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The first trenches that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence for centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East that were arising simultaneously with but independently of the more celebrated city-states of southern Mesopotamia, in what is now southern Iraq.

A. that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence for centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East that were arising simultaneously with but
B. that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, yields strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East were arising simultaneously with but also
C. having been cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East were arising simultaneously but
D. cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, yields strong evidence of centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East arising simultaneously but also
E. cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East arose simultaneously with but
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Re: The first trenches that were cut into a 500-acre site at [#permalink] New post 22 Feb 2013, 07:07
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Can some one explain "why A is wrong"?.

E: States: Trenches cut into a 500-acre site . How can Trenches cut themselves?


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The first trenches that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence for centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East that were arising simultaneously with but independently of the more celebrated city-states of southern Mesopotamia, in what is now southern Iraq.

A. that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence for centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East that were arising simultaneously with but

(A) is incorrect because of two reasons, "evidence for" is incorrect and "that" in the relative clause "that were arising simultaneously.." may either refer to "northern regions" or "centrally administered societies". The correct answer choice (E) express this clearly and concisely.

"The trenches cut into a 500-acre" is not implying that the "The trenches" cut themselves.

For example.

The apple cut into four pieces is being loved by all.

Actually the sentence is saying "The apple that was cut into four pieces is being loved by all"

We can drop the "that was" part without changing the meaning of the sentence.

consider one more example: Both the sentences convey the same thing; however, the first one will be better because of concision.

The movies produced by Steven Spielberg are unique in their cinematographic techniques.

The movies that are produced by Steven Spielberg are unique in their cinematographic techniques.


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Re: The first trenches that were cut into a 500-acre site at [#permalink] New post 07 Apr 2013, 21:09
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i have doubt with option E.
"cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East arose simultaneously with but"
"The first trenches cut into........." is a clause.
I think cut is a verb for the subject "first trenches"......Now in the same sentence, another verb "have yielded" too stands fr the subject "The first trenches"
So my doubt is hwo can there be two verb fr the same subject, when there is no connector.

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"cut into a 500 acre ..." is a modifier. It modifies 'trenches' i.e. it tells you more about the trenches.
As pointed out by Vercules above, "cut into a 500 acre" can be replaced by "that were cut into a 500 acre". The meaning doesn't change but you can see clearly that "cut into..." is modifying trenches.
The verb is 'have yielded'.
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Re: The first trenches that were cut into a 500-acre site at [#permalink] New post 27 Feb 2014, 04:34
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The first trenches that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence for centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East that were arising simultaneously with but independently of the more celebrated city-states of southern Mesopotamia, in what is now southern Iraq.

A. that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence for centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East that were arising simultaneously with but
B. that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, yields strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East were arising simultaneously with but also
C. having been cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East were arising simultaneously but
D. cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, yields strong evidence of centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East arising simultaneously but also
E. cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East arose simultaneously with but



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that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence for centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East that were arising simultaneously with but

Does 2nd that modifies middle east?
Is it necessary that placement of that always modified the noun preceding it in this case it is middle east but logically it should be societies


Dear Ashish,

"That" is a relative pronoun. Relative pronouns take the number of the nouns they refer to. So, in some cases, the verb after "that" can give you a clue about what it is referring to. In this case, the verb is "were". So "that" cannot refer to the singular "Middle East".

So, it is not necessary for "that" to be immediately after the noun it refers to.

I hope this helps!

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Re: SC-first trenches [#permalink] New post 24 Aug 2010, 09:54
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"evidence for" is incorrect.
"that were arising" is incorrect, That is redundant here.

B:
S/V issue between trenches and yields

C:
"having been cut" is redundant
||ism issue simultaneously "with" but independently "of": so "with" is necessary to be parallel with "of"

D:
S/V issue between trenches and yields

E:
left with E as the correct answer
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 [#permalink] New post 28 Aug 2006, 10:09
(E) on this one.the first trenches cut into .... yield and not yields.Also it should be that centrally administered.
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 [#permalink] New post 28 Aug 2006, 10:20
E. cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East arose simultaneously with but

The first trenches ... yeilds...

The first trenches ... have yielded....

The usage of "yeilds" reads as if we expect a comparison to come later in the sentence with another trench, probably a second one.

The usage of "have yeilded" concludes the "first" trench and builds on things found in the first trench.

A has "that were cut" unnecessary.

C has "arising" .. incorrect.

Answer E.

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 [#permalink] New post 28 Aug 2006, 11:38
Caught between A and E.

A seems wordy.

E is concise.
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Re: SC-first trenches [#permalink] New post 28 Aug 2006, 11:46
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The first trenches that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence for centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East that were arising simultaneously with but independently of the more celebrated city-states of southern Mesopotamia, in what is now southern Iraq.

