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Since 1966, roughly 21 percent of those enlisted in the USMC had reached
an E-5 ranking in fewer than three years
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(A) had reached an E-5 ranking in fewer than three years
(B) have reached an E-5 ranking in less than three years
(C) have reached an E-5 ranking in under three years
(D) had reached an E-5 ranking in less than three years
(E) have reached an E-5 ranking in fewer than three years
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hi feruz77,

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I say this is 700+ question. My choice is A.

the key to past perfect here is that the act of reaching the ranks was complete for 21 percent, who reached it within 3 years.
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MGMAT SC says whenever you use since, use it with a present perfect not past perfect.

Quote from page 109: "If you use SINCE with a time phrase, such as 1987, use the present perfect.
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How can we reconcile to a past perfect when the phenomenon is still going on. Let us drop all the - had reached choices -. Among B, C and E, although E seems to be the choice by grammar, C is more elegant and pleasant to hear, as I deem it is an acceptable form of idiom to say - under three years.-

If the official answer is not between C and E, then may I seek the OE for justifying the OA.
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correct ans is actually B. see the explanation by knewton.

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I was going with E... but I still dont know what the correct answer is from the lack of explanations. :(
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Ok, I read the MGMAT SC again and think the B is the right choice. Wtf, yes choose 'fewer' rather than 'less' does not make sense in this case. The year in this case is unit noun of the uncountable noun time. So we cannot say fewer than time... We have to say less than time => less three year OR fewer than three year number (I do not find the other nouns rather than number to express the example as in the MGMAT SC)
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Since 1966, roughly 21 percent of those enlisted in the USMC had reached
an E-5 ranking in fewer than three years
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(A) had reached an E-5 ranking in fewer than three years
(B) have reached an E-5 ranking in less than three years
(C) have reached an E-5 ranking in under three years
(D) had reached an E-5 ranking in less than three years
(E) have reached an E-5 ranking in fewer than three years



The logic is simple. The time frame talked about is 3 years since 1966. Present perfect tenses always show some connection between what happened in the past and the present situation. It cannot be applied here as the time frame in the question is only in the past.

Between fewer and less, it is quite evident; when we ask the question how many?, we use "fewer", if we ask how much?, it would have been "less"

Hope it helps.

OA is also A i guess

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I'd prefer present perfect here too.

There's no other clause describing the timeline, so I'm inclined to believe 'since 1966' means from 1966 to present.

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I prefer Present perfect..because "since 1966"
Also I could not see Two events (past perfect and Past tense ) In this sentence, Based on this, "Had reached.." eliminated.
If anyone disagrees,I am happy to see his or her explanations
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OA pls, pls give source or OE along with OA
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I still haven't understood why past perfect tense. Why not present perfect???
Past perfect is normally used for the tenses with two time frames in the past.

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One more for E. Past perfect just doesn't make sense here.
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Since 1966, roughly 21 percent of those enlisted in the USMC had reached
an E-5 ranking in fewer than three years
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(A) had reached an E-5 ranking in fewer than three years
(B) have reached an E-5 ranking in less than three years
(C) have reached an E-5 ranking in under three years
(D) had reached an E-5 ranking in less than three years
(E) have reached an E-5 ranking in fewer than three years


so the discussion is not conlcusive

any thoughts why "less than three years" is incorrect as we can count years....... :? :?
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What is wrong with C? Cant we say under 3 years ?

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What is wrong with C? Cant we say under 3 years ?

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Dear binu
lets be pratical
we can say under the table (its concerned with the position of the object)


but we cant say under the year

can we???????????

but yes we can say within 3 years (provided the sentence makes sense)
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