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OG81 Mortgage: another comparision [#permalink]
09 Feb 2005, 22:28
81. In 1973 mortgage payments represented twenty-one percent of an average thirty-year-old male's income; and forty-four percent in 1984.
(A) income; and forty-four percent in 1984
(B) income; in 1984 the figure was forty-four percent
(C) income, and in 1984 forty-four percent
(D) income, forty-four percent in 1984 was the figure
(E) income that rose to forty-four percent in 1984
Discussion please.
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A) income; and forty-four percent in 1984
You cannot start a sentence with a conjunction I think.
What was forty-four percent?
(B) income; in 1984 the figure was forty-four percent
Okay
(C) income, and in 1984 forty-four percent
What was forty-four percent?
(D) income, forty-four percent in 1984 was the figure
ACKWARD
(E) income that rose to forty-four percent in 1984
What rose to forty-four percent - Is it the income or the Mortgage payment. This implies income rost to forty-four percent.
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In 1973 mortgage payments represented twenty-one percent of an average thirty-year-old male's income; and forty-four percent in 1984.
(A) income; and forty-four percent in 1984 - Grammatically, you can start a sentence with a conjunction; it's just considered poor form. Either way, a semi-colon is used to separate two independent clauses while indicating a relationship between them.
(B) income; in 1984 the figure was forty-four percent - This is a grammatically correct sentence. You can safely assume that the figure discussed relates to the mortgage payments, since "of an average thirty-year-old male's income" is just one long prepositional phrase.
(C) income, and in 1984 forty-four percent - This is a disruptive comma. In order to place a comma before the "and" (or any conjunction, for that matter) in a sentence, it must be dividing two independent clauses.
(D) income, forty-four percent in 1984 was the figure - This is a comma splice. Because the clause after the comma is independent, the sentence needs either a conjunction to separate the two clauses (with a comma - see above), or there need to be two sentences.
(E) income that rose to forty-four percent in 1984 - "That" is a modifier that modifies "income" and not the mortgage payment. In this case, the "that" alters the meaning of the sentence altogether.
Hope this helps!
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Is it ok to introduce "the figure" in (B)? Why can't C be right in the sense of elipse?
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You can introduce the figure in B because of the semi-colon. A semi-colon generally indicates a closer elationship with the previous clause than a period does. Take for example: He ate 22 moon pies; the sheer quantity was disgusting. Another example (just to demonstrate how a semi-colon can create ties between two random thoughts): Sarah's calves are sore; she wears high-heels every day.
As for the rest of your question, I'm not sure what you mean about C in the sense of an elipse...
C is incorrect because you can't put a comma in the middle of sentence unless it serves a specific function (e.g. lists, appositives, non-essential clauses/phrases, etc). In C, the comma sets off a dependent, essential phrase - two circumstances in which commas shouldn't be used.
Did that clarify?
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Halahpeno,
Great explaination.As for (E),why can't that refer to the mortage payment?Is it because the subject income is closer compared to mortage payment?Please advice.Thank you.Rgds,
Anna
halahpeno wrote: In 1973 mortgage payments represented twenty-one percent of an average thirty-year-old male's income; and forty-four percent in 1984.
(A) income; and forty-four percent in 1984 - Grammatically, you can start a sentence with a conjunction; it's just considered poor form. Either way, a semi-colon is used to separate two independent clauses while indicating a relationship between them.
(B) income; in 1984 the figure was forty-four percent - This is a grammatically correct sentence. You can safely assume that the figure discussed relates to the mortgage payments, since "of an average thirty-year-old male's income" is just one long prepositional phrase.
(C) income, and in 1984 forty-four percent - This is a disruptive comma. In order to place a comma before the "and" (or any conjunction, for that matter) in a sentence, it must be dividing two independent clauses.
(D) income, forty-four percent in 1984 was the figure - This is a comma splice. Because the clause after the comma is independent, the sentence needs either a conjunction to separate the two clauses (with a comma - see above), or there need to be two sentences.
(E) income that rose to forty-four percent in 1984 - "That" is a modifier that modifies "income" and not the mortgage payment. In this case, the "that" alters the meaning of the sentence altogether.
Hope this helps!
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halahpeno wrote: You can introduce the figure in B because of the semi-colon. A semi-colon generally indicates a closer elationship with the previous clause than a period does. Take for example: He ate 22 moon pies; the sheer quantity was disgusting. Another example (just to demonstrate how a semi-colon can create ties between two random thoughts): Sarah's calves are sore; she wears high-heels every day.
As for the rest of your question, I'm not sure what you mean about C in the sense of an elipse...
C is incorrect because you can't put a comma in the middle of sentence unless it serves a specific function (e.g. lists, appositives, non-essential clauses/phrases, etc). In C, the comma sets off a dependent, essential phrase - two circumstances in which commas shouldn't be used.
Did that clarify?
