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Princess Diana’s dresses set the standard for all fashion houses in Europe. Such a thing didn’t happen before or since.

A) didn’t happen before or
B) had neither happened before or
C) didn’t happen before and hasn’t happened
D) hasn’t happened either before or
E) hadn’t happened before and hasn’t happene
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Re: Princess Diana’s dresses [#permalink] New post 13 Apr 2010, 03:42
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Princess Diana’s dresses set the standard for all fashion houses in Europe. Such a thing didn’t happen before or since.

A) didn’t happen before or
B) had neither happened before or
C) didn’t happen before and hasn’t happened
Rephrasing : Such a thing didn’t happen before and since such thing hasn't happened
( MY FORMULA=> PAST ; PRESENT PERFECT)
D) hasn’t happened either before or
E) hadn’t happened before and hasn’t happene


IMO C
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Re: Princess Diana’s dresses [#permalink] New post 20 May 2010, 22:09
OA is E.
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Re: Princess Diana’s dresses [#permalink] New post 21 May 2010, 04:28
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Princess Diana’s dresses set the standard for all fashion houses in Europe. Such a thing didn’t happen before or since.

A) didn’t happen before or
B) had neither happened before or
C) didn’t happen before and hasn’t happened
D) hasn’t happened either before or
E) hadn’t happened before and hasn’t happene


My Answer E - agree with OA

Please let me know if anyone sees anything wrong in this explanation:
1. "Didn't happen" in the original sentence refers to a time before the event
Quote:
Princess Diana’s dresses set the standard
. Hence it use past perfect tense not simple past. That cuts A, C and D
2. B is wrong because "neither" should be followed by "nor" and not "or"

E has the right tense. Also the "hasn't happened" is the right tense (present perfect) for the time period between
Quote:
Princess Diana’s dresses set the standard
and now.
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Re: Princess Diana’s dresses [#permalink] New post 21 May 2010, 05:17
Princess Diana’s dresses set the standard for all fashion houses in Europe. Such a thing didn’t happen before or since.

A) didn’t happen before or since
B) had neither happened before or since
C) didn’t happen before and hasn’t happened
D) hasn’t happened either before or since
E) hadn’t happened before and hasn’t happened since
I added these parts in red that I am assuming were left off.

A. The original is awkward. B. The neither is wrong. C. didn't happen is not parallel with the later hasn't happened. D. The hasn't happened either before or since has a tense that does describes the past past but not the recent past.
E. Still awkward. but most correct.
I dislike all these options.
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Re: Princess Diana’s dresses [#permalink] New post 21 May 2010, 05:31
looking at the OA....i think the sentence requires 'and'....i did not catch that earlier.

'or' changes the meaning of the sentence......

so A, B and D are out......

C is weird

and E should be the correct one.

"such thing had not happened before and has not happened since"....the difficult part is to understand that the sentence requires the usage of 'and'.....am I right in my understanding???
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Re: Princess Diana’s dresses [#permalink] New post 24 May 2010, 23:49
ykaiim wrote:
Princess Diana’s dresses set the standard for all fashion houses in Europe. Such a thing didn’t happen before or since.

A) didn’t happen before or
B) had neither happened before or
C) didn’t happen before and hasn’t happened
D) hasn’t happened either before or
E) hadn’t happened before and hasn’t happene



'E' for me too. Such a thing . 'thing refers to princess diana's dresses settng standards. we talking event which never occured in past nor till present. we need past perfect had+past -> before. present perfect has+past->since. 'E' does this. I was confused and about to pick 'D', but either or breaks tense mood. hasn't happened before (wrong) or hasn't happned since (right). I could have fallen in 'B' 's trap if they had written, such a thing had neither happened before or happened since. 'C' is nonsense
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Re: Princess Diana’s dresses [#permalink] New post 25 May 2010, 02:25
It's important to remember that every verb gets its own tense. The word "before" (meaning a before a point in the past) requires the past perfect (past of the past-- had + V3), and the word "since" requires the present perfect (past + present-- have/has+V3). So you need both verbs here, each in its own tense. Thus, the answer is E.
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Re: Princess Diana’s dresses [#permalink] New post 25 May 2010, 22:32
Disagree,
We do often use the phrase "that never happened before." Unless there is clear indication that we need to use past perfect, one can not jump to past perfect from present tense.
In this sentence, I do not see any indication that we are referring to past tense in the second sentence. I although thought the answer C is awkward, I gave preference to it over answer E.
I do not know why OA is E.
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"We often use..." is not a trust-worthy explanation. There is quite clear indication that the past perfect is needed.

"Did not happen" is the past simple, which is the appropriate tense for events that occurred at a specific point in time in the past.

The second sentence seems to indicate two periods of time (hence the 'and): 1) the period before Diana set (in the past) the standard, and 2) the period since Diana set the standard.
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Re: Princess Diana’s dresses [#permalink] New post 27 May 2010, 11:51
Dear SaraiGMAXonline,
After your second explanation, I got it. Now, I clearly see three time periods in the sentence. Thank your for explanation.
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Re: Princess Diana’s dresses [#permalink] New post 13 Jun 2010, 10:32
Is'nt C better than E. I think we should use simple past here ( didn't happen) rather than past perfect ( hadn't happened ). What is the need to use past perfect?
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Re: Princess Diana’s dresses [#permalink] New post 11 Jul 2010, 05:27
The answer is d because it is present perfect tense it has begin in the past and continuing in the present
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Re: Princess Diana’s dresses [#permalink] New post 11 Jul 2010, 11:04
There's quite a debate here. I chose C.
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Re: Princess Dianas dresses set the standard for all fashion [#permalink] New post 31 Oct 2012, 06:58
Good answers here all the guys have given and i also think that if want to speak correct English then we should have to know the all rules of it.
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