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The fact that several of the largest senior citizens [#permalink] New post 24 Nov 2008, 00:09
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The fact that several of the largest senior citizens’ organizations are constituted almost exclusively of middle-class elderly people has led critics to question the seriousness of those organizations’ commitment to speaking out on behalf of the needs of economically disadvantaged elderly people.
Which of the following generalizations, if true, would help to substantiate the criticism implicit in the statement above?
(A) The ideology of an organization tends reflect the traditional political climate of its locale.
(B) The needs of disadvantaged elderly people differ in some ways from those of other disadvantaged groups within contemporary society.
(C) Organized groups are better able to publicize their problems and seek redress than individuals acting alone.
(D) Middle-class elderly people are more likely to join organizations than are economically disadvantaged elderly people.
(E) People usually join organizations whose purpose is to further the economic, political, or social interests of their members.


I am sorry to post the OA in the first post. But it is necessary since I want to discuss about the validity of the OA.

OA is E

I understand that this answer can be selected using POE and is the only relevant answer here BUT still their is flaw in OA.
Here's why:

The organization is for "senior citizens" and though majority of its members are middle class elderly people it is NOT meant only for "middle class elderly people". so when OA says "their members", it includes economically disadvantaged elderly people as well, which does not help substantiate the critique.

Can someone help me understand if I am wrong in the above reasoning?
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Re: CR: senior citizens’ organizations [#permalink] New post 24 Nov 2008, 04:26
Premises 1 - People join organizations whose purpose is to further the economic, political, or social interests of their members...
Premises 2 - Several of the largest senior citizens’ organizations are constituted almost exclusively of middle-class elderly people
Conclusion - Middle-class elderly people dirive there own agenda rather than speaking out on behalfs of the needs of economically disadvantaged elderly people....

Hope that help !!

if you find some flaw in my line of resoning , pls let me know .

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Re: CR: senior citizens’ organizations [#permalink] New post 24 Nov 2008, 14:46
The key word is almost exclusively
largest senior citizens’ organizations are constituted almost exclusively of middle-class elderly people.

As such, you can make the general assumption that almost everyone is middle class elderly.

alpha_plus_gamma wrote:
The fact that several of the largest senior citizens’ organizations are constituted almost exclusively of middle-class elderly people has led critics to question the seriousness of those organizations’ commitment to speaking out on behalf of the needs of economically disadvantaged elderly people.
Which of the following generalizations, if true, would help to substantiate the criticism implicit in the statement above?
(A) The ideology of an organization tends reflect the traditional political climate of its locale.
(B) The needs of disadvantaged elderly people differ in some ways from those of other disadvantaged groups within contemporary society.
(C) Organized groups are better able to publicize their problems and seek redress than individuals acting alone.
(D) Middle-class elderly people are more likely to join organizations than are economically disadvantaged elderly people.
(E) People usually join organizations whose purpose is to further the economic, political, or social interests of their members.


I am sorry to post the OA in the first post. But it is necessary since I want to discuss about the validity of the OA.

OA is E

I understand that this answer can be selected using POE and is the only relevant answer here BUT still their is flaw in OA.
Here's why:

The organization is for "senior citizens" and though majority of its members are middle class elderly people it is NOT meant only for "middle class elderly people". so when OA says "their members", it includes economically disadvantaged elderly people as well, which does not help substantiate the critique.

Can someone help me understand if I am wrong in the above reasoning?
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Re: CR: senior citizens’ organizations [#permalink] New post 25 Nov 2008, 09:46
alpha_plus_gamma wrote:
The fact that several of the largest senior citizens’ organizations are constituted almost exclusively of middle-class elderly people has led critics to question the seriousness of those organizations’ commitment to speaking out on behalf of the needs of economically disadvantaged elderly people.
Which of the following generalizations, if true, would help to substantiate the criticism implicit in the statement above?
(A) The ideology of an organization tends reflect the traditional political climate of its locale.
(B) The needs of disadvantaged elderly people differ in some ways from those of other disadvantaged groups within contemporary society.
(C) Organized groups are better able to publicize their problems and seek redress than individuals acting alone.
(D) Middle-class elderly people are more likely to join organizations than are economically disadvantaged elderly people.
(E) People usually join organizations whose purpose is to further the economic, political, or social interests of their members.


I am sorry to post the OA in the first post. But it is necessary since I want to discuss about the validity of the OA.

OA is E

I understand that this answer can be selected using POE and is the only relevant answer here BUT still their is flaw in OA.
Here's why:

The organization is for "senior citizens" and though majority of its members are middle class elderly people it is NOT meant only for "middle class elderly people". so when OA says "their members", it includes economically disadvantaged elderly people as well, which does not help substantiate the critique.

Can someone help me understand if I am wrong in the above reasoning?



I think the key here is to understand the question stem.
Which of the following generalizations, if true, would help to substantiate the criticism implicit in the statement above?

so what is the criticism. The organisations are not best represented. They will be best represented if more economically disadvantaged men are its members. Answer choice E best states that generalisation by saying:

People usually join organizations whose purpose is to further the economic, political, or social interests of their members.

Hence E tells us that if an organisation wishes to bring forward issues concerning a certain strata of the society then it may as well be represented by ppl from such a section.

