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M03 Q14 [#permalink] New post 08 Nov 2008, 09:28
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Is G < K ?

1. G>K^2
2. G and K are positive integers

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S1 is true even if G =1/10 and K=1/10 ; therefore, it is not sufficient.
S2 is obviously insufficient, but together they are sufficient, because then G> K^2 > 1 and this implies G> K


My answer is A

When
1. G = 2, K =1
G >K^2 is TRUE, Is G<K - No/False - Suff
2. G = 1/2, K =1/2
G >K^2 is TRUE, Is G<K - No/False - Suff
3. G = 1/2, K =-1/2
G >K^2 is TRUE, Is G<K - No/False - Suff
4. G = 9, K = -2
G >K^2 is TRUE, Is G<K - No/False - Suff
5. G = 1/3, K = -1/3
G >K^2 is TRUE, Is G<K - No/False - Suff
6. G = 1/3, K = 0
G >K^2 is TRUE, Is G<K - No/False - Suff

I could not think of an example which will the contradict the answer

Am I missing something here :roll:
I am completely confused :?
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Re: M03 Q14 [#permalink] New post 13 May 2010, 06:53
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Is G < K ?
(1) G > K^2
(2) G and K are positive integers.

Statement 2: G and K are positive integers.
G = 1 and K = 2 => G < K is True.
G = 2 and K = 1 => G < K is False.
Statement 2 is Clearly not sufficient by itself.

This eliminates answers B and D.

Remember this statement says G and K are positive and G and K are integers. So, G and K are not fractions.

Statement 1: G > K^2
G = 5 and K = 2: 5 > 4, so G > K^2 is True, but G < K is False.
G = 1/3 and K = 1/2: 1/3 > 1/4, so G > K^2 is True, but G < K is True.
Statement 2 is Clearly not sufficient by itself.

This eliminates the answer A.

Take Both Statement 1 and 2: G > K^2 and G and K are positive integers.
In this case, G and K are position and are integers, so cannot be fractions.

Examples:
G = 2 and K = 1: 2 > 1, so G > K^2 is True, but G < K is False.
G = 5 and K = 2: 5 > 4, so G > K^2 is True, but G < K is False.
G = 101 and K = 10: 101 > 100, so G > K^2 is True, but G < K is False.

So, the result is consistent and both statement 1 and 2 jointly are sufficient to answer is G < K.

The answer choice is C.

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Re: M03 Q14 [#permalink] New post 08 Nov 2008, 11:54
Livestronger, you were close enough on your number substitution sample #2. But why did you chose the same numbers for both G and K.

If you had chosen G = 1/3 and K = 1/2. It satisfies, G > K^2. And clearly answers if G < K. it appears sufficient. But let's try with another substitution. G = 1 and K = 1/2. Again G > K^2 is satisfied. But this time G < K gives you a different answer. Now that's the crucial part(IMHO) of DS. If you can come up with 2 different results for the original question stem, then that particular choice is not Sufficient. Safely POE on that..so A and D are gone.

statement #2, seems obvious. It is definitely not sufficient to answer whether G < K. All we know if G > 0 and K > 0 and that they are integers. So B is gone.

Now together, they tell a story. Statement 2 affirms us that G and K are not fractions. So our only other contradiction about statement 1 is eliminated. Which leaves us with the fact that if G > 0 and K > 0 and both are integers, then
if G > K^2, then always G is > K.

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Re: M03 Q14 [#permalink] New post 08 Nov 2008, 15:42
From statement 1:
1. If G = 0.5 and K = 0.7, G > K^2.
here G < K.
2. If G = 5 and K = 2, G > K^2.
Here G > K.

NSF.

From statement 2:

Either one is greater or smaller than the other. NSF.

From Statement 1 and 2:

G > K or G is not smaller than K. So Suff....

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LiveStronger wrote:
Is G< K ?
1. G>K^2
2. G and K are positive integers

OA is C
OE is
S1 is true even if G =1/10 and K=1/10 ; therefore, it is not sufficient.
S2 is obviously insufficient, but together they are sufficient, because then G> K^2 > 1 and this implies G> K


My answer is A

When
1. G = 2, K =1
G >K^2 is TRUE, Is G<K - No/False - Suff
2. G = 1/2, K =1/2
G >K^2 is TRUE, Is G<K - No/False - Suff
3. G = 1/2, K =-1/2
G >K^2 is TRUE, Is G<K - No/False - Suff
4. G = 9, K = -2
G >K^2 is TRUE, Is G<K - No/False - Suff
5. G = 1/3, K = -1/3
G >K^2 is TRUE, Is G<K - No/False - Suff
6. G = 1/3, K = 0
G >K^2 is TRUE, Is G<K - No/False - Suff

I could not think of an example which will the contradict the answer

Am I missing something here :roll:
I am completely confused :?

