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Re: 510 to 770 49Q 46V 6IR - What worked for me - 2 Years [#permalink]
Great debrief and congrats for the awesome score. ATB for the apps.
I too second the part -- "what got me from the 30's in verbal to the 40's was ONLY using official GMAT problems as test material and reading Ron Purewal's explanation to every answer"

"I never studied combinatorics or probability. I hated those and refused to spend time on it. I hoped that I would see those on test day, funny thing is I saw 4 of them, probably got them wrong." -- I had my own justification to this. I believed that the algo attacks your weakest areas as it zeros in on ur level. Imagine, you were doing brilliantly and then got a P&C, got it wrong, level went down, after some problems that you got right (at a 49,50 level this is very believable) you got another P&C and got it wrong. If you continue getting all rights, the easiest way for the algo to make it harder would be to dish out another P&C. Just my make belief theory so that I covered everything :)
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Great debrief and congrats for the awesome score. ATB for the apps.
I too second the part -- "what got me from the 30's in verbal to the 40's was ONLY using official GMAT problems as test material and reading Ron Purewal's explanation to every answer"

"I never studied combinatorics or probability. I hated those and refused to spend time on it. I hoped that I would see those on test day, funny thing is I saw 4 of them, probably got them wrong." -- I had my own justification to this. I believed that the algo attacks your weakest areas as it zeros in on ur level. Imagine, you were doing brilliantly and then got a P&C, got it wrong, level went down, after some problems that you got right (at a 49,50 level this is very believable) you got another P&C and got it wrong. If you continue getting all rights, the easiest way for the algo to make it harder would be to dish out another P&C. Just my make belief theory so that I covered everything :)



hehe.i recently gave gmat. even i was amused to see 2-3 probability questions and 1-2 permutations and combinations questions. the spread of the questions was good , yet it surprised me :roll:
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I had my own justification to this. I believed that the algo attacks your weakest areas as it zeros in on ur level. Imagine, you were doing brilliantly and then got a P&C, got it wrong, level went down, after some problems that you got right (at a 49,50 level this is very believable) you got another P&C and got it wrong. If you continue getting all rights, the easiest way for the algo to make it harder would be to dish out another P&C. Just my make belief theory so that I covered everything :)


...ahhh very interesting that would make sense.
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Peter, where I can find Ron´s explanations to SC? I´ve been looking for those but I couldn't find them. Thank you.
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Peter, where I can find Ron´s explanations to SC? I´ve been looking for those but I couldn't find them. Thank you.


Ron Purewal posts a lot on Manhattan GMAT forums. He also answers questions every Thursday. If you google "Thursday's with Ron" he will come right up at the top of the list.
He does not have a list of explanations, rather, if you have an official sentence correction question, google that question and you will find him responding to the questions on the Manhattan GMAT forums. I am not sure if he is active on gmatclub.

Also, in the GPSC document I provided I copied and pasted much of his responses in the document.
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Thank you so much. What are your thoughts though on the PowerScore LSAT LR Question Type Vol. 2 though? I've finished studying the CR Bible already. Does the LSAT LR complement the CR Bible? And If so, are the LSAT LR Question Types in the same GMAT-language?
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Thank you so much. What are your thoughts though on the PowerScore LSAT LR Question Type Vol. 2 though? I've finished studying the CR Bible already. Does the LSAT LR complement the CR Bible? And If so, are the LSAT LR Question Types in the same GMAT-language?


I think that the "PowerScore LSAT LR Question Type Vol. 2" is a must have. It is my number 3 point under Critical Reasoning. The book is a collection of official LSAT questions and although I say to ONLY practice official GMAT questions I believe that practicing official LSAT questions is the exception to this rule. I found the questions to be very similar and often much harder. I think that if it weren't for this book I would not have performed as well on the GMAT Verbal section.

Yes there are question types that are not found on the GMAT such as the "Point At Issue/Point of Agreement" questions but the book breaks up each question type by chapter and so you can just avoid these questions.

I would absolutely purchase the book. About a week before the exam I would stop using the book and go over about 50 to 100 official GMAT questions again just to make sure your ear is tuned to the right channel (official GMAT questions).
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Thank you so much. What are your thoughts though on the PowerScore LSAT LR Question Type Vol. 2 though? I've finished studying the CR Bible already. Does the LSAT LR complement the CR Bible? And If so, are the LSAT LR Question Types in the same GMAT-language?


I think that the "PowerScore LSAT LR Question Type Vol. 2" is a must have. It is my number 3 point under Critical Reasoning. The book is a collection of official LSAT questions and although I say to ONLY practice official GMAT questions I believe that practicing official LSAT questions is the exception to this rule. I found the questions to be very similar and often much harder. I think that if it weren't for this book I would not have performed as well on the GMAT Verbal section.

Yes there are question types that are not found on the GMAT such as the "Point At Issue/Point of Agreement" questions but the book breaks up each question type by chapter and so you can just avoid these questions.

I would absolutely purchase the book. About a week before the exam I would stop using the book and go over about 50 to 100 official GMAT questions again just to make sure your ear is tuned to the right channel (official GMAT questions).


Got it! Thanks a lot, Peter. And good luck to your future endeavors. Congratulations!
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Hi Peter, when did you schedule your exam?
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Hi Peter, when did you schedule your exam?


