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Q. Because fish look through water, their eyes are very different from a mammal.

A. From a mammal
B. from a mammal's
C. from that of a mammal
D. than that of a mammal
E. than is a mammal's

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Re: Q. Because fish look throguh water, their eyes are very [#permalink] New post 14 Apr 2010, 21:49
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Q. Because fish look through water, their eyes are very different from a mammal.

a. From a mammal
b. from a mammal's
c. from that of a mammal
d. than that of a mammal
e. than is a mammal's

OA:
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hi,
if we see the choices, we can narrow down upon B and C.
out of these two, C seems a bit wordy and the same thing is conveyed by B.
so B should be the answer.
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Re: Q. Because fish look throguh water, their eyes are very [#permalink] New post 15 Apr 2010, 05:03
should be (B)

eyes of fish are different from the eyes of a mammal.....which is same as....eyes of fish are different from a mammal's
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Because fish look throguh water, their eyes are very different from a mammal.

a. From a mammal
b. from a mammal's
c. from that of a mammal
d. than that of a mammal
e. than is a mammal's

Some thoughts:
1. Their eyes are different from mammal eyes.
=> "Their eyes" is parallel to "mammal eyes".
Mammal's =mammal eyes.

2. "Their eyes" is plural. There are two eyes. So, "that of a mammal" should be "those of a mammal".


Answer is clearly B.
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Re: Q. Because fish look throguh water, their eyes are very [#permalink] New post 17 Apr 2010, 06:35
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Because fish look throguh water, their eyes are very different from a mammal.

a. From a mammal
b. from a mammal's
c. from that of a mammal
d. than that of a mammal
e. than is a mammal's

Some thoughts:
1. Their eyes are different from mammal eyes.
=> "Their eyes" is parallel to "mammal eyes".
Mammal's =mammal eyes.

2. "Their eyes" is plural. There are two eyes. So, "that of a mammal" should be "those of a mammal".


Answer is clearly B.


good explanation, plural those of clarifies issues, but i think "from that" or "from those of"
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Re: Q. Because fish look throguh water, their eyes are very [#permalink] New post 07 Oct 2012, 05:24
I need to understand vvhat is vvrong vvith D

can anyone explain D please
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Re: Q. Because fish look throguh water, their eyes are very [#permalink] New post 04 Jun 2014, 00:26
Hello,

Can you please help with this:

Because fish look through water, their eyes are very different from a mammal.

A. from a mammal
B. from a mammal’s
C. from that of a mammal
D. than that of a mammal
E. than is a mammal’s.

The OA is
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B
. I am wondering if
[Reveal] Spoiler:
B
should be read as "from (those) of a mammal's". Should we be using "those" here instead of "that" since "those" refers to the eyes of the mammal whereas "that" will refer to the eyes of the fish? Thanks a lot for your help.

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Re: Q. Because fish look throguh water, their eyes are very [#permalink] New post 04 Jun 2014, 00:41
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Hello,

Can you please help with this:

Because fish look through water, their eyes are very different from a mammal.

A. from a mammal
B. from a mammal’s
C. from that of a mammal
D. than that of a mammal
E. than is a mammal’s.

The OA is
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. I am wondering if
[Reveal] Spoiler:
B
should be read as "from (those) of a mammal's". Should we be using "those" here instead of "that" since "those" refers to the eyes of the mammal whereas "that" will refer to the eyes of the fish? Thanks a lot for your help.

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Re: Q. Because fish look throguh water, their eyes are very [#permalink] New post 04 Jun 2014, 09:29
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Can you please help with this:

Because fish look through water, their eyes are very different from a mammal.

A. from a mammal
B. from a mammal’s
C. from that of a mammal
D. than that of a mammal
E. than is a mammal’s.

The OA is (B). I am wondering if (C) should be read as "from (those) of a mammal's". Should we be using "those" here instead of "that" since "those" refers to the eyes of the mammal whereas "that" will refer to the eyes of the fish? Thanks a lot for your help.

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Dear gmattesttaker2,
I'm happy to respond to your private message. :-)

You are correct. Right now, in its current form, (C) is wrong because it seems to imply that, as a general rule, mammals have only one eye. Changing this to "from those of a mammal" would be 100% correct.

Notice that (B) is correct because, among other things, the possessive leaves open the number of eyes, so this is completely consistent with the correct number of eyes. As usual, this is another brilliant question from GMAC.

Also, notice what you have is quite wrong: it is ALWAYS wrong to use the possessive inside an "of" preposition for the same possessor. That is redundant and wrong.
correct: "those of a mammal"
incorrect: "those of a mammal's"

Does all this make sense?
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Re: Q. Because fish look throguh water, their eyes are very [#permalink] New post 04 Jun 2014, 12:50
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Because fish look through water, their eyes are very different from a mammal.

A. from a mammal
B. from a mammal’s
C. from that of a mammal
D. than that of a mammal
E. than is a mammal’s.

Dear gmattesttaker2,
I'm happy to respond to your private message. :-)

You are correct. Right now, in its current form, (C) is wrong because it seems to imply that, as a general rule, mammals have only one eye. Changing this to "from those of a mammal" would be 100% correct.

Notice that (B) is correct because, among other things, the possessive leaves open the number of eyes, so this is completely consistent with the correct number of eyes. As usual, this is another brilliant question from GMAC.

Also, notice what you have is quite wrong: it is ALWAYS wrong to use the possessive inside an "of" preposition for the same possessor. That is redundant and wrong.
correct: "those of a mammal"
incorrect: "those of a mammal's"

Does all this make sense?
Mike :-)


I think comparison provided in option B is not correct, because mammal's leaves comparison ambiguous.

what is mammal's ? eyes or teeth or ears...

