|
Author |
Message |
|
TAGS:
|
|
|
Senior Manager
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
Posts: 369
Followers: 1
Kudos [?]:
2
[0], given: 0
|
Question Stats:
0% (00:00) correct
0% (00:00) wrong based on 0 sessions
please show workings
Attachments

0023.jpg [ 5.76 KiB | Viewed 365 times ]
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Current Student
Joined: 28 Dec 2004
Posts: 3439
Location: New York City
Schools: Wharton'11 HBS'12
Followers: 11
Kudos [?]:
134
[0], given: 2
|
D for me
1)
X^2-2X+A >0 for all X (this statement is key)
which implies that for X=0, A is positive.... suff!
2)
AX^2+1>0 for all X
well we know X^2 is positive...the only way (2) can be positive for all X is if A is positive...
|
|
|
|
|
|
Intern
Joined: 17 Mar 2005
Posts: 15
Location: Philadelphia
Followers: 0
Kudos [?]:
0
[0], given: 0
|
C for me
for I if x = 5, then A can be negative or positive for the equation to be greater than zero. Because 15+A>0 hence A can be -14 or greater.
So A and D are out.
for II if x=1/2 then A/4+1>0. Hence A can be -3 or greater to satisfy the equation. So not B
Therefore either C or E. No time left, For me Joe bloggs would think E but i would think there are two equations two variables, i should be able to find the value therefore C
|
|
|
|
|
|
Intern
Joined: 15 Feb 2005
Posts: 23
Followers: 0
Kudos [?]:
0
[0], given: 0
|
coolcal wrote: C for me
for I if x = 5, then A can be negative or positive for the equation to be greater than zero. Because 15+A>0 hence A can be -14 or greater. So A and D are out.
for II if x=1/2 then A/4+1>0. Hence A can be -3 or greater to satisfy the equation. So not B
Therefore either C or E. No time left, For me Joe bloggs would think E but i would think there are two equations two variables, i should be able to find the value therefore C
Joe Bloggs may be right. My answer is E.
Agree with your individual explanations. So the answer has to be either C or E.
Combining I and II,
If x=3,
From I) 9 - 6 +a >0 ==> A > -3
From II) 9A + 1 > 0 ===> A > -(1/9)
As the problem does not say A is an integer, A could be any number greater than -(1/9). So A could be +ve or -ve.
Answer E.
|
|
|
|
|
|
SVP
Joined: 30 Sep 2004
Posts: 1547
Location: Germany
Followers: 4
Kudos [?]:
15
[0], given: 0
|
D)...
1) to be true for ALL x. when you pick x=16 you can choose if A is +ve or -ve. when you pick x=1 you MUST choose for A a +ve number => sufficient
2) same reasonig as above. try x=16 and try x=1 => sufficient
_________________
If your mind can conceive it and your heart can believe it, have faith that you can achieve it.
|
|
|
|
|
|
VP
Joined: 27 Dec 2004
Posts: 1089
Followers: 1
Kudos [?]:
5
[0], given: 0
|
D..for all X means when X is either negative , positive or non integer. I stand corrected on this one.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Intern
Joined: 17 Mar 2005
Posts: 15
Location: Philadelphia
Followers: 0
Kudos [?]:
0
[0], given: 0
|
Christoph/Folaa - please let me know how you think D. I showed with examples earlier that we cannot prove A is either positive or negative conclusively when x = 5 or x = 1/2 so your solution of D is not ringing a bell with me.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Director
Joined: 07 Jun 2004
Posts: 638
Location: PA
Followers: 1
Kudos [?]:
60
[0], given: 22
|
My take on this is
From I
x^2 - 2x + A = Positve
lets take sample value of x
x = 10
100 - 20 + A = Positve
or
80 + A = +ve so A can be - 3.14 or 1547888 it does not matter
I is insufficient
From II
Ax^2 + 1 = +ve
Let x = 1/2
then
A/4 + 1 = +ve Again A can be - 1/8 or 20 it does not matter
II is insufficient
so its C / E
from I and II we cannot co-relate
My answer to this will be E
|
|
|
|
|
|
Current Student
Joined: 28 Dec 2004
Posts: 3439
Location: New York City
Schools: Wharton'11 HBS'12
Followers: 11
Kudos [?]:
134
[0], given: 2
|
guys
the key is the word in the problem stem "for all x"...which included + ve and -ve values...A has to be positive...
