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# From 630 -> 730 - Mission Accomplished....Detailed Debrief

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12 Jul 2011, 02:25
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13 Jul 2011, 04:57
Does practice LSAT tests help sharpen your CR skill?
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13 Jul 2011, 05:14
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Does practice LSAT tests help sharpen your CR skill?

Yes it does. But you have to be careful with the lsat questions because some question type in LSAT are not tested in GMAT. But for sure, if you tackle LSAT strenghten/assumption/weaken/must be true questions, you will really K.O CR in GMAT
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16 Jul 2011, 07:29
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tracyyahoo wrote:
Does practice LSAT tests help sharpen your CR skill?

Yes it does. But you have to be careful with the lsat questions because some question type in LSAT are not tested in GMAT. But for sure, if you tackle LSAT strenghten/assumption/weaken/must be true questions, you will really K.O CR in GMAT

True, practicing LSAT questions should be helpful but you shouldn't do every question type. For example, on the LSAT a question type called "Find the principle"/"Apply the principle" is tested. The GMAT will rarely test this. LSAT also has a lot of parallel reasoning and Method of argumentation questions. Though these questions are tested on the GMAT but not very often.
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16 Jul 2011, 08:53
I think you had your weak areas covered this time. Awesome! All the best with your Apps!
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17 Jul 2011, 22:21
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I think you had your weak areas covered this time. Awesome! All the best with your Apps!

Thanks. All the best to you too. Hope that you benefit from this great community we have here.
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18 Jul 2011, 23:35
Awesome 100 point jump. Thanks for sharing

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25 Jul 2011, 08:19
Hey shovit,
Did you do the CR from the 1000CR document which is floating around the internet ? Do you think that doing this document is going to be useful. I have two weeks left for the GMAT and want some extra practice for CR as my accuracy is still below mark.
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25 Jul 2011, 08:36
Hi Shovit, can you suggest something for CR practice with explainations other than OG 12 and 11 and verbal guide ??
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25 Jul 2011, 11:28
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Hello everyone

I took the GMAT yesterday and scored a respectable 730 (51/40) . This was my 2nd shot at the test and I'll discuss my strategies at the end of this post; before that here's a quick summary of the books i used and my practice test scores:

Books used:

OGs 10, 11 & 12

SC - MGMAT SC Guide, Aristotle SC Grail, 1000 SCs (did around 300)

CR - Powerscore CR Bible, LSAT questions

RC - Aristotle RC99

Practice Test Scores (over the period Nov. 20th - Dec 14th)

MGMAT 1 - 690
MGMAT 2 - 720
MGMAT 3 - 680
MGMAT 4 - 730
MGMAT 5 - 750
MGMAT 6 - 730
Kaplan Free Test - 750
Princeton Free Test - 710
Knewton Free Test - 720
GMATPrep 1 - 770 (not representative since I remembered a lot of the answers from my earlier attempt)
GMATPrep 2 - 780 (not representative since I remembered a lot of the answers from my earlier attempt)

Detailed Debrief & Strategies:

Background - I had taken the GMAT in Sept 2010 and scored a dismal 630 (50/28). My target score was 700+ so I was definitely going to retake but before that I wanted to make sure I figured out what aspects of the test to approach differently. Quant was never a problem for me and in verbal I was quite comfortable with CR. My two problem areas were SC & RC. In my first attempt my one major weakness had been timing in the verbal section since I could just attempt around 35 questions and guess on the remaining 5-6. Specially in SC I was taking an average of around 2 minutes to get to the answer.

I had primarily used MGMAT SC Guide for my SC prep the first time around and while it is an excellent book in my case it made me too conscious of trying to find out what was wrong with every option. This obviously meant i was taking too much time on SC and combined with my lack of practice in RC, this spelled disaster for me.

SC Strategy - During my 2nd attempt I decided to refer to some other material as well for SC and came across two options on the GMATclub forums- egmat and Aristotle SC Grail . I was on a tight budget having to take the test twice and i had read good things abt the SC Grail book (and it was cheap at \$15 ) so i thought i would give it a try. Turned out to be a great decision 'coz this bok summarizes what the GMAT will test you on in a very crisp manner and provides you with shortcuts to get to the answer in less than a minute. Overall I think MGMAT and SC Grail are more than enough for your SC prep.

CR Strategy - Nothing specific since I never really had any problems in CR. Since I had already finished the OGs in my first attempt, I did a lot of LSAT practice questions though I am not a big fan of these.