A. that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence for centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East that were arising simultaneously with but
B. that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, yields strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East were arising simultaneously with but also
C. having been cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East were arising simultaneously but
D. cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, yields strong evidence of centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East arising simultaneously but also
E. cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East arose simultaneously with but


Trenches is plural, so 'yields' is wrong - B, D are out.
-ing forms to be avoided unless necessary - C is out.
A is out for the same reason as C - 'were arising'.

E is the answer.
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Re: SC-first trenches [#permalink] New post 29 Jan 2011, 16:21
Can someone explain the idiom at the end of E, "complex societies in northern regions of the middle east arose simultaneously with but independently of the more celebrated..."

I can't think of when I have ever heard this idiom....with but...
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Re: SC-first trenches [#permalink] New post 29 Jan 2011, 18:14
E. 'have' in sync with 'trenches'; 'evidence that' is idiomatic; simple past usage is correct in 'arose'.
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Re: SC-first trenches [#permalink] New post 31 Jul 2011, 10:09
what about the idioms evidence for, evidence of, evidence that? Evidence of and evidence for are incorrect or should only be avoided?
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Re: SC-first trenches [#permalink] New post 02 Aug 2011, 10:19
Not sure about this. Was caught between A and E, but rejected E because of "arose".
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Re: The first trenches that were cut into a 500-acre site at [#permalink] New post 19 Feb 2013, 01:54
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The first trenches that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence for centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East that were arising simultaneously with but independently of the more celebrated city-states of southern Mesopotamia, in what is now southern Iraq.

A. that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence for centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East that were arising simultaneously with but
B. that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, yields strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East were arising simultaneously with but also
C. having been cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East were arising simultaneously but
D. cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, yields strong evidence of centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East arising simultaneously but also
E. cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East arose simultaneously with but



The first trenches call for a plural verb. Hence, B and D are out.
The sentence also meant that complex societies arose simultaneously with but independently. We need the preposition with. Hence, C is out.
Between A and E, that were cut is rather wordy compared to in E.

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Re: SC-first trenches [#permalink] New post 21 Feb 2013, 13:49
I don't think that is an idiom. It is used to signify two opposing ideas. Here simultaneously describes a property of arose. It tells us how the complex societies in northern regions of the middle east arose. It arose simultaneously with the city states of Mesopotamia. However, the part after but "independently of" tries to tell us that even though it grew along with the Mesopotamian states, its growth was independent of any help from Mesopotamia. Because they represent two contrasting ideas they are joined by a "but".

Hope this explains!

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I can't think of when I have ever heard this idiom....with but...

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Re: The first trenches that were cut into a 500-acre site at [#permalink] New post 22 Feb 2013, 06:33
Can some one explain "why A is wrong"?.

E: States: Trenches cut into a 500-acre site . How can Trenches cut themselves?
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Re: The first trenches that were cut into a 500-acre site at [#permalink] New post 07 Apr 2013, 10:58
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i have doubt with option E.
"cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East arose simultaneously with but"
"The first trenches cut into........." is a clause.
I think cut is a verb for the subject "first trenches"......Now in the same sentence, another verb "have yielded" too stands fr the subject "The first trenches"
So my doubt is hwo can there be two verb fr the same subject, when there is no connector.

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Re: The first trenches that were cut into a 500-acre site at [#permalink] New post 07 Apr 2013, 22:53
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"cut into a 500 acre ..." is a modifier. It modifies 'trenches' i.e. it tells you more about the trenches.


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I saw many posts but nobody mentions the use of modifier in this question. You're the fist and You're absolutely correct.
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Re: The first trenches that were cut into a 500-acre site at [#permalink] New post 15 Feb 2014, 21:55
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The first trenches that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence for centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East that were arising simultaneously with but independently of the more celebrated city-states of southern Mesopotamia, in what is now southern Iraq.

A. that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence for centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East that were arising simultaneously with but
B. that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, yields strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East were arising simultaneously with but also
C. having been cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East were arising simultaneously but
D. cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, yields strong evidence of centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East arising simultaneously but also
E. cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East arose simultaneously with but



In option A

that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence for centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East that were arising simultaneously with but

Does 2nd that modifies middle east?
Is it necessary that placement of that always modified the noun preceding it in this case it is middle east but logically it should be societies
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The first trenches that were cut into a 500-acre site at [#permalink] New post 08 Sep 2014, 22:17
Hi e-gmat,

As explained in the video explanation in the portal, there is no mention of the two related events .

"were cut" and "were arising".

trenches were cut
societies were arising

Were arising should "describe an ongoing event when the other event occurred".

However, here logically we know that since the trenches provide evidence of the distant past there is no need for progressive tense to keep the sentence simple.

Societies arose is correct and coincidentally it is correct in correct choice too.

However, is above the valid reason to conduct POE as this reason is not mentioned in video explanation @portal.

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