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230. Critics of the trend toward privately operated prisons consider corrections facilities to be an integral part of the criminal justice system and question if profits should be made from incarceration.
(A) to be an integral part of the criminal justice system and question if
(B) as an integral part of the criminal justice system and they question if
(C) as being an integral part of the criminal justice system and question whether
(D) an integral part of the criminal justice system and question whether
(E) are an integral part of the criminal justice system, and they question whether


Consider X Y and usage of whether ... therefore 'D'
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230. Critics of the trend toward privately operated prisons consider corrections facilities to be an integral part of the criminal justice system and question if profits should be made from incarceration.
(A) to be an integral part of the criminal justice system and question if
(B) as an integral part of the criminal justice system and they question if
(C) as being an integral part of the criminal justice system and question whether
(D) an integral part of the criminal justice system and question whether
(E) are an integral part of the criminal justice system, and they question whether


Consider to be and Consider as - Both are no no in gmat .
E is awkward .

D stands.
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Thanks guys!

indeed "Consider to be" is out

I've found it in the net:
https://gmat-grammar.blogspot.com/2006/0 ... dioms.html
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Ans is D.

This SC is testing the idiom - Consider X Y

‘Consider X as Y’ or Consider ‘X to be Y’ or ‘Consider X are Y’ are NOT the correct usages.

Also GMAT prefers WHETHER over IF when ever a sentence indicates a condition.

As a side note, you are posting the questions in wrong forum. Please post the SC related questions in SC forum.
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Thanks guys!

indeed "Consider to be" is out

I've found it in the net:
https://gmat-grammar.blogspot.com/2006/0 ... dioms.html


Walker... as per me.. the deciding factor could be the usage of 'if' and 'whether'. When ever we try to compare two things, I guess we should use 'whether'. The question here actually does.... whether X ... (or Y part has been left out)

Hence we need to choose among C,D,E.... and among them, D is the best... C is out for the being word.. and E introduces a pronoun they which isnt necessary at all!
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230. Critics of the trend toward privately operated prisons consider corrections facilities to be an integral part of the criminal justice system and question if profits should be made from incarceration.
(A) to be an integral part of the criminal justice system and question if
(B) as an integral part of the criminal justice system and they question if
(C) as being an integral part of the criminal justice system and question whether
(D) an integral part of the criminal justice system and question whether
(E) are an integral part of the criminal justice system, and they question whether


Critics of the trend toward privately operated prisons consider corrections facilities to be an integral part of the criminal justice system and question if profits should be made from incarceration.
(A) to be an integral part of the criminal justice system and question if
(B) as an integral part of the criminal justice system and they question if
(C) as being an integral part of the criminal justice system and question whether
(D) an integral part of the criminal justice system and question whether [Correct]
(E) are an integral part of the criminal justice system, and they question whether
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Clearly consider is followed by below format consider xy
So we are left with option d and e in option e they is ambiguous. Hence option d is the answer.

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Experts, hello!

Within answer choices B and E, is the "they" either (1) ambiguous or (2) break parallelism? I don't think it's ambiguous because neither of the other plural nouns (prisons nor facilities) could question anything, so it would have to be "critics." So would the "they" break parallelism? Or is there something I'm missing?
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Experts, hello!

Within answer choices B and E, is the "they" either (1) ambiguous or (2) break parallelism? I don't think it's ambiguous because neither of the other plural nouns (prisons nor facilities) could question anything, so it would have to be "critics." So would the "they" break parallelism? Or is there something I'm missing?


Hi Sam

In both options (B) and (E), there is an error in the idiomatic usage of "consider". The correct usage is "consider X Y" and not "consider X as Y" (as used in option B) or "consider X are Y" (as used in option E). Therefore, both these options are ruled out.

You are correct that "they" can only possibly refer to critics in these options. However, that being the case, since "critics" are already mentioned earlier, there is no need to use a pronoun "they" to refer to them again. As such, ambiguous antecedent is a very dicey issue on which to rule an option out. We have other errors in both these options because of which we can eliminate them.

Hope this clarifies.
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So would the "they" break parallelism?

Hi samgyupsal, they is not breaking parallelism in B & E.

For example, in B, parallelism is between the following two Independent clauses:

i) Critics of the trend toward privately operated prisons consider corrections facilities as an integral part of the criminal justice system

and

ii) they question if profits should be made from incarceration.

Of course, this option is incorrect because of incorrect idiomatic usage (consider as) and faulty use of if.
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samgyupsal wrote:
So would the "they" break parallelism?

Hi samgyupsal, they is not breaking parallelism in B & E.

For example, in B, parallelism is between the following two Independent clauses:

i) Critics of the trend toward privately operated prisons consider corrections facilities as an integral part of the criminal justice system

and

ii) they question if profits should be made from incarceration.

Of course, this option is incorrect because of incorrect idiomatic usage (consider as) and faulty use of if.


Isn't the parallelism in B incorrect because it's not following the proper parallelism? In D the parallelism would start here: "Critics of the trend toward privately operated prisons (1) consider corrections facilities an integral part of the criminal justice system and (2) question whether profits should be made from incarceration."

B doesn't follow this structure. So thus it breaks the intended parallelism.
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B doesn't follow this structure. So thus it breaks the intended parallelism.

Hi samgyupsal, both the sentences below are correct from parallelism perspective:

i) Peter goes to college and he also goes to sports-academy.
- Parallelism is between two clauses: Peter goes to college and he also goes to sports-academy.

ii) Peter goes to college and also goes to sports-academy.
- Parallelism is between two verbs: Peter goes to college and also goes to sports-academy.
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samgyupsal wrote:
B doesn't follow this structure. So thus it breaks the intended parallelism.

Hi samgyupsal, both the sentences below are correct from parallelism perspective:

i) Peter goes to college and he also goes to sports-academy.
- Parallelism is between two clauses: Peter goes to college and he also goes to sports-academy.

ii) Peter goes to college and also goes to sports-academy.
- Parallelism is between two verbs: Peter goes to college and also goes to sports-academy.


Okay, I see. They say the same thing, but they are said in different ways! Is one inferior to the other? Or are they equal, keeping all else constant?
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Okay, I see. They say the same thing, but they are said in different ways! Is one inferior to the other? Or are they equal, keeping all else constant?

Yes, they are equal. I would definitely not suggest that you choose one over the other (in any case, GMAT would never present you with these two choices).
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OFFICIAL EXPLANATION

When consider means “regard as,” as it does in this sentence, its object should be followed immediately by the phrase that identifies or describes that object. Thus, to be in A, as in B, and as being in C produce unidiomatic constructions in the context of the sentence. Also, although if and whether can be used interchangeably after some verbs, question if, which appears in A and B, is unidiomatic, and they in B is unnecessary. E also contains the unnecessary they, and it uses the ungrammatical construction consider… facilities are. Grammatically and idiomatically sound, D is the best choice.
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I'm trying to perfect my sc accuracy, so here it goes (my take can be inaccurate too so please don't take this as ultimate answer)
Option A: can be eliminated on the basis of redundancy

Option B&E : can be eliminated on the basis of ambiguity ("they" word)

Option C: can be eliminated as it talks as if the current sentence is happening as we speak.(little doubt about this)

that leaves us to option D which is free of all the above, not the perfect one but better compared to the rest.(Any suggestions would be appreciable)

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