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# 2009 USNews MBA Rankings

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28 Mar 2008, 09:54
haha kwam, you do have too much time at work.

interesting. though those specialty rankings are a bit funky... Haas seems to be ranked too *high* on some of them (finance and marketing) and too low on others (entrepreneurship - behind USC and Indiana?!). But yeah, it's all subjective, so it's fun to do different methods of ranking. My rankings go like this:

Average temperature in January:
1. UCLA
2. Haas
3. MIT
4. Chicago
4. Kellogg

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28 Mar 2008, 09:57
Kwam - looks like you accidentally left UWFoster off that chart.

Also could have put up this chart:
Average coffee houses per capita:
2-tie)U of Washington Foster
2-tie)Seattle Pacific U
2-tie)Seattle U

Speaking of which , Foster was dropped to 34 from 29th this year on USNews. I suppose that because of this I will skip my MBA and go crawling back to my deadend job.
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28 Mar 2008, 10:21
westsider, you should go to the B-school life forum and talk to the guy who got into Foster... I can't remember his screen name...

oh yeah, GMATT73 or something like that... he has a waterfall for the avatar.
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28 Mar 2008, 10:24
yeah, I know of him =) (that was a joke about skipping b-school over the rankings change!)
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28 Mar 2008, 10:45
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yeah, I know of him =) (that was a joke about skipping b-school over the rankings change!)

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28 Mar 2008, 12:42
Yeah, I have been surprised by some people's reactions to the newest rankings. I can understand some annoyance or frustration associated with seeing your school drop a bit in the rankings, but I cannot understand seriously considering not attending. It's the same school as it was the day before the rankings.

Also, I would seriously question whether businesses even take a look at these rankings to decide where they are going to recruit. Most recruiting is done at the same schools companies have always frequented because they have some kind of connection or history with the school. For example, GE will still recruit students at Notre Dame whether they are 25th (a general idea of where they would have been last year, had they submitted the correct data) or 34th (this year).
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28 Mar 2008, 13:29
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I think the most honest comment most of us can make about the rankings is something like this:
1)They do matter to us. After all, basically no one here is applying to an unranked school.
2)They are quite fallible.
3)A school ranked at #4 isn't necessarily better than one ranked at #7 for an individual's goals, or even in general
4)A school ranked at #4 will in *most cases* be "better" (in that it will open more doors, higher salaries, etc) than a school ranked #40
5)The statement above is NOT ALWAYS true, but a safe assumption for the average case
6)The ratings creators have incentive to move them (aka "jiggle") them yearly to sell more copies of their publications
7)When our favorite school jiggles up by a couple of rankings, we "honestly believe" it is a meaningful move and that the school is now better than those it passed
8)When our favorite school jiggles down by a couple of rankings, we "honestly believe" it is just statistical fluff brought on by #6 above, and really not meaningful

Personally I think someone should put the part-time mba at CSU-Stanislaus (http://www.extendeded.com/emba/) as the #1 program- ahead of all the full time programs at stanford/harvard etc. due to their strength in "cow tipping management". THAT would sell magazines.
(I grew up in modesto, and CSUS was our closest 4-year uni. Yes, people DO go cow tipping there. No, that is not actually an MBA specialty)
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28 Mar 2008, 13:30
Just saw this in their emba site - as if it applies to their program:
"According to a recent survey published by the Financial Times, EMBA graduates reported up to a 70% increase in their salaries and more significantly, those increased salaries typically applied to the same employers."
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28 Mar 2008, 13:49
I agree with whoever said that the BW forums pose a bad taste in your mouth of what the general MBA student body will be like whichever school you go. I mean, imagine dealing with attitudes like that for 2 years! Group projects will suck.