I took the exam in the last week in June.
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Re: 510 to 770 49Q 46V 6IR - What worked for me - 2 Years [#permalink]
Great score Peter!! Congratulations!!! How did you approach the verbal timing, when it comes to pacing in verbal? I always rush on the last 5 questions on the verbal section and it lowers my score. Thank you for sharing your debrief and good luck!
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Great score Peter!! Congratulations!!! How did you approach the verbal timing, when it comes to pacing in verbal? I always rush on the last 5 questions on the verbal section and it lowers my score. Thank you for sharing your debrief and good luck!


Great question.
I feel like verbal timing is a very important issue and what helped me score well on the section.
I didn't see any improvement until I began practicing daily on the train and during work. On the train, I would time my ride, 30 minutes and shoot for solving 25 problems within that time frame. Also, in work I would try to solve 5 problems in 5 minutes. The train was very loud and it was stressful to be doing problems in work when I should be working.

I think that timing myself combined with testing myself in high stress environments caused me to replicate test day experiences and got me great at timing. The train is also very loud so it got me to be able to focus better.

Also, this is another weird suggestion, but I strongly feel that reading questions in different formats, on the computer, written on paper, or in different font sizes on a pdf caused me to do better. Sometimes I would do worse on problems I knew how to solve simply because it was written in a different font. This made test day seem easy when I didn't have to squint to solve the problem.

Verbal is definitely a section where tons of practice makes perfect. I think even more so than quant—at least for me.
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Great score Peter!! Congratulations!!! How did you approach the verbal timing, when it comes to pacing in verbal? I always rush on the last 5 questions on the verbal section and it lowers my score. Thank you for sharing your debrief and good luck!

And if you were looking for specifics, I tried to keep SC and CR to a minute per problem, give or take. And devoted 4 to 5 minutes to reading each RC passage and 30 seconds to 1 minute to solving RC problems.
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I rarely post on here, but let me just say, your debrief is the best I've heard to date (and that's saying something since I've read countless beathegmat, manhattangmat, and gmatclub posts. You're list of resources is overwhelmingly incredible, I sincerely appreciate it. After reading your post about 3-4 times, I feel as though we're similar in many ways to our approach, and that is why I feel your approach and study methods would suit me. I am also studying for the GMAT again (try #3 for me, try 1: 560, try 2: 670), and your extremely candid post and more so, you're never giving up in face of adversity speaks to me as a similar individual who is hungry to Destroy the GMAT. I studied hard for 4 months with Manhattan GMAT (full course), and was somewhat disappointed with my 670. Yet, I see that you had similar scores, and that didn't stop you from ultimately achieving a 99th percentile score (much congrats btw). I simply need to adjust my approach to Quant (already have a decent Verbal score), and your outlook provides great references. This just fueled the fire for me, and gave me hope that I too, can achieve a 700+ score and a 47+ Quant score. Today, I will begin looking into your methods of study (I've already downloaded all your resources, thanks! lol). All the best getting into B-school and getting the job of your dreams! Thanks again
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I rarely post on here, but let me just say, your debrief is the best I've heard to date (and that's saying something since I've read countless beathegmat, manhattangmat, and gmatclub posts. You're list of resources is overwhelmingly incredible, I sincerely appreciate it. After reading your post about 3-4 times, I feel as though we're similar in many ways to our approach, and that is why I feel your approach and study methods would suit me. I am also studying for the GMAT again (try #3 for me, try 1: 560, try 2: 670), and your extremely candid post and more so, you're never giving up in face of adversity speaks to me as a similar individual who is hungry to Destroy the GMAT. I studied hard for 4 months with Manhattan GMAT (full course), and was somewhat disappointed with my 670. Yet, I see that you had similar scores, and that didn't stop you from ultimately achieving a 99th percentile score (much congrats btw). I simply need to adjust my approach to Quant (already have a decent Verbal score), and your outlook provides great references. This just fueled the fire for me, and gave me hope that I too, can achieve a 700+ score and a 47+ Quant score. Today, I will begin looking into your methods of study (I've already downloaded all your resources, thanks! lol). All the best getting into B-school and getting the job of your dreams! Thanks again


That is awesome! Thank you for the kind words! 670 is a great score but I understand wanting to reach 700+. I normally would have stopped after the 710 but I knew I was capable of better quant and plus I have a low gpa so I felt like I needed a gmat score higher than the medians.

At times it was tough, especially when you read things that say "most people only increase their score by 33 points on the second try and not much afterwards." I also was discouraged when I read things that said things like "the GMAT is an aptitude test and at a certain point you cannot go any higher."

Deep down I knew that I was capable of a great score and so I had to block out all the naysayers and hold onto that. Honestly, my favorite quote is from Winston Churchill and at times when I would get multiple quant questions wrong I would want to give in but all I told myself was "that cannot be your favorite quote if you give up." But believe me when I say that I wanted to quit--after all if everyone says something isn't it right most of the time?

If it means that much to you, don't give up. The fact that you got a 670 shows that you are of higher intelligence and with the right practice you can score 700+. What got me into the 700's was formulating my own approach. I stopped doing what people suggested and only held on to the suggestions that I thought applied to me --similar to what you are doing.
Best of luck!

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Congratulations. 770 is a super score. 8-)
Thank you for the debrief.
All the best with your applications.

"I hoped that I would see those on test day, funny thing is I saw 4 of them, probably got them wrong."
Guess you are not that bad in probability. :-D
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Great Read, and I hope to accomplish the same.
I scored a 570 after scoring 710 on a practice the night before. Dissapointing to say the least.
Wondering if you could offer some wisdom on why you didnt jump from your 510 to 710 the 2nd round. and maybe some tips on how to kill it the 2nd time around.


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