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Re: M03 Q14 [#permalink] New post 09 Nov 2008, 03:52
masuhari wrote:
Livestronger, you were close enough on your number substitution sample #2. But why did you chose the same numbers for both G and K.

If you had chosen G = 1/3 and K = 1/2. It satisfies, G > K^2. And clearly answers if G < K. it appears sufficient. But let's try with another substitution. G = 1 and K = 1/2. Again G > K^2 is satisfied. But this time G < K gives you a different answer. Now that's the crucial part(IMHO) of DS. If you can come up with 2 different results for the original question stem, then that particular choice is not Sufficient. Safely POE on that..so A and D are gone.

statement #2, seems obvious. It is definitely not sufficient to answer whether G < K. All we know if G > 0 and K > 0 and that they are integers. So B is gone.

Now together, they tell a story. Statement 2 affirms us that G and K are not fractions. So our only other contradiction about statement 1 is eliminated. Which leaves us with the fact that if G > 0 and K > 0 and both are integers, then
if G > K^2, then always G is > K.

HTH...


Ahhh, I just simply couldn't think of that example :oops:
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Re: M03 Q14 [#permalink] New post 13 May 2010, 06:15
Option C... easy one.... But easy to miss (and mark A incorrectly ) if you do not consider equal fractions for both numbers.
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Re: M03 Q14 [#permalink] New post 13 May 2010, 19:25
We know that -

is G<K

Opt - A) G>K^2 - alone not sufficient

Opt - B) G and K are +ve integers - alone not sufficient

Combaining together, (two possibilities )
ex) G=3 , K = 10 implies 3>100 = False
G=20 , K = 3 implies 20>9 = True.
So two answers are contradicting each other.

Both A&B together are insufficient.
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Re: M03 Q14 [#permalink] New post 14 May 2010, 00:34
Hi,

The text in red contains an error. If you use information from both statements, you should take such G that follows S1 (G>K^2). The text in red clearly contradicts S1, so this is not a valid proof. S1+S2 is sufficient, OA is C.

I hope it helps you.
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We know that -

is G<K

Opt - A) G>K^2 - alone not sufficient

Opt - B) G and K are +ve integers - alone not sufficient

Combaining together, (two possibilities )
ex) G=3 , K = 10 implies 3>100 = False
G=20 , K = 3 implies 20>9 = True.
So two answers are contradicting each other.

Both A&B together are insufficient.

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Re: M03 Q14 [#permalink] New post 15 May 2010, 05:22
I also got C. But missed to consider 1/2 and 1/3 option :(
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Re: M03 Q14 [#permalink] New post 03 Jan 2011, 01:33
it took me so much time, and so many examples to get this one right! Lesson learnt: use fractions when it is NOT given that the numbers are "integers".
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Re: M03 Q14 [#permalink] New post 17 May 2011, 05:09
(1)

G > K^2

G = 1/2

K = 1/2

G = 1

K = 1/2

Insufficient

(2)

Not Sufficient

(1) + (2)

G = 4, K = 1

G = 10, K = 3

Sufficient

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Re: M03 Q14 [#permalink] New post 17 May 2011, 06:37
C is the answer,
always consider fractions when nit mentioned integers.
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Re: M03 Q14 [#permalink] New post 18 May 2011, 02:45
Put some quick values n check
You get C

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Re: M03 Q14 [#permalink] New post 18 May 2011, 22:40
I got C thinking about + and - cases, but I think that will not work and we have to consider fractions.
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Re: M03 Q14 [#permalink] New post 19 May 2011, 22:36
Is G < K

1) G > K to power 2
2) G and K are positive integers.

Lets take (1)

Both G and K can be positive or negative integers or even fractions.
(a)If both are positive, when G >K^2, => G > K
(b)If both are negative, when G cannot be greater than K^2 which will then become positive
(c)When both are fractions, we can get all kinds of results.

So, (1) is not enough for us to get an answer - Choce (A) and (D) are ruled out.

Now lets take (2)
Both G and K are postive integers, so G < K only when exact values of G and K are known, which we dont know so (2) is not enough and option (B) is ruled out.

Now its either (C) or (E).

Lets evaluate C -

If both are positive integers and G>K^2, as explained in (a) above, this means that G > K always. Hence (C) is the choice.
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Re: M03 Q14 [#permalink] New post 22 May 2011, 09:31
C since (2) eliminates the fractions that were available in (1)
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Re: M03 Q14 [#permalink] New post 25 May 2011, 08:12
C, as individual statements will not be sufficient.
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Re: M03 Q14 [#permalink] New post 21 Sep 2011, 08:33
Consider case : g=1/3, k=1/2 therefore k^2 = 1/4. Here g>k^2 but g<k; Hence Answer should be E.
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