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Wow - between Walker and Bunuel, we have Math covered.
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I'm having a little trouble with the solution to a sample problem in MGMAT Word Translations (3rd Ed) p. 99-100.

Q: "A medical researcher must choose one of 14 patients to receive an experimental medicine called Progaine. The researcher must then choose one of the remaining 13 patients to receiver another medicine, called Ropecia. Finally, the researcher administers a placebo to one of the remaining 12 patients. All choices are equally random. If Donald is one of the 14 patients, what is the probability that Donald receivers either Prograine or Ropecia?"

I thought this was a simple "without replacement" question.

Probability of Donald getting Progaine: 1/14
Probability of Donald getting Ropecia after one patient is removed from the pool: 1/13

(1/14)+(1/13) = 27/182

The book says the answer is

Probability of Donald getting Prograine: 1/14
Probability of Donald getting Ropecia: 1/14

(1/14)+(1/14) = 1/7

Anyone see why this is not a "without replacement" problem? I'm stumped.


Donald to receiver either Prograine or Ropecia must be among first two chosen patients and as there are 14 patients then the probability of this is simply 2/14=1/7.
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jasonedward wrote:
I'm having a little trouble with the solution to a sample problem in MGMAT Word Translations (3rd Ed) p. 99-100.

Q: "A medical researcher must choose one of 14 patients to receive an experimental medicine called Progaine. The researcher must then choose one of the remaining 13 patients to receiver another medicine, called Ropecia. Finally, the researcher administers a placebo to one of the remaining 12 patients. All choices are equally random. If Donald is one of the 14 patients, what is the probability that Donald receivers either Prograine or Ropecia?"

I thought this was a simple "without replacement" question.

Probability of Donald getting Progaine: 1/14
Probability of Donald getting Ropecia after one patient is removed from the pool: 1/13-- something wrong here

(1/14)+(1/13) = 27/182

The book says the answer is

Probability of Donald getting Prograine: 1/14
Probability of Donald getting Ropecia: 1/14

(1/14)+(1/14) = 1/7

Anyone see why this is not a "without replacement" problem? I'm stumped.


Donald Getting prograine = 1/14 (1 out of 14 patients should be chosen for prograine)
Donald Not getting prograine = 13/14
Donald Getting Ropecia = 1/13 (1 out of 13 patients should be chosen for Ropecia)

How can Donald get either P or R
Donald will get Prograine and get done OR Donald will not get Prograine and get Ropecia

1/14+ 13/14*1/13 = 1/14+1/14 = 1/7

I believe it is a without replacement problem.
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My problem: If choosing 3 out of 10, what is probability of getting one couple who is married?

Probability of choosing any person: 10/10 = 1
Probability of choosing the wife: 1/9
Probability of choosing any person: 8/8 = 1

Total probability = 1 * 1/9 * 1 = 1/9

This is wrong. What is mistake in thinking here?


You've answered a more specific question: what is the probability, if picking people one at a time, that you first pick two married people, then pick someone else? As you correctly worked out, the answer to that question is 1/9. But there are other ways to pick two married people -- you could pick them in the order MMX as you did, where the 'X' is the unmarried person of the three, or in the order MXM, or in the order XMM. Because there are three ways to pick two married people, each equally probable, you need to multiply your "1/9" by 3 to get the right answer.
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\(C^6_1\) - the number of committees formed from Bob and one person out of 6 people.
\(C^6_1\) - the number of committees formed from Rachel and one person out of 6 people.

So, \(C^6_1 + C^6_1 = 2*C^6_1\) - the number of committees formed from Rob or Rachel and one person out of 6 other people.
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I'm having a little trouble with the solution to a sample problem in MGMAT Word Translations (3rd Ed) p. 99-100.

Q: "A medical researcher must choose one of 14 patients to receive an experimental medicine called Progaine. The researcher must then choose one of the remaining 13 patients to receiver another medicine, called Ropecia. Finally, the researcher administers a placebo to one of the remaining 12 patients. All choices are equally random. If Donald is one of the 14 patients, what is the probability that Donald receivers either Prograine or Ropecia?"

I thought this was a simple "without replacement" question.

Probability of Donald getting Progaine: 1/14
Probability of Donald getting Ropecia after one patient is removed from the pool: 1/13

(1/14)+(1/13) = 27/182

The book says the answer is

Probability of Donald getting Prograine: 1/14
Probability of Donald getting Ropecia: 1/14

(1/14)+(1/14) = 1/7

Anyone see why this is not a "without replacement" problem? I'm stumped.
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Dear Walker

I was trying your given example- Given that there are 5 married couples. If we select only 3 people out of the 10, what is the probability that none of them are married to each other? with other method but the answer is coming wrong.

I did 10c1X8c1X6c1/ 10c3. We can select any one random person from 10 then to avoid pairing we remove his/her counterpart so next selection becomes 8c1 and similarly 6c1...but the probability is coming out to be 4. Where am I wrong?

