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How many integers are divisible by 3 between 10! and 10! + 20 inclusive? (A) 6 (B) 7 (C) 8 (D) 9 (E) 10 Source: GMAT Club Tests - hardest GMAT questions
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bigfernhead wrote: Can someone show me the quick and easy way to do this?
How many integers divisible by 3 are there between 10! and 10! + 20 inclusive?
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10 IMO: 7 10!, 10!+3, 10!+6, 10!+9, 10!+12, 10!+15, 10!+18.
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i get 8... because when you divide (10!+9) you are still left with one more 3..from 9
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fresinha12 wrote: i get 8... because when you divide (10!+9) you are still left with one more 3..from 9 if that is the case, then should you also consider 10!+18? I will still stay with 7, though.
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nganle08 wrote: fresinha12 wrote: i get 8... because when you divide (10!+9) you are still left with one more 3..from 9 if that is the case, then should you also consider 10!+18? I will still stay with 7, though. yes you are right it should be 9... cause you get one more 3 from 18..
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How can you have more than 7 when you're only talking about 21 numbers? 10! is the first, and 10!+20 is the 21st number. If the very first number is divisible by 3, then that means there are 7 numbers between 10! and 10!+20 that are divisible by 3. 10! is divisble by 3 10!+3 is too 10!+6 is too 10!+9 is too 10!+12 is too 10!+15 is too 10!+18 is too that's 7 It's the same as saying "How many integers are divisible by 3 between 1! and 1!+20. This question focuses more on the span between 10! and 10!+20 than the actual divisibility issue. There will always be 7 when you have 21 consecutive numbers and determine how many are divisble by 3 because 21 is divisible by 3 seven times.
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jallenmorris wrote: How can you have more than 7 when you're only talking about 21 numbers? 10! is the first, and 10!+20 is the 21st number. If the very first number is divisible by 3, then that means there are 7 numbers between 10! and 10!+20 that are divisible by 3.
10! is divisble by 3
10!+3 is too
10!+6 is too
10!+9 is too
10!+12 is too
10!+15 is too
10!+18 is too
that's 7
It's the same as saying "How many integers are divisible by 3 between 1! and 1!+20.
This question focuses more on the span between 10! and 10!+20 than the actual divisibility issue.
There will always be 7 when you have 21 consecutive numbers and determine how many are divisble by 3 because 21 is divisible by 3 seven times. jallenmorris, are you sure with the statement above marked red? Probably you want to say "How many integers are divisible by 3 between 0 and 20 (or 1!+20)?
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Isn't 1! = 1? and then 1! + 20 = 21? So how many integers are divisble between 1! and 1!+20 inclusive? (I didn't say inclusive before). The point of my statement is that the question does not mater that it's 10!, the key to the question is how many consecutive numbers there are in a row. Since there are 21 consecutive numbers, there will always be 7 integers in that set of 21 numbers that are divisible by 3. GMAT TIGER wrote: jallenmorris wrote: How can you have more than 7 when you're only talking about 21 numbers? 10! is the first, and 10!+20 is the 21st number. If the very first number is divisible by 3, then that means there are 7 numbers between 10! and 10!+20 that are divisible by 3.
10! is divisble by 3
10!+3 is too
10!+6 is too
10!+9 is too
10!+12 is too
10!+15 is too
10!+18 is too
that's 7
It's the same as saying "How many integers are divisible by 3 between 1! and 1!+20.
This question focuses more on the span between 10! and 10!+20 than the actual divisibility issue.
There will always be 7 when you have 21 consecutive numbers and determine how many are divisble by 3 because 21 is divisible by 3 seven times. jallenmorris, are you sure with the statement above marked red? Probably you want to say "How many integers are divisible by 3 between 0 and 20 (or 1!+20)? _________________
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okay, what I really want to know is if there's a quicker way to figure out this problem. Afaik, you're not allowed to use a calculator on the official exam. So how did you figure out what 10! equals to in such a short time? Do you really have to literally write that all out on paper to figure out that number?
