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17 Oct 2012, 23:05
Hi

I am applying for Fall 2013 in various scores.

I have both valid GRE and GMAT scores.
GRE score -Given in 2009
Q-800 , V-610 and AWA-3

GMAT score-Given in Sept 2012
Q-49 V-40 Tot-720 AWA-5 IR-8

Which score is more suitable for universities which accept both scores.

Any help will be appreciated

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27 Jan 2013, 14:01
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1. A lot of people would not trust ETS conversion. But I am intrigued to know what strategy do B-schools apply to screen candidates from a pool of application with both GMAT and GRE scores. Do they treat these pools differently or do they convert the score and make the scores comparable?

2. I have started preparing for GMAT as I believe a 5 year old score is too old and fresh score would add value. Any thoughts on this?

3. I am planning to apply in first/ second round next year.

1. I have no idea what adcoms do. It's like when colleges accept both the SAT and ACT...kind of makes the term "standardized testing" an oxymoron if applicants can take two different tests.

2. If your score is still valid this fall, it's not too old. If the policy is that scores need to be no more than five years old, then there's no difference between a test taken in 2009 or 2013. A good score is a good score.

3. Go ahead and take a crack at the GMAT. Even though more and more schools accept the GRE, I still believe that the GMAT is the gold standard in admissions. If you struggle on the GMAT, you're in a good spot because you still have a good GRE score to fall back on.

akhilbajaj wrote:

What is the acceptance rate of GRE among B-schools?

This data isn't out there. Also, just like the GMAT is only one part of the application, so is the GRE. There are way too many variables in the application to determine if taking the GRE was the reason someone did or didn't get admitted.

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18 Oct 2012, 00:13
My \$0.02

Definitely GMAT..

For one..your score is more recent. And B-schools prefer the GMAT to GRE.

Your Sept 2012 720 GMAT (with your split) is more impressive than the 1410 GRE from 2009.

Hi

I am applying for Fall 2013 in various scores.

I have both valid GRE and GMAT scores.
GRE score -Given in 2009
Q-800 , V-610 and AWA-3

GMAT score-Given in Sept 2012
Q-49 V-40 Tot-720 AWA-5 IR-8

Which score is more suitable for universities which accept both scores.

Any help will be appreciated

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18 Oct 2012, 07:33
Your GMAT score is better than your GRE score, so you should go with the GMAT. Though I disagree with the previous poster as to the fact that b-schools favor the GMAT over the GRE. As an admission director for an M7 program told me: "If we had less preference for the GRE over the GMAT we just would not accept it".
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18 Oct 2012, 09:21
Maybe that's the official line. But based on my extensive interactions with folks on this issue -- it is pretty clear that the GMAT gives you an edge over the GRE.

To put this is some context -- 4 or 5 years ago schools like HBS started accepting the GRE because they wanted to encourage more of the younger kids to apply (who might have had to take GRE to apply to masters programs etc) and to get more applications from international students. So ETS stepped in and decided to give the GRE a total makeover (which took another 5 years). Thus the new updated scoring scale that differentiates better at the high end and a more common sense approach towards the verbal section. But the GRE math section is much easier than the GMAT math section (and b-schools pay particular attention to your quant score).

Of course you don't have to take my word for all of the above. Here are some articles from reputed sources.

http://poetsandquants.com/2011/06/15/how-the-gre-stacks-up-against-the-gmat/

The GMAT is still the golden standard as far as most top B-schools are concerned. While many schools state they will accept either, a lingering suspicion remains that taking the GRE is tantamount to copping out. That said, Stanford and Harvard were amongst some of the very first business schools to accept the GRE.

http://www.usnewsuniversitydirectory.com/articles/most-mba-degree-seekers-take-the-gmat-over-the-gre_12367.aspx#.UIA0QlHnHCY

An additional 19% of MBA degree seekers said they aren't taking the GRE because they feel applicants who take the GMAT have an advantage during the admissions process.

This usnews article gives the revised GRE some props (and rightfully so). But..some points to consider.

