recruit American MBAs? If so, how hard is it for an American MBA to land a position at, say, the Sao Paulo office? FYI - I speak both Spanish and Portuguese.

Thanks.
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