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Anthony and Michael sit on the six-member board of directors for company X. If the board is to be split up into 2 three-person subcommittees, what percent of all the possible subcommittees that include Michael also include Anthony?

Anthony and Michael sit on the six-member board of directors for company X. If the board is to be split up into 2 three-person subcommittees, what percent of all the possible subcommittees that include Michael also include Anthony?

A. 20% B. 30% C. 40% D. 50% E. 60%

First approach: Let's take the group with Michael: there is a place for two other members and one of them should be taken by Anthony, as there are total of 5 people left, hence there is probability of 2/5=40%.

Second approach: Again in Michael's group 2 places are left, # of selections of 2 out of 5 5C2=10 - total # of outcomes. Select Anthony - 1C1=1, select any third member out of 4 - 4C1=4, total # =1C1*4C1=4 - total # of winning outcomes. P=# of winning outcomes/# of outcomes=4/10=40%

Third approach: Michael's group: Select Anthony as a second member out of 5 - 1/5 and any other as a third one out of 4 left 4/4, total=1/5*4/4=1/5; Select any member but Anthony as second member out of 5 - 4/5 and Anthony as a third out of 4 left 1/4, total=4/5*1/4=1/5; Sum=1/5+1/5=2/5=40%

Fourth approach: Total # of splitting group of 6 into two groups of 3: 6C3*3C3/2!=10 # of groups with Michael and Anthony: 1C1*1C1*4C1=4 P=4/10=40%

Thanks. Just a question: I noticed that you responded very quickly to my posts. Which I thank you for. But I am wondering if it's ok that I post questions that have been obviously posted before. If it's a problem then please tell me how can I check whether a question is already on the forum or not. Thanks.

Thanks. Just a question: I noticed that you responded very quickly to my posts. Which I thank you for. But I am wondering if it's ok that I post questions that have been obviously posted before. If it's a problem then please tell me how can I check whether a question is already on the forum or not. Thanks.

Generally it's a good idea to do the search before posting, for example I would search in PS subforum (there is a search field above the topics) for the word "Anthony", don't think that there are many questions with this name. Though it's not a probelm to post a question that was posted before: if moderators find previous discussions they will merge the topics, copy the solution from there or give a link to it. _________________

Bunuel, A question just came to my mind concerning the second approach of the solution that you proposed:

total # of winning outcomes Select Anthony: 1C1=1, select any third member out of 4: 4C1=4, total # =1C1*4C1=4

If we say 1C1*4C1 don't we assume that the winning can be either (Anthony,Third member) or (Third member, Anthony) but not both ? shouldn't we multiply 1C1*4C1 by 2 to get the total number of possible combinations ?

Bunuel, A question just came to my mind concerning the second approach of the solution that you proposed:

total # of winning outcomes Select Anthony: 1C1=1, select any third member out of 4: 4C1=4, total # =1C1*4C1=4

If we say 1C1*4C1 don't we assume that the winning can be either (Anthony,Third member) or (Third member, Anthony) but not both ? shouldn't we multiply 1C1*4C1 by 2 to get the total number of possible combinations ?

We are counting # of committees with Anthony and Michael:

{M,A,1}; {M,A,2}; {M,A,3}; {M,A,4}.

Here {M,A,1} is the same committee as {M,1,A}. _________________

Bunuel, can you advise why do we have to divide 6C3 * 3C3 by 2!, in the fourth approach ?

We are dividing by 2! (factorial of the # of groups) because the order of the groups is not important (we don't have the group #1 and the group #2) and we need to get rid of the duplications.

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Barkatis wrote:

Anthony and Michael sit on the six-member board of directors for company X. If the board is to be split up into 2 three-person subcommittees, what percent of all the possible subcommittees that include Michael also include Anthony?

A. 20% B. 30% C. 40% D. 50% E. 60%

Here is my approach:

I first counted the possible creation of 2 subcommittees without restriction: \(\frac{6!}{3!3!}* \frac{3!}{3!}= 20\) Then, I now proceed to counting the number of ways to create committee with Michael and Anthony together.