I remember I have seen discussion on such similar comparison on some thread earlier.
Tom's shoes are better than John's ... such similar sentence was discussed and it was considered incorrect because of vague nature of 's; comparison is not definitive.
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Re: Q. Because fish look throguh water, their eyes are very [#permalink] New post 04 Jun 2014, 14:22
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I think comparison provided in option B is not correct, because mammal's leaves comparison ambiguous.

what is mammal's ? eyes or teeth or ears...

I remember I have seen discussion on such similar comparison on some thread earlier.
Tom's shoes are better than John's ... such similar sentence was discussed and it was considered incorrect because of vague nature of 's; comparison is not definitive.

Dear PiyushK,
My friend, I don't know who was in those discussions, but with all due respect, the conclusion reached in those discussion was flatly incorrect.

The comparisons:
Because fish look through water, their eyes are very different from a mammal's.
Tom's shoes are better than John's.
Brazil's economy is larger than India's.

are all 100% correct and 100% unambiguous. The second is an informal subject, but the first or third could be correct on the GMAT. In fact, the first WAS correct on the GMAT, in the paper test days. That alone should be proof that this is 100% acceptable by GMAT standards.

Because of parallelism, the second object is 100% clear. Remember: comparisons are a special case of parallelism.

Does all this make sense?
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Re: Q. Because fish look throguh water, their eyes are very [#permalink] New post 05 Jun 2014, 03:07
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PiyushK wrote:
I think comparison provided in option B is not correct, because mammal's leaves comparison ambiguous.

what is mammal's ? eyes or teeth or ears...

I remember I have seen discussion on such similar comparison on some thread earlier.
Tom's shoes are better than John's ... such similar sentence was discussed and it was considered incorrect because of vague nature of 's; comparison is not definitive.

Dear PiyushK,
My friend, I don't know who was in those discussions, but with all due respect, the conclusion reached in those discussion was flatly incorrect.

The comparisons:
Because fish look through water, their eyes are very different from a mammal's.
Tom's shoes are better than John's.
Brazil's economy is larger than India's.

are all 100% correct and 100% unambiguous. The second is an informal subject, but the first or third could be correct on the GMAT. In fact, the first WAS correct on the GMAT, in the paper test days. That alone should be proof that this is 100% acceptable by GMAT standards.

Because of parallelism, the second object is 100% clear. Remember: comparisons are a special case of parallelism.

Does all this make sense?
Mike :-)


Thanks Mike,
I was under impression that such comparison is wrong.
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Re: Q. Because fish look throguh water, their eyes are very [#permalink] New post 15 Jun 2014, 06:59
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Q. Because fish look throguh water, their eyes are very different from a mammal.

a. From a mammal
b. from a mammal's
c. from that of a mammal
d. than that of a mammal
e. than is a mammal's

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Q. Because fish look throguh water, their eyes are very different from a mammal.

a. From a mammal eyes were compared to mamal, parallel issue
b. from a mammal's
c. from that of a mammal eyes are plural, should use 'those' instead
d. than that of a mammal idiom error, different from is preferred over different than
e. than is a mammal's subject-verb, eyes are plural, 'is' is grammatically wrong, also 'than' as idiom error
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Re: Q. Because fish look throguh water, their eyes are very [#permalink] New post 10 Jun 2015, 02:15
Sorry to open an old thread but I had a concern.

From the reference of the question ("their eyes"), we know that "fish" is taken as a plural. So shouldn't we compare plural with plural - in other words, fish (a plural) with mammals (a plural). In this sense shouldn't Choice B read as:

from mammals'

*instead of*

from a mammal's ?
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Re: Q. Because fish look throguh water, their eyes are very [#permalink] New post 10 Jun 2015, 09:18
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Sorry to open an old thread but I had a concern.

From the reference of the question ("their eyes"), we know that "fish" is taken as a plural. So shouldn't we compare plural with plural - in other words, fish (a plural) with mammals (a plural). In this sense shouldn't Choice B read as:

from mammals'

*instead of*

from a mammal's?

Dear AmoyV,
My friend, I am happy to respond. :-) First of all, there's no problem opening an old thread if you have a new question about it: that's exactly the correct thing to do. The mistake people, at least newbies, often make on GC is to open a brand new thread for a question that has already been posted multiple times. What you did is exemplary and requires no apology. :-)

Here's the question again:
Q. Because fish look through water, their eyes are very different from a mammal.
A. from a mammal
B. from a mammal's
C. from that of a mammal
D. than that of a mammal
E. than is a mammal's


Here's a funny thing about comparisons. We absolutely need to compare like to like. The prompt sentence is obviously incorrect, because it doesn't make logical sense to compare an eye to a whole animal. We have to compare like to like, BUT (and this is a big "BUT'), the two terms of the comparison don't have to match in every last detail. Singular to plural is fine when we are talking about animals.

Part of this is the scientific idiom in English. When we say "the eye of a mammal," we are talking about a common structure shared by a large number of different species. The phrase is what we might call "implicitly plural" (my made-up term) even though it is explicitly grammatically singular. Making this explicitly plural ("the eyes of mammals") sounds a bit awkward: it's not what is common in scientific analysis of the natural world.

Part of this also is that when some students learn the matching patterns of parallelism and comparisons, they go overboard and get rigid about matching things down to the tiniest detail. This is too much. For example, it's perfectly correct to have verbs in parallel that have different tenses:
http://magoosh.com/gmat/2012/gmat-gramm ... rb-tenses/
There's always a danger of getting too mathematical and rule-based about grammar. Language is living, and you have to develop a feel for the living language.

Does all this make sense?
Mike :-)
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Re: Q. Because fish look throguh water, their eyes are very [#permalink] New post 13 Jun 2015, 23:08
Thanks mikemcgarry. That helped immensely. :)
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