Do all this 10 x 9 x 8 x 7 x 6 x 5 x 4 x 3 x 2 x 1 on the paper? thats really time consuming and could easily make a mistake. I mean, yea sure, as soon as I can figure out what 10! equals to. I can definitely figure out whether it's divisible by 3 then on to the final step. But, figuring out what is 10! is really an issue here on a time-constraint basis
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I'm not sure why you need to calculate the exact number of 10!. As far as this question is concerned, you just need to understand that 10! is divisible by 3. Please make sure you read through all posts of this thread carefully. If you know what a factorial is, you know that 10! is surely divisible by all numbers less than and equal to 10. Use it as a fact. You don't have to calculate the exact 10! I hope this makes sense. Sorry if I misunderstood your question. Norlan wrote: okay, what I really want to know is if there's a quicker way to figure out this problem. Afaik, you're not allowed to use a calculator on the official exam. So how did you figure out what 10! equals to in such a short time? Do you really have to literally write that all out on paper to figure out that number?
Do all this 10 x 9 x 8 x 7 x 6 x 5 x 4 x 3 x 2 x 1 on the paper? thats really time consuming and could easily make a mistake. I mean, yea sure, as soon as I can figure out what 10! equals to. I can definitely figure out whether it's divisible by 3 then on to the final step. But, figuring out what is 10! is really an issue here on a time-constraint basis
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my Ans is 7. the Nos which are divisible by 3 between 10! and 10!+20 is 10! 10!+3 10!+6 10!+9 10!+12 10!+15 10!+18. thats all.
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Norlan wrote: okay, what I really want to know is if there's a quicker way to figure out this problem. Afaik, you're not allowed to use a calculator on the official exam. So how did you figure out what 10! equals to in such a short time? Do you really have to literally write that all out on paper to figure out that number?
Do all this 10 x 9 x 8 x 7 x 6 x 5 x 4 x 3 x 2 x 1 on the paper? thats really time consuming and could easily make a mistake. I mean, yea sure, as soon as I can figure out what 10! equals to. I can definitely figure out whether it's divisible by 3 then on to the final step. But, figuring out what is 10! is really an issue here on a time-constraint basis Hey Norlan, i hope i can suggest you a better quick and easy way. since we all know that 10!=10x9x8x7x6x5x4x3x2x1 there has to be no doubt about divisibility of 10! by 3 as it has 3 as a factor. so, numbers will be divisible by 3 if it contains 3 as factor. starting from first no: 10! - it is divisible by 3(it has 3 as factor) 10!+1- not divisible ; as 10! is divisible by 3 but not 1. 10!+2 10!+3--10!+3x1 10!+4 10!+5 10!+6--10!+3x2 10!+7 10!+8 10!+9--10!+3x3 10!+10 10!+11 10!+12--10!+3x4 10!+13 10!+14 10!+15--10!+3x5 10!+16 10!+17 10!+18--10!+3x6 10!+19 10!+20 only above colored nos have 3 as a factor. so, only these Nos will be divisible by 3 if you will count these no. it will be equal to 7.\\\ hope it will help you.
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Counting the number of integers within a range
=> substract the extremes and add one
Counting the multiples of x within a range:
=> find the nearest multiples of x (to the extremes)
=> substract them and divide by x
=> add one
Here:
(10!+18 -10!) / 3 = 6
6+1 = 7
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For me the approach was based on the fact that in consecutive numbers every third number will be divisible by 3... so in any 21 consecutive numbers only 7 numbers can be divisible by 3, irerespective of from where the counting starts...so i simply ignored the 10! part....
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10! is divisible by 3. So every third number after that will be as well. There are exactly 6 such numbers, 10!+3 ... 10!+18 So total numbers = 1+6 = 7
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Damn! completely forgot to include 10! in my list. I guess that's the kinda booby trap they're setting.
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