M A _ + _ _ _ = \(\frac{4!}{1!3!} * \frac{1!}{1!} = 4\)

MA could be in group#1 or group#2. Thus, \(=4*2 = 8\)

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Re: Anthony and Michael sit on the six-member board of directors [#permalink]

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Bunuel wrote:

Barkatis wrote:

Anthony and Michael sit on the six-member board of directors for company X. If the board is to be split up into 2 three-person subcommittees, what percent of all the possible subcommittees that include Michael also include Anthony?

A. 20% B. 30% C. 40% D. 50% E. 60%

First approach: Let's take the group with Michael: there is a place for two other members and one of them should be taken by Anthony, as there are total of 5 people left, hence there is probability of 2/5=40%.

Second approach: Again in Michael's group 2 places are left, # of selections of 2 out of 5 5C2=10 - total # of outcomes. Select Anthony - 1C1=1, select any third member out of 4 - 4C1=4, total # =1C1*4C1=4 - total # of winning outcomes. P=# of winning outcomes/# of outcomes=4/10=40%

Third approach: Michael's group: Select Anthony as a second member out of 5 - 1/5 and any other as a third one out of 4 left 4/4, total=1/5*4/4=1/5; Select any member but Anthony as second member out of 5 - 4/5 and Anthony as a third out of 4 left 1/4, total=4/5*1/4=1/5; Sum=1/5+1/5=2/5=40%

Fourth approach: Total # of splitting group of 6 into two groups of 3: 6C3*3C3/2!=10 # of groups with Michael and Anthony: 1C1*1C1*4C1=4 P=4/10=40%

Answer: C.

Hope it helps.

Bunuel, my question is for your fourth approach: Why don't we have to divide "# of groups with Michael and Anthony: 1C1*1C1*4C1=4" by 2! anymore?

To expound.

For total # of groups: 6C3 to choose 3 people for first group. 3C3 to choose 3 people for second group.

(6C3)(3C3)/2! divide by 2! as order is not important.

For # groups with Michael and Anthony:

1C1 to choose 1st person for group 1, 1C1 to choose 2nd person for group 1, 4C1 to choose 3rd person for group 1 = 4 3C3 to choose 3 people for second group.

(1C1)(1C1)(4C1)(3C3) <-- how come we no longer need to divide this by 2! ?

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Hi!

Just a question here.

Number of ways to Divide 3 people out of 6 are- 6C3= 20 Ways Number of ways by which 1st member is Michal, 2nd is Anthony and 3rd is anyone from remaining four are- 1X1X4= 4 ways So probability= number of desired events/number of total events *100= 4/20*100= 20% This is the probability of Michal and Anthony being present in group 1. Group 2 will also have the same probability of 20%. So total probability is 20+20=40%

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Lampard and Terry sit on the six member board of directors for company X. If the board is to be split up into 2 three - person subcommittees, what percent of all the possible subcommittees that include Terry also include Lampard?

a. 20 b. 30 c. 40 d. 50 e. 60 _________________

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Lampard and Terry sit on the six member board of directors for company X. If the board is to be split up into 2 three - person subcommittees, what percent of all the possible subcommittees that include Terry also include Lampard?

a. 20 b. 30 c. 40 d. 50 e. 60

All Possible Subcommittees that has terry in it = T _ _ --> 5c2 = 10 Possible subcommittees that include Terry also include Lampard --> T L _ --> 4c1 = 4

Percentage = ( 4 /10 ) * 100 = 40

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VenoMfTw wrote:

Lampard and Terry sit on the six member board of directors for company X. If the board is to be split up into 2 three - person subcommittees, what percent of all the possible subcommittees that include Terry also include Lampard?

a. 20 b. 30 c. 40 d. 50 e. 60

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Re: Anthony and Michael sit on the six-member board of directors [#permalink]

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07 Oct 2015, 08:11

I want to put my approach out there too. Bunuel, please vet this if you can.

So, the total combinations of making a 3 group out of 6 members: 20.

there are 2 subcommittees. So say, 1st group has Micheal and Anthony and 2nd group doesn't; so: M A __(any of 4 remaining members)__ = 4 possibilities Similarly, say 2nd group has Micheal and Anthony and 1st group doesnt; so: M A ___(Any of remaining 4 members)___ = 4 possibilities.