Thanks for your help! :)


The following post might help: if-4-people-are-selected-from-a-group-of-6-married-couples-99055.html#p764040

Also check similar questions to practice:
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if-4-people-are-selected-from-a-group-of-6-married-couples-99055.html
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if-a-committee-of-3-people-is-to-be-selected-from-among-88772.html
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Can any one help me solve below example and how the probability tree works?

Q: Julia and Brian play a game in which Julia takes a ball and if it is green, she wins. If the first ball is not green, she takes the second ball (without replacing first) and she wins if the two balls are white or if the first ball is gray and the second ball is white. What is the probability of Julia winning if the jar contains 1 gray, 2 white and 4 green balls?


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Please find attached probability tree for the above problem.
Required answer = 4/7 + 2/42 + 2/42 = 28/42 = 2/3 .

Hope this helps.

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Aren't we looking for the permutations here instead of the combination? aren't HHHTTTTT and HHTTTTTH the same combination but two different permutations?


Hi Aminaelm ,

Yes, you are right. Let's analyze it more closely.

No. of arrangements of HHHTTTTT = \(\frac{8!}{5!\times 3!} = {{8}\choose{3}}\) .

Hence, we are taking into account all the possible arrangements in the given formula. Hope this helps.

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Q: If the probability of a certain event is p, what is the probability of it occurring k times in n-time sequence?
(Or in English, what is the probability of getting 3 heads while tossing a coin 8 times?)
Solution: All events are independent. So, we can say that:

\(P' = p^k*(1-p)^{n-k}\) (1)

But it isn't the right answer. It would be right if we specified exactly each position for events in the sequence. So, we need to take into account that there are more than one outcomes. Let's consider our example with a coin where "H" stands for Heads and "T" stands for Tails:
HHHTTTTT and HHTTTTTH are different mutually exclusive outcomes but they both have 3 heads and 5 tails. Therefore, we need to include all combinations of heads and tails. In our general question, probability of occurring event k times in n-time sequence could be expressed as:

\(P = C^n_k*p^k*(1-p)^{n-k}\) (2)

In the example with a coin, right answer is \(P = C^8_3*0.5^3*0.5^5 =C^8_3*0.5^8\)

I didn't get how we have found 0.5. The power 3 - is it mean the number of needed H and the power 5 represent T? So, what is 0.5?

Example #1
Q.:If the probability of raining on any given day in Atlanta is 40 percent, what is the probability of raining on exactly 2 days in a 7-day period?
Solution: We are not interested in the exact sequence of event and thus apply formula #2:
\(P = C^7_2*0.4^2*0.6^5\)


I want to specify, the powers 2 and 5 are the numbers of days?? I assume that 0,4 it's the likelihood of the raining and 0.6 of the sunny weather. Right?
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Can someone explain the reversal probability approach under the first bold face part?

Also please please explain the red text under the married couple example, how did you know to choose 3 couple out of 5? Is it because the question asks for 3 ppl not married? Im completely lost on this example and particularly on the reversal combinatorial approach......


Check similar problems with different approaches:
combination-permutation-problem-couples-98533.html
ps-combinations-94068.html
committee-of-88772.html

Hope it helps.

As for the reverse probability approach, can you please be a bit more specific, what part is confusing for you?
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Example #2
Q: Given that there are 5 married couples. If we select only 3 people out of the 10, what is the probability that none of them are married to each other?
Solution:

1) combinatorial approach:
\(C^5_3\) - we choose 3 couples out of 5 couples.
\(C^2_1\) - we chose one person out of a couple.
\((C^2_1)^3\) - we have 3 couple and we choose one person out of each couple.
\(C^{10}_3\) - the total number of combinations to choose 3 people out of 10 people.

\(p=\frac{C^5_3*(C^2_1)^3}{C^{10}_3}=\frac{10*8}{10*3*4} = \frac{2}{3}\)

2) reversal combinatorial approach: In this example reversal approach is a bit shorter and faster.
\(C^5_1\) - we choose 1 couple out of 5 couples.
\(C^8_1\) - we chose one person out of remaining 8 people.
\(C^{10}_3\) - the total number of combinations to choose 3 people out of 10 people.

\(p=1 - \frac{C^5_1*C^8_1}{C^{10}_3}=1 - \frac{5*8}{10*3*4} = \frac{2}{3}\)

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Didn't follow the reverse combinatorial approach here. The question asks the probability that none of the 3 people selected would be married. But the approach is taking 1 married couple and 1 unmarried person. What am I missing?


Aditi10,

We can select 3 people out of 10 peoples (5 married couples) in two possible ways:

1. Event A: None of them are married to each other
or
2. Event B: 1 married couple and 1 person.

Note that event A and B are mutually exclusive and exhaustive events.

We know that total probability is always 1. => P(A) + P(B) = 1

In the first approach, we directly compute P(A).

