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One result of the family's long ordeal at sea was their appreciation that as a person dehydrates, their minds tend to wander.

their appreciation that as a person dehydrates, their
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One result of the family's long ordeal at sea was their appreciation that as a person dehydrates, their minds tend to wander.

their appreciation that as a person dehydrates, their
their appreciation that as people dehydrate, their
to appreciate that when a person dehydrates, his or her
to appreciate that when people dehydrate, their
appreciating that as people dehydrate, their


Could anyone please explain what is their (first one) referring to?


Hi Gaurav1083,

Their is possessive pronoun so its referring family's. I think you are confused with pronoun they which can not refer to noun inside the possessive noun.


A) Subject verb agreement ( Person is singular so can not be referred by their)
B) Leave B.
C) Minds can not be used for a single person so this choice is wrong.
D) Infinitive ( to+ verb) generally used to show intention, For ex to plan, to kill. Result can not show intention so this choice is also not correct.
E) appreciating is showing continuity , result can not be continuous so this choice is wrong.

I hope my explanation will help.

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One result of the family's long ordeal at sea was their appreciation that as a person dehydrates, their minds tend to wander.

their appreciation that as a person dehydrates, their - SV minds - person
their appreciation that as people dehydrate, their - Correct their can be used to explain that every individual in the family appreciated
to appreciate that when a person dehydrates, his or her- SV minds - person
to appreciate that when people dehydrate, their - to + verb is used to present intent of an action
appreciating that as people dehydrate, their - Verb tense error
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I found one post of mikemcgarry on other forum..won't post the name of it here..but here is his explanation. Thanks again Mike for clearing things up for me :)

Hi, there. I'm happy to contribute to this. Smile

First, let's address the pronoun & number difficulties.

"Family" is singular, so use of the pronoun "their" is incorrect. This is a classic GMAT SC mistake --- to use a singular noun (like "family", "company", "crowd", etc.) which implicitly contains a number of people, and then refer to it with a plural pronoun. The GMAT loves this as a mistake pattern. We find this classic mistake pattern in (A) and (B), so they are both right out.

On the other side of the sentence, "minds" is plural, so that requires a plural subject --- not the "his or her" singular subject of (C) --- "his or her minds" is incorrect, so (C) is out.

That leaves (D) and (E).
D: to appreciate that when people dehydrate, their
E: appreciating that as people dehydrate, their

What I find problematic about this question --- there's not a clear black/white grammatical distinction between these two choices. On the GMAT, you will always find something black/white that allows you to determine which of two choices is correct. What we have here is very subtle, more subtle that what I have seen from GMAC. Both "when" and "as" are correct, so the choice is simply between the infinitive "to appreciate" vs. the gerund "appreciating"

To my ear, the predicate following "result" should be an infinitive, not a gerund.

"the result is to do X" --- this sounds idiomatically correct, direct, and clear
"the result is doing X" --- this sounds weaker, less forceful, and awkward

Because of that, I'll say I prefer D as the answer, but I will hasten to add: I don't feel as committed to this answer as I would to an answer in the GMAT itself, because I feel there's not a strong enough black/white distinction among these answer choices.

Fundamentally, I think this is a poorly written question. It's surprising how many low quality sources out there are producing questions for the GMAT, and the unsuspecting public gobbles those questions up. In the next few weeks, Magoosh will publish book reviews of the various GMAT books on the our free blog ---- basically, all sources in print received poor grades except for MGMAT.

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I hope that helps. Please let me know if anyone reading this has any further questions.

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agdimple333 agree with you...B is the answer
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Could anyone please explain what is their (first one) referring to?
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rphardu wrote:
gaurav1083 wrote:

One result of the family's long ordeal at sea was their appreciation that as a person dehydrates, their minds tend to wander.

their appreciation that as a person dehydrates, their
their appreciation that as people dehydrate, their
to appreciate that when a person dehydrates, his or her
to appreciate that when people dehydrate, their
appreciating that as people dehydrate, their


Could anyone please explain what is their (first one) referring to?


Hi Gaurav1083,

Their is possessive pronoun so its referring family's. I think you are confused with pronoun they which can not refer to noun inside the possessive noun.


A) Subject verb agreement ( Person is singular so can not be referred by their)
B) Leave B.
C) Minds can not be used for a single person so this choice is wrong.
D) Infinitive ( to+ verb) generally used to show intention, For ex to plan, to kill. Result can not show intention so this choice is also not correct.
E) appreciating is showing continuity , result can not be continuous so this choice is wrong.

I hope my explanation will help.


Hey rphardu:

family's possessive pronoun should be its.
families' possessive pronoun should be their.

There is some typo in the option, I guess!!!
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rphardu wrote:
gaurav1083 wrote:

One result of the family's long ordeal at sea was their appreciation that as a person dehydrates, their minds tend to wander.

their appreciation that as a person dehydrates, their
their appreciation that as people dehydrate, their
to appreciate that when a person dehydrates, his or her
to appreciate that when people dehydrate, their
appreciating that as people dehydrate, their


Could anyone please explain what is their (first one) referring to?


Hi Gaurav1083,

Their is possessive pronoun so its referring family's. I think you are confused with pronoun they which can not refer to noun inside the possessive noun.


A) Subject verb agreement ( Person is singular so can not be referred by their)
B) Leave B.
C) Minds can not be used for a single person so this choice is wrong.
D) Infinitive ( to+ verb) generally used to show intention, For ex to plan, to kill. Result can not show intention so this choice is also not correct.
E) appreciating is showing continuity , result can not be continuous so this choice is wrong.

I hope my explanation will help.


Hey rphardu:

family's possessive pronoun should be its.
families' possessive pronoun should be their.

There is some typo in the option, I guess!!!


Thanks fluke to rectify error, so nice of you.
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I agree with fluke..
I tried to check the answer from other sources but didnt find.
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B and agree that family's should have 'its' and not 'their'...
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'one result was .. their appreciation'

so B
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Confused between B and D


can anyone explain why not D?
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Nice explanation by saurabh. ...further possessive pronoun can refer back to itself.
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Hello,

Can someone please help me with this one.

The subject (A result) of the sentence appear to be singular as indicated by use of "WAS".

OA suggested here is (B). But I am not sure that what "THEIR" is actually referring to?

Is it referring to Family (Singular)...No

Family's Ordeal (Singular) Yes

So on the basis of this (A) and (B) are out.

(C) is incorrect as "minds" do not agree with his/hers (singular)

Not sure about (D).

So I picked (E).

Could someone please assist in providing solution.

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Refer to response from fluke

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family's possessive pronoun should be its.
families' possessive pronoun should be their.

There is some typo in the option, I guess!!!


B and agree that family's should have 'its' and not 'their'...
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family is a collective noun. their cannot refer to family. pls correct the sentence.
the only one that is grammatically correct, even though changes meaning, is D.
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Q:> One result of the family's long ordeal at sea was their appreciation that as a person dehydrates, their minds tend to wander.

A: their appreciation that as a person dehydrates, their > Sub-verb agreement error

B: their appreciation that as people dehydrate, their >Correct in meaning

> Although "FAMILY" is singular but here the 1st "their" used refers to the FAMILY

> The reason for this is usage is that the decision is of all the family members as in this sentence [The staff are in disagreement over the findings] >staff members are in disagreement


C: to appreciate that when a person dehydrates, his or her > To is wrong, that is required

D: to appreciate that when people dehydrate, their > To is wrong, that is required

E: appreciating that as people dehydrate, their
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bumping again .
family is a collective noun - we can't use their.
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