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Tweaking the methodology to fix the rankings and schools jumping 15-20 spots just makes all of these rankings look plainly ridiculous.

I actually don't care that USNEWS teaks the methodology to present a ranking that matches their subjective ranking. The thing is that there are just too many factors to rank a school (if you can do so at all). School rankings can never be completely objective. So any ranking system that tries to be completely objective in ranking schools is going to fail. FT, WSJ, Economist, Forbes and Businessweek .. all seem silly at some point or the other.

And I actually like the fact that USNEWS seems to be moving to a Hjort's-like clustering system. That is a more logical way of ranking/grouping schools.
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If you look at it that way, Tuck and Haas are at no.4. :) yeeeesss... :)
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Alright out of curiosity to see if I could break the ties I did a little fun with numbers and excel. I used their criteria and weighting, but used the real numbers with no adjusting for overall score.

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#1 HBS (won purely on the basis of employment)
#2 Stanford (most selective obviously)

#4 Kellogg (won surveys and employment due to employment rates)
#5 GSB (won selectivity, 2nd in employment but third in surveys)
#6 MIT (employment %'s and GMAT cost it 5 to GSB)

#7 Tuck (employment stats dominated Haas)
#8 Haas (won surveys and selectivity but lost the war)

#14 Cornell (stronger survey returns than Darden to win it)
#15 Darden (won employment)
#16 Duke (employment stats bombed or Duke would have been #14)
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Tweaking the methodology to fix the rankings and schools jumping 15-20 spots just makes all of these rankings look plainly ridiculous.

I actually don't care that USNEWS teaks the methodology to present a ranking that matches their subjective ranking. The thing is that there are just too many factors to rank a school (if you can do so at all). School rankings can never be completely objective. So any ranking system that tries to be completely objective in ranking schools is going to fail. FT, WSJ, Economist, Forbes and Businessweek .. all seem silly at some point or the other.

And I actually like the fact that USNEWS seems to be moving to a Hjort's-like clustering system. That is a more logical way of ranking/grouping schools.

If you look at it that way, Tuck and Haas are at no.4. :) yeeeesss... :)
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It was very funny to see that USNEWS is as confused to pick a side between Haas and Tuck as you are :lol:
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I am assuming that GSB's acceptance rate is an error- they probably switched K and Chic's.
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They probably did get it misprinted. I would say that is about where both schools lie though.
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If you look at it that way, Tuck and Haas are at no.4. :) yeeeesss... :)

It was very funny to see that USNEWS is as confused to pick a side between Haas and Tuck as you are :lol:
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Yep, maybe they should join me at the admit weekends. ;)
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Popular thread! My top-3 schools didn't change significantly. i suspect that Vandy saw this coming as they seemed to be VERY generous this year with scholarships to gmatclubbers. No doubt trying to attract the best! I saw the dean speak back in january and he mentioned the uni was giving "what it takes" to get the school to the top.
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It's odd looking at the average starting salaries at schools like Vandy and Rice. They really are out of place in their peer range. Rice = $101,529 and is ranked #40? Vandy = $104,032 and is ranked #44? Vandy is ranked along with UC Irvine yet commands a $24K higher average starting salary!?

Weird.
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<sarcasm> Must be the low cost of living in the Irvine Area</sarcasm>
(I did BS/MS at UC Irvine)
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It looks like not much has changed from last year. I AM surprised that Columbia dropped to #9...they seem to have strong employment numbers and really good yield.
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Popular thread! My top-3 schools didn't change significantly. i suspect that Vandy saw this coming as they seemed to be VERY generous this year with scholarships to gmatclubbers. No doubt trying to attract the best! I saw the dean speak back in january and he mentioned the uni was giving "what it takes" to get the school to the top.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngKKnmDFbug
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It looks like not much has changed from last year. I AM surprised that Columbia dropped to #9...they seem to have strong employment numbers and really good yield.
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Columbia was #9 last year as well.

https://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/r ... _brief.php
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Haha, good catch. For some reason, I thought they were #7. I withdraw my statement. Either way, why are they lower than the others in the "M7"?

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It looks like not much has changed from last year. I AM surprised that Columbia dropped to #9...they seem to have strong employment numbers and really good yield.

Columbia was #9 last year as well.

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Popular thread! My top-3 schools didn't change significantly. i suspect that Vandy saw this coming as they seemed to be VERY generous this year with scholarships to gmatclubbers. No doubt trying to attract the best! I saw the dean speak back in january and he mentioned the uni was giving "what it takes" to get the school to the top.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngKKnmDFbug
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ROFL!!! Wow... that was awesome.
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BWAHAHAA!!!! As a Vandy (under)grad, I gotta say I love this.
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The salaries are only a small fraction of the ranking (14%) so a school can do very well there but poor in some other areas and really hurt their standings. I am not sure how accurate the rankings are beyond the top 20.
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Popular thread! My top-3 schools didn't change significantly. i suspect that Vandy saw this coming as they seemed to be VERY generous this year with scholarships to gmatclubbers. No doubt trying to attract the best! I saw the dean speak back in january and he mentioned the uni was giving "what it takes" to get the school to the top.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngKKnmDFbug
ROFL!!! Wow... that was awesome.
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the original tea partay is still the best https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTU2He2BIc0
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the original tea partay is still the best https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTU2He2BIc0
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BAHHAHAHA, I have to email my brother about this one. That was one of his ad campaigns. Too funny to see that.
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the original tea partay is still the best https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTU2He2BIc0
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......and west coast repartee.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=qGKVQeU4SXE
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#4 Kellogg (won surveys and employment due to employment rates)
#5 GSB (won selectivity, 2nd in employment but third in surveys)
#6 MIT (employment %'s and GMAT cost it 5 to GSB)

#7 Tuck (employment stats dominated Haas)
#8 Haas (won surveys and selectivity but lost the war)
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I know what you're trying to do river... keeping Kellogg and Haas as far apart as possible. I'm onto you now. :P

But interesting thought is, Haas and Stanford suffer in the employment stats partly because there are a lot more entrepreneurs and "tree-huggers" in those two schools, who do not go the normal MC/Banking route. Haas probably has the lowest percentage of people going the traditional route (MC/IB) compared to most top schools, if you look at the "pie charts" of where people get their first jobs out of school. That alone could hurt the salary and placement stats, as entrepreneurship starts with lower salary and a lot of the CSR/non-profit stuff also pulls it down. Just my 2 cents, and another reason why rankings are not the be all and end all of everything, like mNeo said.

Wow, Duke used to be a perennial top 10... what happened???

CBS is the only M7 school that keeps on using M7... I wonder why. :P
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