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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 08 Mar 2008, 23:27
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Hi all--

Fresh poster. Great resource here. Figured this is as good of a time as any to jump right in and speak to my experience today...

I attended Haas' Super Saturday and came away, for the most part, impressed. Very bright student body, inspired and passionate. I did enjoy the format as you have an opportunity to meet many of your potential classmates. A few numbers released by adcom today. ~1100 R2 applicants...200 of which were invited to SS. In a side conversation with adcom, chances are pretty good they could take ~50% of those 200. Applications up 18% YOY (through R2).

All in all, a good day. Although, I must admit that I was disappointed regarding a few aspects. I thought the facilities were quite dilapidated. Maybe not on an absolute basis, but certainly relative to other schools that I am considering (Stanford, Anderson, Kellogg and Harvard). In addition, the technology utilized in classrooms is, for the most part, outdated. I truly couldn't believe my eyes when I witnessed the unquestioned use of an old school overhead projector. Not the digital overheads that are in use at many institutions (I believe these should be replaced in an effort to implement digital whiteboards, doc cams, LCDs, etc), but a 10+ year old dinosaur w/ a large cooling fan. IMHO, it doesn't seem like Haas is terribly interested in reinvesting in its infrastructure to stay on par with other elite schools. I may be nitpicking/ranting, but I personally place quite a lot of emphasis on a school's willingness to upgrade its facilities and technology to stay ahead of the curve.

Other than these few apparent drawbacks, I really did enjoy my day on campus. Again, many passionate and diverse students along with some highly charismatic faculty members.


UC Berkeley is a public school with more limited funding.
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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 09 Mar 2008, 00:03
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I attended Haas' Super Saturday and came away, for the most part, impressed. Very bright student body, inspired and passionate. I did enjoy the format as you have an opportunity to meet many of your potential classmates. A few numbers released by adcom today. ~1100 R2 applicants...200 of which were invited to SS. In a side conversation with adcom, chances are pretty good they could take ~50% of those 200. Applications up 18% YOY (through R2).

All in all, a good day. Although, I must admit that I was disappointed regarding a few aspects. I thought the facilities were quite dilapidated. Maybe not on an absolute basis, but certainly relative to other schools that I am considering (Stanford, Anderson, Kellogg and Harvard).


Glad you had a great time at SS! :) I really do like the format of SS.

WOW, *200* people at SS? We only had 100 and it was already crazy.

As for facilities, Haas is not the greatest I admit (just like mba2010 said, it's a public school, though with the increasing tuition, they may be able to upgrade more things), but this is the first I've heard anyone consider Stanford and Kellogg's facilities to be *better* than Haas. Stanford's building and classrooms are a joke (this is coming from someone who really wanted to get into Stanford), and Kellogg was pretty bad (I don't like the indoor "block" design, very crammed). Anderson is probably the best out of the ones I applied to, very very nice facilities. Harvard is amazing, period. :)

Anyway, hopefully they'll upgrade the stuff in the next few years while I'm there, but that's definitely the least of my worries when it comes to picking schools (otherwise I'd pick Anderson, hands down).

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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 09 Mar 2008, 00:13
Of the few schools I visited (Kellogg, Duke, and Haas), Duke had, by far, the very best facilities. However, they are blessed with plenty of space to expand. The common area is huuuuge with plenty of empty space to spread out.

There doesn't seem much room for Haas to expand since Berkeley is a more urban campus. Plus its shared with the undergrads.

Kellogg is also incredibly crowded given the student population. I hate crowded places but that's where I'm going to end up.

In my ideal world: Kellogg's student body, located in downtown Chicago, Duke's facilities, and Haas' MBA/MPH program :P
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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 09 Mar 2008, 00:35
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In my ideal world: Kellogg's student body, located in downtown Chicago, Duke's facilities, and Haas' MBA/MPH program :P


Modify that :P

My ideal world, Haas student body, located in SF, with Chicago GSB's building, and Stanford' or Haas' entrepreneurship and tech program. :)

But yeah, I was trying to walk around in the Jacobs Center during class changes, and it was a madhouse out there...

Too bad Haas has to use the facilities for both undergrad and grad (as much as I like interacting with undergrads). They were planning a Boalt-Haas buliding where the Boalt parking lot is, but that's put on hold... too bad.

The cool thing is Haas is right next to the Cal Stadium. :P
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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 09 Mar 2008, 08:21
200 people invited to interview...100 at SS. The remainder were int'l or domestics who couldn't make it in...
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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 09 Mar 2008, 11:08
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In addition, the technology utilized in classrooms is, for the most part, outdated. I truly couldn't believe my eyes when I witnessed the unquestioned use of an old school overhead projector. Not the digital overheads that are in use at many institutions (I believe these should be replaced in an effort to implement digital whiteboards, doc cams, LCDs, etc), but a 10+ year old dinosaur w/ a large cooling fan. IMHO, it doesn't seem like Haas is terribly interested in reinvesting in its infrastructure to stay on par with other elite schools. I may be nitpicking/ranting, but I personally place quite a lot of emphasis on a school's willingness to upgrade its facilities and technology to stay ahead of the curve.