if for all X was not mentioned I would have picked E as my answer...
|
|
|
|
|
|
Manager
Joined: 24 Jan 2005
Posts: 220
Location: Boston
Followers: 1
Kudos [?]:
3
[0], given: 0
|
ax^2 + bx+c = y (Say)
The sign of y is same as a if Determinant D <= 0
If on the other hand D > 0 then there are two distinct real roots say p and q (p<q). so for all x <p, y has same sign as a and also for all x>q, y has same sign as a. But for p<x<q the sign of y is opposite to that of a.
Now D = 4-4A in our case. Depending on this value of D we can decide on the sign of the expression.
Neither of the statements 1 or 2 clearly let us decide on the sign of D
So if 4-4A <=0 or if A >=1 then y is +ve, but for 0<A<1 D > 0 so different possibilities.
E
|
|
|
|
|
|
SVP
Joined: 30 Sep 2004
Posts: 1547
Location: Germany
Followers: 4
Kudos [?]:
15
[0], given: 0
|
OA pls
_________________
If your mind can conceive it and your heart can believe it, have faith that you can achieve it.
|
|
|
|
|
|
SVP
Joined: 18 Nov 2004
Posts: 1544
Followers: 2
Kudos [?]:
9
[0], given: 0
|
"A"
state 1...(x-1)^2 + A-1 > 0.....as (x-1)^2 is always > 0...then A-1 > 0...
A> 1...suff
state 2...insuff....A can be < 0 or > 0 and still be able to satisfy.
|
|
|
|
|
|
VP
Joined: 13 Jun 2004
Posts: 1134
Location: London, UK
Schools: Tuck'08
Followers: 5
Kudos [?]:
14
[0], given: 0
|
it's E
the critical values are reached when -1<x<0 , there can be different solutions, just take the value (-1/2):
1) X^2-2X+A >0 -> Let's use (-1/2)
1/4 + 1 + A > 0 ; 5/4 + A > 0
A could be any +ive number or any -ive number from 0 to -5/4 excluded, for example if A=-1 -> 5/4 -1 = 1/4 which is correct (+ive)
2) AX^2+1>0 -> Let's use (-1/2)
A*1/4 + 1 > 0
A could be any +ive number or any -ive number from 0 to -4 excluded, for example if A=-2 , -2*1/4 + 1 = 1/2 which is correct (+ive)
Finally, when X is between -1 and 0, A can be +ive or -ive, hence E
|
|
|
|
|
|
Senior Manager
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
Posts: 447
Location: Cary,NC
Followers: 2
Kudos [?]:
2
[0], given: 0
|
banerjeea_98 wrote: "A"
state 1...(x-1)^2 + A-1 > 0.....as (x-1)^2 is always > 0...then A-1 > 0... A> 1...suff
state 2...insuff....A can be < 0 or > 0 and still be able to satisfy.
I almost fell for the explanation for A being sufficient
1. If (x-1)^2 + a-1 > 0 , a can still be +ve or -ve ,
eg. let (x-1)^2 = 5 , a can be -1 ,-3 or 21 and the expression will still be >0
so A is insufficient.
2. B is also insufficient. ax^2 + 1 > 0
a> -1/x^2 ; let x^2 = 5 implies a > -1/5
so a could be -1/2 or a could be +3.
B is insufficient too.
