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Great debrief. Good luck with your applications!

One problem I've while practicing questions is that I keep thinking that I've to crack the question in less than a minutes and develop a lot of stress killing myself. Further the last time I prepared for the test I prepared a lot without taking adequate breaks. Did you encounter any such situation? How did you handle it?
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Hi Joseph,

Yes, I did encounter this problem during initial stages of my preparation. I used to practice about 40-50 problems daily under timed conditions. I recorded my timing section-wise daily in an excel sheet. Practicing in this manner over a few months made me accustomed to the time stress; my ability to concentrate on the problems improved over time. The time stress was still working at the background, but it was no longer hindering me concentrate on the problem. I suggest that you do not try to eliminate the stress; the stress is required to make your mind work fast; just get accustomed to the stress by practicing a lot of problems, accept it.

Subsequently I started taking full-length tests. A timing strategy started developing in me for the tests: While the time stress was still working for each problem subconsciously, I was not consciously tracking the time after completing each of the problems. I just aimed at completing half the problems at the 37th minute, my first milestone; If I found myself lagging at this milestone, I would start guessing every second problem, NOT consecutive ones, till I catch up with 2 minutes per problem time frame. My next milestone used to be 20 minutes-10 problem milestone. I would start guessing every second problem again if I found myself lagging at this point. The 3rd and final milestone was 10minutes -5 problem point; from there onwards (for the final 10 minutes) I used to track time consciously till the end of the section.

As for 'not taking breaks during preparation', I would compare exercising the brain with exercising other muscles of the body. Over-exercising over a brief period is perhaps less beneficial than exercising in moderate amount regularly over a long period of time.
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I just aimed at completing half the problems at the 37th minute, my first milestone; If I found myself lagging at this milestone, I would start guessing every second problem, NOT consecutive ones, till I catch up with 2 minutes per problem time frame. My next milestone used to be 20 minutes-10 problem milestone. I would start guessing every second problem again if I found myself lagging at this point. The 3rd and final milestone was 10minutes -5 problem point; from there onwards (for the final 10 minutes) I used to track time consciously till the end of the section.


I like this strategy. It is very important to not panic and miss too many questions when you are behind time and it is important to spread out the questions you are guessing from the middle to the end of the section! I'll try this! :) Thank you

And yes on the stress part I think I'm taking a little more stress than necessary. I'll have to monitor it. I'm trying the app you suggested. Hope it works for me too! :)

Thanks for your insights!
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Thanks for sharing your experience in such detail.Hope it helps me with my GMAT :)
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Hi,
Could you also tell us ,how did you prepare Quant i see u have really good score in quant too.
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Could you also tell us ,how did you prepare Quant i see u have really good score in quant too.


If you let me know your email id, I shall send my error logs, summaries and time logs. I am unable to upload those files here. Hope those files will help.
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This is my response to a PM asking for an overall study plan:

Study plan:

1. Manhattan SC and Manhattan FDP, Alg: read all chapters, make your own summary and solve the exercises.

2. a. Manhattan CR, and Manhattan Geom, Number properties: read all chapters, make your own summary and solve the exercises.
2. b. Simultaneously solve the OG13 problems on SC, PS/DS ( FDP, Alg: chapterwise list at the end of Manhattan book) : maintain error log and time log

3. a. Manhattan RC, and Manhattan Word problems: read all chapters, make your own summary and solve the exercises.
3. b. Simultaneously solve the OG13 problems on CR, PS/DS ( Geom, Number properties: chapterwise list at the end of Manhattan book) : maintain error log and time log

4. a. Manhattan AWA and IR : read all chapters, make your own summary and solve the exercises.
4. b. Simultaneously solve the OG13 problems on RC, PS/DS ( word problems: chapterwise list at the end of Manhattan book) : maintain error log and time log

5. a. Take GMATprep test 1 and test 2 ( full-length - do no skip any section)
5. b. Simultaneously solve free 90 questions on GMATprep software

6. a. Solve all the problems in your error log.
6. b. Take Veritas prep 7 tests and Manhattan 6 tests ( 2 tests a week - full-length - do not skip any section)

7. a. Take GMATprep test 3 and test 4 ( full-length - do no skip any section) (exam pack 1)
7. b. Simultaneously solve ~400 questions on GMATprep software (question pack 1).
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Thanks for the debrief and congrats for the great score :-)
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Incredible story - definitely never too old to crack GMAT. Such a detailed de-brief thats really helpful.

Would it be possible if I PM you and share my study plan and ask your advise regarding verbal?
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Hi Joseph,

Yes, I did encounter this problem during initial stages of my preparation. I used to practice about 40-50 problems daily under timed conditions. I recorded my timing section-wise daily in an excel sheet. Practicing in this manner over a few months made me accustomed to the time stress; my ability to concentrate on the problems improved over time. The time stress was still working at the background, but it was no longer hindering me concentrate on the problem. I suggest that you do not try to eliminate the stress; the stress is required to make your mind work fast; just get accustomed to the stress by practicing a lot of problems, accept it.

Subsequently I started taking full-length tests. A timing strategy started developing in me for the tests: While the time stress was still working for each problem subconsciously, I was not consciously tracking the time after completing each of the problems. I just aimed at completing half the problems at the 37th minute, my first milestone; If I found myself lagging at this milestone, I would start guessing every second problem, NOT consecutive ones, till I catch up with 2 minutes per problem time frame. My next milestone used to be 20 minutes-10 problem milestone. I would start guessing every second problem again if I found myself lagging at this point. The 3rd and final milestone was 10minutes -5 problem point; from there onwards (for the final 10 minutes) I used to track time consciously till the end of the section.