Can you elaborate on what additional value/convenience is provided by the different technologies you mentioned? I'm not defending Haas or something, just curious - I'm very happy with the stuff Haas has, so it's interesting to know what am I possibly missing.
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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 09 Mar 2008, 11:16
I thought the facilities were fine when I visited. Maybe it just wasn't that crowded that day. Although maybe I should say they suck since they dinged me :wink: Of the schools I visited, I would put facilities in this order:

Chicago GSB/Harvard (tie - different styles, both great)
UCLA
Berkeley
Michigan (although these three are pretty close to me, and I was surprised that Michigan is dropping so much money on their new facility, the old one still seems nice)
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Stanford

Maybe I am not so picky since my undergrad, UW, has the worst B school building I have seen.
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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 09 Mar 2008, 15:39
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In addition, the technology utilized in classrooms is, for the most part, outdated. I truly couldn't believe my eyes when I witnessed the unquestioned use of an old school overhead projector. Not the digital overheads that are in use at many institutions (I believe these should be replaced in an effort to implement digital whiteboards, doc cams, LCDs, etc), but a 10+ year old dinosaur w/ a large cooling fan. IMHO, it doesn't seem like Haas is terribly interested in reinvesting in its infrastructure to stay on par with other elite schools. I may be nitpicking/ranting, but I personally place quite a lot of emphasis on a school's willingness to upgrade its facilities and technology to stay ahead of the curve.


Can you elaborate on what additional value/convenience is provided by the different technologies you mentioned? I'm not defending Haas or something, just curious - I'm very happy with the stuff Haas has, so it's interesting to know what am I possibly missing.


What's the difference between Sony's first 13" Trinitron and a new 46" LCD Bravia? Not much if you enjoy watching PBS. Similar for the use of a 10 year old projector versus Interactive whiteboards/Doc Cams/monitors. There's little difference outside of the clarity if instructors are using clear overhead sheets for static objects. That being said, newer technology would be required to display moving objects, etc.

The bottom line is that you would like to see schools keep up with technology as well as with its peers. It simply shows an unwillingness to invest into certain areas of the program. You can pay all you want for the most brilliant profs, but to turn a blind eye to aesthetics turns certain people off. Not all, but I did have conversations with some fellow candidates at SS and many noticed the same.
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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 09 Mar 2008, 16:36
Well, no one is actually using overhead sheets. Professors are projecting stuff from their tablets, so they're able both to show dynamic content and to write on the "board". That's why I was asking if those technologies actually add any functionality on top of that.
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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 09 Mar 2008, 16:48
For argument's sake, let's assume it adds zero value to the classroom setting. The fact that 10 year old technology is available for use is my point. I have seen more recent technology offered at various other institutions. The fact remains that it turns certain people off. The same people who have quality of profs, job potential, etc as key factors in their decision making process.

It doesn't need defending. To each his/her own...
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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 09 Mar 2008, 16:59
Right you are, perceptions do differ. For me, it's actually a good sign that the school doesn't spend money on non-value-adding gadgets. But I totally agree that people might be turned off by oldish ugly technology.
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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 09 Mar 2008, 20:33
hey peeps,

been a long time........but good to be back.

had my interview with a Haas faculty in India on Saturday......very chilled out usual conversation style interview. Dont think I maxed it, but dont even think I bummed it all in all.

My 2 cents on the tech/infra in the different schools i visited

1. HBS
2. U-Chic
3. Wharton
4. Berk
5. Tuck
6. MIT
7. Stan

Kindof ironic - the three big name "tech" schools - MIT/Stan/Berk - all come lower down in my ranking
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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 09 Mar 2008, 21:58
Well, for Haas the reason is being part of UC with its humongous outdated infrastructure and policies made of concrete.
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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 09 Mar 2008, 22:41
ahh, ok, thanks for the clarification!

braindancer: yeah... i hope this "detachment" from UC (of all professional schools) will help Haas and Anderson get better facilities soon!
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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 10 Mar 2008, 06:26
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ahh, ok, thanks for the clarification!

braindancer: yeah... i hope this "detachment" from UC (of all professional schools) will help Haas and Anderson get better facilities soon!


There really doesn't seem to be much room for Haas to expand...
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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 10 Mar 2008, 08:06
well, there were plans (as I mentioned before) to take out the Boalt Hall parking lot between Haas and Boalt and build a new joint building... that would have helped.
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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 10 Mar 2008, 18:40
Just returned from SS and my first trip to Berkeley, CA. I had a great time. The students/adcom were great. The day went along very smoothly, along quite long by the end of the process. It was excellent to see how many student ambassadors were taking ownership of the entire process. From the panels to the tour, kudos to all involved. No real negatives to speak of. You could say that the facilities could use a face lift, but that's a relatively minor point. I would expect that this will be addressed in the near future, hopefully while the c/o '10 has matriculated.

My interviewer GRILLED me like I have never been interrogated before. I don't think she was satisfied with a number of my answers as she probed deeper and deeper, sometimes spending 5+ minutes on a minor topic. It probably wasn't nearly as harsh as it could have been, but relative to my other interviews, it was certainly not a walk in the park. Obviously I don't think she intended it to be rude, but I'm guessing maybe she didn't wake up on the right side of the bed? :-D
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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 11 Mar 2008, 01:07
SkiC! Glad to hear you had a great time at SS! I must say, I have been EXTREMELY impressed by every event Haas has put together so far, from infosessions to SS.

Interesting how the interviewer grilled you. I guess I could see them probing very deep. I had such a good experience with my interviewer that I didn't mind him asking me deeper questions... but it's probably because the styles are different. Either way, I think you probably did a great job and good luck with getting that phone call from Pete in a week or two!!!
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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 14 Mar 2008, 14:11
have any R3 applicants received interview invitations yet?
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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 14 Mar 2008, 17:05
i'm guessing they're crazy busy making decisions at the moment. I would probably wait until next Monday, after they make all the admit calls for R2.
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