An analysis of whether the GRE predicts student performance in business school as well as the GMAT will take at least two years, the length of the traditional M.B.A. program, said Julie Barefoot, associate dean of MBA admissions at Emory's Goizueta School.

One exception: If the applicant wants to pursue a career in management strategy consulting, Barefoot advises that student to take the GMAT because top firms in that field, such as McKinsey & Co. or Bain & Co., look at a candidate's GMAT scores during the hiring process.They use the GMAT as a way to get a sense of a candidate's raw quantitative abilities," Barefoot said. "Sometimes candidates on the front end aren't aware of that, and it's our job to tell them."

Since the revised GRE was introduced last summer, only a small percentage of students have requested permission to submit it instead of the GMAT, several business school admissions directors said.

"With the GMAT, we have a strong history that we can rely upon," Pyles said. "With the fulltime population of students, because of the short amount of work experience that the students have—it's just usually five years of work—[b]it becomes more important on the application to identify their standing in academic testing.[/b]"

Some information from one of the b-schools (I know you mentioned M7 schools...I know Fuqua isn't M7..But it's a decent program).

http://www.fuqua.duke.edu/programs/duke_mba/daytime/apply_daytime/

In the selection criteria section:

The Daytime MBA academic environment is rigorous, fast-paced, and requires strong quantitative and analytical skills. We utilize standardized test scores (GMAT is preferred but GRE is also accepted)

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Your GMAT score is better than your GRE score, so you should go with the GMAT. Though I disagree with the previous poster as to the fact that b-schools favor the GMAT over the GRE. As an admission director for an M7 program told me: "If we had less preference for the GRE over the GMAT we just would not accept it".
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18 Oct 2012, 18:38
also, some people say that schools started taking the GRE to attract more female candidates. I don't know how much truth there is to that, but it seems reasonable to met that that was part of the motivation.
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21 Jan 2013, 16:39
I took GRE little less than 5 years back. The score is going to expire in a few months. Considering that I scored 1440 on GRE which equals 720 on GMAT according to the ETS tool; should I apply to B-schools with GRE score or take GMAT now?

What is the acceptance rate of GRE among B-schools?
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21 Jan 2013, 18:39
akhilbajaj wrote:
I took GRE little less than 5 years back. The score is going to expire in a few months. Considering that I scored 1440 on GRE which equals 720 on GMAT according to the ETS tool; should I apply to B-schools with GRE score or take GMAT now?

What is the acceptance rate of GRE among B-schools?

1) I don't trust any converter in regards to GRE - > GMAT especially when ETS is doing the converting. Reason I say this is that it's apples to oranges since they're different applicant pools. I.e. 90% score on GMAT isn't the same as 90% on the GRE since different people are taking the tests.

2) When are you planning on applying? If it's Round 1, I'd say take the GMAT. If you're trying to do a Round 3 this year, focus on the application.

Final thought: Even if you get admitted with a GRE, keep in mind some top consulting and I-banking firms use the GMAT as a screening tool on resumes. Having not taken the GMAT can't be good in that situation.
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27 Jan 2013, 11:34
CobraKai wrote:

1) I don't trust any converter in regards to GRE - > GMAT especially when ETS is doing the converting. Reason I say this is that it's apples to oranges since they're different applicant pools. I.e. 90% score on GMAT isn't the same as 90% on the GRE since different people are taking the tests.

2) When are you planning on applying? If it's Round 1, I'd say take the GMAT. If you're trying to do a Round 3 this year, focus on the application.

Final thought: Even if you get admitted with a GRE, keep in mind some top consulting and I-banking firms use the GMAT as a screening tool on resumes. Having not taken the GMAT can't be good in that situation.

1. A lot of people would not trust ETS conversion. But I am intrigued to know what strategy do B-schools apply to screen candidates from a pool of application with both GMAT and GRE scores. Do they treat these pools differently or do they convert the score and make the scores comparable?

2. I have started preparing for GMAT as I believe a 5 year old score is too old and fresh score would add value. Any thoughts on this?

3. I am planning to apply in first/ second round next year.
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28 Jan 2013, 11:48
You did really well on the GMAT so you should apply with that. I personally would only use the GRE if I need to because GMAT was low.
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