RC Strategy - The other problem area for me (and most students) and simply because its too boring and one just doesn't feel like practicing it. But as I have realised the only way to improve RC is by doing as many practice passages as you can, specially the long boring ones. Here I have a major grouse with most test prep companies because they spend pages discussing RC strategy but don't give you enough practice passages. The ones that do (like the OGs) ask too many questions whereas on the GMAT the idea is to skim through the passages since there won't be more than 3-4 questions from each. The only decent practice material i have come across is the RC99 which provides you with 99 boring passages (avg. 3-4 questions each) some of which are really difficult. I religiously did each one of these passages (3 passages a day x 33 days) and this has a numbing effect on you in the sense that i stopped bothering abt the 'boring' part of it and started approaching the questions in a very practical (almost mechanical) manner. Helped me big time and I recommend it to everyone but only if you are willing to do all 99 passages (requires a lot of discipline, specially in the initial stages). If you can do these you won't need anything else for RC believe me.

I spent the last 3-4 weeks only doing full length tests (had bought the Manhattan 6-test package for this and some other free tests). Another mistake that I had made the first time around was not spending enough time analysing the tests; this time i spent more time analysing the tests than taking them and this actually helps specially by revealing trends in the questions that you are getting wrong. For example after 3-4 tests I realised that i was consistently making mistakes on 'Modification' questions in SC so I went back to Manhattan and refreshed my knowledge of Modifiers.

One final word on mental strength - Test day 'nerves' play a major role in pulling down your score as no matter how confident you are the occassion does tend to get to you. Don't know how you can avoid this except to be prepared for it, though this gets better in the 2nd attempt (at least it did for me), probably because you've been there once so you know what to expect.

All in all it turned out well for me in the end . Would love to address any specific queries.

Cheers!

Excellent score dude congratulations!!
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28 Jul 2011, 04:40
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Hi Shovit, can you suggest something for CR practice with explainations other than OG 12 and 11 and verbal guide ??

Although there's a CR document available on the website of aristotle prep, but it doesn't come with solutions.
You may wanna try doing the CR questions from OG10, since it has explanations too!
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28 Jul 2011, 22:47
Congrats!!
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03 Aug 2011, 21:35
Congrats for the wonderful improvement. I had an off track query. Why do some user ids like yours and whiplash's appear in green while the others are plain blue. I have also seen someone called "bb" here whose id is in green ? Is it based on the number of points you secure for posting here on the forum ?
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03 Aug 2011, 23:05
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Congrats for the wonderful improvement. I had an off track query. Why do some user ids like yours and whiplash's appear in green while the others are plain blue. I have also seen someone called "bb" here whose id is in green ? Is it based on the number of points you secure for posting here on the forum ?

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04 Aug 2011, 23:59
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Congrats for the wonderful improvement. I had an off track query. Why do some user ids like yours and whiplash's appear in green while the others are plain blue. I have also seen someone called "bb" here whose id is in green ? Is it based on the number of points you secure for posting here on the forum ?

"bb" is the lord of the gmatclub world.
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06 Aug 2011, 20:32
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hustler22 wrote:
Congrats for the wonderful improvement. I had an off track query. Why do some user ids like yours and whiplash's appear in green while the others are plain blue. I have also seen someone called "bb" here whose id is in green ? Is it based on the number of points you secure for posting here on the forum ?

"bb" is the lord of the gmatclub world.

Oops! I never knew that. Great to see the "lord" commenting on my post. I'm humbled! :D
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13 Aug 2011, 07:43
@shovit
do you by any chance happen to have the access to the Manhattan gmt Cats and if yes can you please oblige me by sharing th sharing the same

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14 Aug 2011, 09:47
Sorry, i don't have access to the manhattangmat cats anymore. And even if i would have had it i would have probably not shared it because doing so is unethical

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16 Aug 2011, 23:47
thanks for sharing your experience! i like the part with the discipline it 's true, as long you are motivated a keep going even if its boring you will do it!!
thanks again!
congrats!!!
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18 Aug 2011, 07:40
supereco87 wrote:
thanks for sharing your experience! i like the part with the discipline it 's true, as long you are motivated a keep going even if its boring you will do it!!
thanks again!
congrats!!!

Yes, discipline is the key to success on the GMAT. If you're able to study consistently and in the right way, then achieving your target score shouldn't be a distant dream. GMAT is no rocket science. When have you kept your G-date ? You seem to be quite active on the forum for the last 1-2 months .
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