Ans is C or E. To eliminate one of these, lets add the equations 1 and 2.
x^2 -2x +a >0 - I
ax^2 + 1>0 - II
adding and solving for a we get.
x^2 - 2x + 1 + a + ax^2 > 0
or (x-1)^2 + a (1 + x^2) > 0
or a > - (1+x^2)/(x-1)^2
for any value of X , you will get something like
a > - 3/4
so a could be still +ve or -ve.
Finally ans is E
_________________
ash
________________________
I'm crossing the bridge.........
|
|
|
|
|
|
SVP
Joined: 25 Nov 2004
Posts: 1581
Followers: 4
Kudos [?]:
13
[0], given: 0
|
mirhaque wrote: please show workings
it is definitely a difficult problem. but i go with E.
from i, x^2-2x+a=+ve . it doesnot mean that x must be positive but the whole equation must have positive value. suppose x=1, and the value of the eq is 1 (at least +ve).
x^2-2x+a=1
a =1............ the equation is satisfied.
if x=3, and the value of the eq is 1 (at least +ve).
x^2-2x+a =1
3+a =1
a =-2 ............ the equation is still satisfied but the information given st i is insufficient.
from ii, it is even insufficientsuppose x =1, and ax^2+1=2
a+1=2
a = 1
if x = 3, but ax^2+1=1/5
9a+1=1/5
a = -4/45 so insufficient.
combining also it doesnot give any solution (because i have used the same values in st i and ii). therefore it should be E.
|
|
|
|
|
|
VP
Joined: 26 Apr 2004
Posts: 1255
Location: Taiwan
Followers: 1
Kudos [?]:
7
[0], given: 0
|
mirhaque wrote: please show workings
E it is.
A) if A = (-1), then we still have a positive answer.
B) if A = (-0.5), x^2 =1, then we still have a positive answer.
|
|
|
|
|
|
SVP
Joined: 30 Sep 2004
Posts: 1547
Location: Germany
Followers: 4
Kudos [?]:
15
[0], given: 0
|
i change from D) to A)...
1) there is no chance that the eq is +ve for ALL x (or am i missing something?). how is the eq +ve for x=1 ? => sufficient
2) A can be +ve or -ve for the eq to be +ve => insufficient
_________________
If your mind can conceive it and your heart can believe it, have faith that you can achieve it.
Last edited by christoph on 25 Apr 2005, 13:09, edited 1 time in total.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Senior Manager
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
Posts: 369
Followers: 1
Kudos [?]:
2
[0], given: 0
|
fresinha12 wrote: D for me
1) X^2-2X+A >0 for all X (this statement is key)
which implies that for X=0, A is positive.... suff! 2) AX^2+1>0 for all X
well we know X^2 is positive...the only way (2) can be positive for all X is if A is positive...
Thanks Fresh answer and explanation. OA is D!
|
|
|
|
|
|
VP
Joined: 13 Jun 2004
Posts: 1134
Location: London, UK
Schools: Tuck'08
Followers: 5
Kudos [?]:
14
[0], given: 0
|
mirhaque wrote: fresinha12 wrote: D for me
1) X^2-2X+A >0 for all X (this statement is key)
which implies that for X=0, A is positive.... suff! 2) AX^2+1>0 for all X
well we know X^2 is positive...the only way (2) can be positive for all X is if A is positive... Thanks Fresh answer and explanation. OA is D!
SO TRICKY, I understand ythe meaning of "for all X", it is definitely a greart problem. For example in the first statement it means that you will never consider values of X that will lead to a -ive value when added to A...
Terrific problem
|
|
|
|
|
|
VP
Joined: 26 Apr 2004
Posts: 1255
Location: Taiwan
Followers: 1
Kudos [?]:
7
[0], given: 0
|
(1) x = (2+ (4-4A)^1/2) / 2 and (2 - (4-4A)^1/2) / 2
x =(2 - (4-4A)^1/2) / 2 must be positive, so 0 <A <1
but I disagree with the second condition.
(2)AX^2 + 1 must be positive for all x.
if A=0, AX^2 + 1 will be always positive for all x.
How could D?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|