Sometimes, I wish to I applied to a MS in economics program instead, where you might be able to avoid people like this.
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28 Mar 2008, 13:56
kryzak wrote:
Average chance of very destructive natural disaster.
1. UCLA (earthquake, forest fires, and landslides)
2. Haas (earthquakes)
3. MIT (blizzards and hurricanes)
4. Chicago (blizzards)
4. Kellogg (blizzards)

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28 Mar 2008, 14:00
kudos westsider for a very funny and informative post!
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28 Mar 2008, 14:10
and who is this rankingsgod guy, this guy lurks and lurks and just comes out blastin with tirade after tirade. Don't these people work?
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28 Mar 2008, 14:13
Rumor has it rankingsgod is a chicago gsb alum. There is a classmate of his who has called him out, I think they figured it out via ip address. I guess he was a slimeball at school too.
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28 Mar 2008, 14:18
riverripper wrote:
kryzak wrote:
Average chance of very destructive natural disaster.
1. UCLA (earthquake, forest fires, and landslides)
2. Haas (earthquakes)
3. MIT (blizzards and hurricanes)
4. Chicago (blizzards)
4. Kellogg (blizzards)

fixed it for you

LOL! Brilliant! At least we get it over in one fell swoop instead of months of protracted pain every year.

BTW, Haas is RIGHT on the Hayward Fault, which is due to go off any time now (average intervals, 140 years. The last major earthquake, you guessed it, 140 years ago this October). Lovely...

It was good knowing y'all here...

BTW, someone choke rankingsgod for me, please...
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28 Mar 2008, 14:23
Congrats to all going to Haas by the way. I went there for undergrad but the MBA's always seemed to be having much more fun. For Friday afternoon happy hours, the Bear's Lair is the best! Head straight over there after class!
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28 Mar 2008, 15:00
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I think the most honest comment most of us can make about the rankings is something like this:
1)They do matter to us. After all, basically no one here is applying to an unranked school.
2)They are quite fallible.
3)A school ranked at #4 isn't necessarily better than one ranked at #7 for an individual's goals, or even in general
4)A school ranked at #4 will in *most cases* be "better" (in that it will open more doors, higher salaries, etc) than a school ranked #40
5)The statement above is NOT ALWAYS true, but a safe assumption for the average case
6)The ratings creators have incentive to move them (aka "jiggle") them yearly to sell more copies of their publications
7)When our favorite school jiggles up by a couple of rankings, we "honestly believe" it is a meaningful move and that the school is now better than those it passed
8)When our favorite school jiggles down by a couple of rankings, we "honestly believe" it is just statistical fluff brought on by #6 above, and really not meaningful

I agree with a lot of your thoughts West. For me the 'perceived' rankings are much more important than the US News, FT, or WSJ rankings. Pretty much anyone you talk to thinks HBS is #1, Stanford #2, Wharton #3, etc... The perception that HBS is #1 is all that matters. Plus, IMHO, it takes 10, 15, 20 years or more for a school to really change its perception. If they jump to number 2 this year, I want to see it repeated for 15 years and then maybe people will step back and say...ok, ok, school X really is an ultrelite school.

My other favorite ranking is the 'wow' factor ranking. For instance, I meet this incredibly hot girl that I have been dating's parents for the first time...I tell them I went to Harvard or some other 'wow' school (read M7)...and the girl's father is like, WOW!!! that's so great, here, take the keys to my daughter’s chastity belt!!! I'm thinking, Score!, but why do you still have the keys?

Life is good...

Glad I didn't go to an 'elite' school, the guy might have just kicked me in the junk

Just joking about the 'elite' school thing of course
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28 Mar 2008, 22:58
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UCLA made quite a LARGE jump. Anyone have an idea what the catalysts were that drove this spike?

It looks like we "fixed" what broke to cause the corresponding drop last year. The career center went through some major improvements.
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29 Mar 2008, 01:25
good work socalconsult! I'm very glad to see the jump in rankings for UCLA. It's a great school with great people.
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29 Mar 2008, 02:22
its funny that most forums or most people I talk to keep saying that at the end of the day the rankings really dont matter that much. Well if it is so then why is it the most contentious thing. Why does it generate so much interest for so many of us. I mean on every forum, the thread which has something to do with rankings is the most active. That tells me something:
Although we would like to believe that rankings dont really matter, we know that deep down, for most of us it does matter!!!
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29 Mar 2008, 03:26
I noticed that current students care a lot less about rankings than applicants like us do. I think once you get into a school and are attending there, you have a lot more to worry about than the rankings.
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