%tage having MA in same group = (4+4)/20 x 100 = 40 % _________________

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Bunuel wrote:

Barkatis wrote:

Anthony and Michael sit on the six-member board of directors for company X. If the board is to be split up into 2 three-person subcommittees, what percent of all the possible subcommittees that include Michael also include Anthony?

A. 20% B. 30% C. 40% D. 50% E. 60%

First approach: Let's take the group with Michael: there is a place for two other members and one of them should be taken by Anthony, as there are total of 5 people left, hence there is probability of 2/5=40%.

Second approach: Again in Michael's group 2 places are left, # of selections of 2 out of 5 5C2=10 - total # of outcomes. Select Anthony - 1C1=1, select any third member out of 4 - 4C1=4, total # =1C1*4C1=4 - total # of winning outcomes. P=# of winning outcomes/# of outcomes=4/10=40%

Third approach: Michael's group: Select Anthony as a second member out of 5 - 1/5 and any other as a third one out of 4 left 4/4, total=1/5*4/4=1/5; Select any member but Anthony as second member out of 5 - 4/5 and Anthony as a third out of 4 left 1/4, total=4/5*1/4=1/5; Sum=1/5+1/5=2/5=40%

Fourth approach: Total # of splitting group of 6 into two groups of 3: 6C3*3C3/2!=10 # of groups with Michael and Anthony: 1C1*1C1*4C1=4 P=4/10=40%

Answer: C.

Hope it helps.

Hi Bunnuel,

On approach 3, are you implying that the order does matter? By calculating the odds of picking Anthony in the second position and anyone else in the third position AND the odds of picking anyone except Anthony in the second position and Anthony in the 3rd position you are basically establishing that the order does matter (whether Anthony is in the second or 3rd position).

Can you clarify? I am sure there is something wronog in my thought process. Thanks.

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Bunuel wrote:

Barkatis wrote:

Anthony and Michael sit on the six-member board of directors for company X. If the board is to be split up into 2 three-person subcommittees, what percent of all the possible subcommittees that include Michael also include Anthony?

A. 20% B. 30% C. 40% D. 50% E. 60%

First approach: Let's take the group with Michael: there is a place for two other members and one of them should be taken by Anthony, as there are total of 5 people left, hence there is probability of 2/5=40%.

Second approach: Again in Michael's group 2 places are left, # of selections of 2 out of 5 5C2=10 - total # of outcomes. Select Anthony - 1C1=1, select any third member out of 4 - 4C1=4, total # =1C1*4C1=4 - total # of winning outcomes. P=# of winning outcomes/# of outcomes=4/10=40%

Third approach: Michael's group: Select Anthony as a second member out of 5 - 1/5 and any other as a third one out of 4 left 4/4, total=1/5*4/4=1/5; Select any member but Anthony as second member out of 5 - 4/5 and Anthony as a third out of 4 left 1/4, total=4/5*1/4=1/5; Sum=1/5+1/5=2/5=40%

Fourth approach: Total # of splitting group of 6 into two groups of 3: 6C3*3C3/2!=10 # of groups with Michael and Anthony: 1C1*1C1*4C1=4 P=4/10=40%

Answer: C.

Hope it helps.

Hi Bunnuel,

On approach 3, are you implying that the order does matter? By calculating the odds of picking Anthony in the second position and anyone else in the third position AND the odds of picking anyone except Anthony in the second position and Anthony in the 3rd position you are basically establishing that the order does matter (whether Anthony is in the second or 3rd position).

Can you clarify? I am sure there is something wronog in my thought process. Thanks.

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No, we know very well that order does not matter when forming groups. Here, you have to form a group/subcommittee so the order in which you pick people is irrelevant. That said, we consider order in method 3 because of the limitations of this particular method. We are using probability. I can find the probability that the "next" guy I pick is Anthony. But how do I find the probability that Anthony is one of the next two guys I pick? For that, I have to use two steps: - The next one is Anthony or - Next to next one is Anthony We add these two probabilities and get the probability that either of the next two guys is Anthony. _________________

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