Thanks for the great explanation! For C I was thinking it may mean this:
In 1973 mortgage payments represented twenty-one percent of an average thirty-year-old male's income, and in 1984 (it represented) forty-four percent.
Would this be correct?
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Quote: In 1973 mortgage payments represented twenty-one percent of an average thirty-year-old male's income, and in 1984 (it represented) forty-four percent.
I agree with that. Sometime ellipsis will work and sometime it does not. I couldn't master about ellipsis until now.
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qhoc0010 wrote: I couldn't master about ellipsis until now.
This means you have mastered it now, correct?
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HongHu - you're understanding is absolutely correct - the sentence tries to assume that you know what it's saying (which you do). The problem is the misuse of the comma. Otherwise, it would be correct, I think.
Now I see what you mean by ellipsis! :)
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HongHu wrote: qhoc0010 wrote: I couldn't master about ellipsis until now. This means you have mastered it now, correct? 
ah, let me rephrase it.
I cannot master about ellipsis even until now.
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halahpeno wrote: HongHu - you're understanding is absolutely correct - the sentence tries to assume that you know what it's saying (which you do). The problem is the misuse of the comma. Otherwise, it would be correct, I think.
Do you mean that there shouldn't be a comma, or do you mean that there should be a semicolon in place of the comma?
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qhoc0010 wrote: HongHu wrote: qhoc0010 wrote: I couldn't master about ellipsis until now. This means you have mastered it now, correct?  ah, let me rephrase it. I cannot master about ellipsis even until now.
I still haven't mastered it till now.
I have yet to master it even till now.
Hmmm not sure what is the best way to say this.
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[quote="HongHu"][quote="halahpeno"]HongHu - you're understanding is absolutely correct - the sentence tries to assume that you know what it's saying (which you do). The problem is the misuse of the comma. Otherwise, it would be correct, I think.
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Do you mean that there shouldn't be a comma, or do you mean that there should be a semicolon in place of the comma?[/quote]
There should be no comma.
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HongHu wrote: halahpeno wrote: You can introduce the figure in B because of the semi-colon. A semi-colon generally indicates a closer elationship with the previous clause than a period does. Take for example: He ate 22 moon pies; the sheer quantity was disgusting. Another example (just to demonstrate how a semi-colon can create ties between two random thoughts): Sarah's calves are sore; she wears high-heels every day.
As for the rest of your question, I'm not sure what you mean about C in the sense of an elipse...
C is incorrect because you can't put a comma in the middle of sentence unless it serves a specific function (e.g. lists, appositives, non-essential clauses/phrases, etc). In C, the comma sets off a dependent, essential phrase - two circumstances in which commas shouldn't be used.
Did that clarify? Thanks for the great explanation! For C I was thinking it may mean this: In 1973 mortgage payments represented twenty-one percent of an average thirty-year-old male's income, and in 1984 (it represented) forty-four percent. Would this be correct?
I concur with Hong on the possible use of Ellipsis to justify C being correct. Can somebody clarify this?
I still get confused with ellipsis and parallelism sometimes....
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Re: OG81 Mortgage: another comparision [#permalink]
29 Jul 2007, 14:14
HongHu wrote: 81. In 1973 mortgage payments represented twenty-one percent of an average thirty-year-old male's income; and forty-four percent in 1984. (A) income; and forty-four percent in 1984 wrong use of a semicolon
(B) income; in 1984 the figure was forty-four percent correct
(C) income, and in 1984 forty-four percent missing a noun. makes it very unclear whether forty percent of income or mortgage. in addition, a statistic cannot stand alone. it must be a figure of 44%, an amount of 44%...etc
(D) income, forty-four percent in 1984 was the figure no conjunction, runon sentence
(E) income that rose to forty-four percent in 1984 that restricts its immediate referent. it is not income, but rather mortgage pmts that rose.
Discussion please.
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A/C are out as they're not independent clauses. B is best because they're dependent clauses, the second clause refers to the first but can stand alone as a sentence.
It's like this sentence
In 2007, I was a poor student, having literally no income; now, in 2012, my income exceeds $400 million.
Break it up:
In 2007, I was a poor student, having literally no income
now, in 2012, my income exceeds $400 million.
You can make two sentences out of it, so it's valid. But if you had:
In 2007, I was a poor student, having literally no income; now, in 2012, it exceeds $400 million.
Is wrong:
In 2007, I was a poor student, having literally no income
now, in 2012, it exceeds $400 million.
What exceeds $400M? It's not an independent clause.
ok im tired im going to bed, it's 6:15am lol. GN
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I have highlighted the parallel portions for choice C.
(C) In 1973 mortgage payments represented twenty-one percent of an average thirty-year-old male's income;
----- in 1984 the figure was forty-four percent(of an average thirty-year-old male's income - ellipsed portion).
Two rules are enough to eliminate other choices:
-usage of semicolon - check Elements of Style at http://www.bartleby.com/141/strunk.html#5
-parallelism
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