In "reverse combinatorial" approach, we calculate first P(B) and then subtract it from 1 to get P(A).

Hope it helps.
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This is very basic but I am getting confused by the concepts.

If a fair coin is flipped three times, what is the probability that it
comes up heads all three times?

So the way I understand it, P of getting tails is 1/2*1/2*1/2=1/8

Because each event is independent from one another, I calculate the probability of getting heads as 1-1/8=7/8 but the right answer is 1/8....

What am I doing wrong?


Hi azelastine,

Your first part is correct, i.e. probability of getting 3 tails is 1/8.
Similarly, you can compute the probability of getting three heads.
Please note that each coin toss is independent of one another, that's why we can multiply the probability of each event.
P(HHH) = P(getting head on the first toss) and P(getting head on the second toss) and P(getting head on the third toss)= 1/2 * 1/2 * 1/2 = 1/8

AND implies Multiplication(*)
OR implies Addition(+)

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Because each event is independent from one another, I calculate the probability of getting heads as 1-1/8=7/8 but the right answer is 1/8....


Here you are assuming that following events are complementary to each other:
1. Getting three tails, i.e. P(TTT) and
2. Getting three heads, i.e.P(HHH)
P(TTT) + P(HHH) = 1
This is not correct.

Let's enumerate the all possible outcomes(sample space).
1. HHH
2. HHT
3. HTT
4. TTT
5. TTH
6. THH
7. THT
8. HTH

Sum of probabilities of all these events will be equal to 1. i.e.
P(HHH) + P(HHT) + P(HTT) + P(TTT) + P(TTH) + P(THH) + P(THT) + P(HTH) = 1

In general, if you toss the coin n times, then total possible outcomes = 2^n. In this cane, n= 3, so total outcomes = 2^3 = 8.

Hope it helps.

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azelastine wrote:
This is very basic but I am getting confused by the concepts.

If a fair coin is flipped three times, what is the probability that it
comes up heads all three times?

So the way I understand it, P of getting tails is 1/2*1/2*1/2=1/8

Because each event is independent from one another, I calculate the probability of getting heads as 1-1/8=7/8 but the right answer is 1/8....

What am I doing wrong?


Hi azelastine,

Your first part is correct, i.e. probability of getting 3 tails is 1/8.
Similarly, you can compute the probability of getting three heads.
Please note that each coin toss is independent of one another, that's why we can multiply the probability of each event.
P(HHH) = P(getting head on the first toss) and P(getting head on the second toss) and P(getting head on the third toss)= 1/2 * 1/2 * 1/2 = 1/8

AND implies Multiplication(*)
OR implies Addition(+)

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Because each event is independent from one another, I calculate the probability of getting heads as 1-1/8=7/8 but the right answer is 1/8....


Here you are assuming that following events are complementary to each other:
1. Getting three tails, i.e. P(TTT) and
2. Getting three heads, i.e.P(HHH)
P(TTT) + P(HHH) = 1
This is not correct.

Let's enumerate the all possible outcomes(sample space).
1. HHH
2. HHT
3. HTT
4. TTT
5. TTH
6. THH
7. THT
8. HTH

Sum of probabilities of all these events will be equal to 1. i.e.
P(HHH) + P(HHT) + P(HTT) + P(TTT) + P(TTH) + P(THH) + P(THT) + P(HTH) = 1

In general, if you toss the coin n times, then total possible outcomes = 2^n. In this cane, n= 3, so total outcomes = 2^3 = 8.

Hope it helps.

Thanks.


Thanks for the explanation, this is very helpful.

Could you help me understand the difference between this and the following problem?

A fair coin is flipped twice. What is the probability that the coin lands showing heads on the first flip, second flip or both?

The solution to this question is two-step: 1) P (two tails)=1/4, 2) 1-1/4=3/4
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Q: If the probability of a certain event is p, what is the probability of it occurring k times in n-time sequence?
(Or in English, what is the probability of getting 3 heads while tossing a coin 8 times?)
Solution: All events are independent. So, we can say that:

P′=pk∗(1−p)n−kP′=pk∗(1−p)n−k (1)

But it isn't the right answer. It would be right if we specified exactly each position for events in the sequence. So, we need to take into account that there are more than one outcomes. Let's consider our example with a coin where "H" stands for Heads and "T" stands for Tails:
HHHTTTTT and HHTTTTTH are different mutually exclusive outcomes but they both have 3 heads and 5 tails. Therefore, we need to include all combinations of heads and tails. In our general question, probability of occurring event k times in n-time sequence could be expressed as:

P=Cnk∗pk∗(1−p)n−kP=Ckn∗pk∗(1−p)n−k (2)

In the example with a coin, right answer is P=C83∗0.53∗0.55=C83∗0.58

Aren't we looking for the permutations here instead of the combination ? aren't HHHTTTTT and HHTTTTTH the same combination but two different permutations?
Thank you for your clarifications ;)
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