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Re: CR: senior citizens’ organizations [#permalink] New post 06 Nov 2011, 04:26
hibloom wrote:
alpha_plus_gamma wrote:
The fact that several of the largest senior citizens’ organizations are constituted almost exclusively of middle-class elderly people has led critics to question the seriousness of those organizations’ commitment to speaking out on behalf of the needs of economically disadvantaged elderly people.
Which of the following generalizations, if true, would help to substantiate the criticism implicit in the statement above?
(A) The ideology of an organization tends reflect the traditional political climate of its locale.
(B) The needs of disadvantaged elderly people differ in some ways from those of other disadvantaged groups within contemporary society.
(C) Organized groups are better able to publicize their problems and seek redress than individuals acting alone.
(D) Middle-class elderly people are more likely to join organizations than are economically disadvantaged elderly people.
(E) People usually join organizations whose purpose is to further the economic, political, or social interests of their members.


I am sorry to post the OA in the first post. But it is necessary since I want to discuss about the validity of the OA.

OA is E

I understand that this answer can be selected using POE and is the only relevant answer here BUT still their is flaw in OA.
Here's why:

The organization is for "senior citizens" and though majority of its members are middle class elderly people it is NOT meant only for "middle class elderly people". so when OA says "their members", it includes economically disadvantaged elderly people as well, which does not help substantiate the critique.

Can someone help me understand if I am wrong in the above reasoning?



I think the key here is to understand the question stem.
Which of the following generalizations, if true, would help to substantiate the criticism implicit in the statement above?

so what is the criticism. The organisations are not best represented. They will be best represented if more economically disadvantaged men are its members. Answer choice E best states that generalisation by saying:

People usually join organizations whose purpose is to further the economic, political, or social interests of their members.

Hence E tells us that if an organisation wishes to bring forward issues concerning a certain strata of the society then it may as well be represented by ppl from such a section.

HTH



Hi,

Please correct my understanding here.
I understand that the critics ask this question concerned with seriousness of organisation's commitment or representations in speaking about its middle aged employees.
Therefore, I see this as, the criticism is made since the critics primarily adhere to the fact that organized groups do a better job in getting redressed than individuals, and hence doubts the seriousness of the organisation's involvement in representing its middle aged workers. So, C seems to be this answer.
Pls correct me even if I am miserably wrong :) :( !
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Re: The fact that several of the largest senior citizens [#permalink] New post 02 Apr 2013, 21:21
Hi

Greetings.

Both the choices B and E come very close, but I have a different opinion.

Some of you may not agree, but I feel none of the choices accurately substantiate the criticism. The critics argue that since the membership is almost exclusively middle-class, the organization’s commitment to speak out on behalf of the needs of economically disadvantaged elderly is questionable.

The critics feel that the middle class may not speak out on the needs of the economically disadvantaged people. (I’m leaving out the word elderly since I feel that it does not, in any way, contribute to what we are looking for.)

The premise on which the critics base their argument is: people of class A will not / cannot effectively speak out on the needs of people of class B.

Ideally, the correct choice could have been worded somewhat like this (or better ;):
“People from one particular class of the society cannot / will not effectively speak out for people from another class of society.”

I have a small issue with Choice E (though it comes close) because even if people join organizations to further interests of their members, it may not exclude them from furthering interests of other members. (For instance, John Doe works for educational needs of the Hispanic children; that does not mean he will be uninterested in the educational needs of other races. At least it is not conclusive.). Had the Choice E been worded like,
People usually join organizations whose purpose is to further the economic, political, or social interests of ONLY their members, I would agree.)

Choice B is fair but weak. The critics are not arguing whether the needs of a certain class are different from or similar to other groups in the society. Isn’t it likely that even the needs of two classes are different, the steps taken to benefit one class may spill over and spread benefits for other classes in the same proportion – like a win-win situation?

As an afterthought, choice B is appropriate for a question like, “Which of the following is the assumption upon which the critics rest their case?”

Anyway, since our task is to select from the one of the options (and not add one :), I would rather E.

I wrote quite a lot; did I make sense? :-D

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Re: CR: senior citizens’ organizations [#permalink] New post 03 Apr 2013, 12:06
Hello raghupara,
Your understanding of the question is a bit faulty. The critics arr concerned since the organizations are comprised of exclusively of middle class elderly people. Due to this they fear that the economically disadvantaged elderly people might not be represented by these organizations.

Now, the questions asks us to choose an option that could substantiate this criticism.

E highlights that people joining organizations generally tend to represent their own people. This leads us to conclude that economically disadvantaged elderly people might not be represented or benefited by these organizations since middle class elderly people would aim at working towards improvement of their people through these organizations.

Hope this helps. Let me know if you need any further clarifications.

raghupara wrote:

Hi,

Please correct my understanding here.
I understand that the critics ask this question concerned with seriousness of organisation's commitment or representations in speaking about its middle aged employees.
Therefore, I see this as, the criticism is made since the critics primarily adhere to the fact that organized groups do a better job in getting redressed than individuals, and hence doubts the seriousness of the organisation's involvement in representing its middle aged workers. So, C seems to be this answer.
Pls correct me even if I am miserably wrong :) :( !
Thanks!

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