As for 'not taking breaks during preparation', I would compare exercising the brain with exercising other muscles of the body. Over-exercising over a brief period is perhaps less beneficial than exercising in moderate amount regularly over a long period of time.


Hey man, saw that you had a very well-tested strategy for approaching the test and for timing yourself. Amazing job! Wanted to know if you had to guess any questions on the actual test in order to catch up with the time according to your strategy?

This is to know if conscious guessing midway to save time still fetches a 780
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Hi Joseph,

Yes, I did encounter this problem during initial stages of my preparation. I used to practice about 40-50 problems daily under timed conditions. I recorded my timing section-wise daily in an excel sheet. Practicing in this manner over a few months made me accustomed to the time stress; my ability to concentrate on the problems improved over time. The time stress was still working at the background, but it was no longer hindering me concentrate on the problem. I suggest that you do not try to eliminate the stress; the stress is required to make your mind work fast; just get accustomed to the stress by practicing a lot of problems, accept it.

Subsequently I started taking full-length tests. A timing strategy started developing in me for the tests: While the time stress was still working for each problem subconsciously, I was not consciously tracking the time after completing each of the problems. I just aimed at completing half the problems at the 37th minute, my first milestone; If I found myself lagging at this milestone, I would start guessing every second problem, NOT consecutive ones, till I catch up with 2 minutes per problem time frame. My next milestone used to be 20 minutes-10 problem milestone. I would start guessing every second problem again if I found myself lagging at this point. The 3rd and final milestone was 10minutes -5 problem point; from there onwards (for the final 10 minutes) I used to track time consciously till the end of the section.

As for 'not taking breaks during preparation', I would compare exercising the brain with exercising other muscles of the body. Over-exercising over a brief period is perhaps less beneficial than exercising in moderate amount regularly over a long period of time.


Hey man, saw that you had a very well-tested strategy for approaching the test and for timing yourself. Amazing job! Wanted to know if you had to guess any questions on the actual test in order to catch up with the time according to your strategy?

This is to know if conscious guessing midway to save time still fetches a 780


Yes, I did... in fact guessing is a useful tool to save time ...... when one is doing good, really good, the adaptive software throws some untouchable questions - recognising such questions fast (within 5-10 seconds) is a very useful strategy - guess blind and go ahead, don't even attempt to read the answer choices. I had the luck of getting such insane questions towards the end of my self-set time blocks - I was pre-determined to guess and hence took less than 5 seconds to click and move ahead.
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sayantanc2k wrote:
Hi Joseph,

Yes, I did encounter this problem during initial stages of my preparation. I used to practice about 40-50 problems daily under timed conditions. I recorded my timing section-wise daily in an excel sheet. Practicing in this manner over a few months made me accustomed to the time stress; my ability to concentrate on the problems improved over time. The time stress was still working at the background, but it was no longer hindering me concentrate on the problem. I suggest that you do not try to eliminate the stress; the stress is required to make your mind work fast; just get accustomed to the stress by practicing a lot of problems, accept it.

Subsequently I started taking full-length tests. A timing strategy started developing in me for the tests: While the time stress was still working for each problem subconsciously, I was not consciously tracking the time after completing each of the problems. I just aimed at completing half the problems at the 37th minute, my first milestone; If I found myself lagging at this milestone, I would start guessing every second problem, NOT consecutive ones, till I catch up with 2 minutes per problem time frame. My next milestone used to be 20 minutes-10 problem milestone. I would start guessing every second problem again if I found myself lagging at this point. The 3rd and final milestone was 10minutes -5 problem point; from there onwards (for the final 10 minutes) I used to track time consciously till the end of the section.

As for 'not taking breaks during preparation', I would compare exercising the brain with exercising other muscles of the body. Over-exercising over a brief period is perhaps less beneficial than exercising in moderate amount regularly over a long period of time.


Hey man, saw that you had a very well-tested strategy for approaching the test and for timing yourself. Amazing job! Wanted to know if you had to guess any questions on the actual test in order to catch up with the time according to your strategy?

This is to know if conscious guessing midway to save time still fetches a 780


Yes, I did... in fact guessing is a useful tool to save time ...... when one is doing good, really good, the adaptive software throws some untouchable questions - recognising such questions fast (within 5-10 seconds) is a very useful strategy - guess blind and go ahead, don't even attempt to read the answer choices. I had the luck of getting such insane questions towards the end of my self-set time blocks - I was pre-determined to guess and hence took less than 5 seconds to click and move ahead.


Ah thanks for that insight! Another useful piece of info would be how many deliberate guesses would you try to limit yourself to? Both for Quant and for Verbal.
It seems to me that the test's format makes it imperative to have a good guessing strategy and your's seems quite efficient. Also, if I might anticipate, your strategy on verbal was to deliberately guess only on the SC and CR questions? - since RCs might be quicker once you've done the bulk of your reading.
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Hi Sayantan
Thanks for your debrief.
Can we guess any RC passage and still get around 40 in verbal? Can RC passage be experimental too ?
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Well Sayantan
I am 30+ and you cracked it post your 40's.Feeling lot younger and confident now.. 8-) :!:

Regards,
Abhishek Sinha

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This is my response to a PM asking for an overall study plan:

Study plan:

1. Manhattan SC and Manhattan FDP, Alg: read all chapters, make your own summary and solve the exercises.

2. a. Manhattan CR, and Manhattan Geom, Number properties: read all chapters, make your own summary and solve the exercises.
2. b. Simultaneously solve the OG13 problems on SC, PS/DS ( FDP, Alg: chapterwise list at the end of Manhattan book) : maintain error log and time log

3. a. Manhattan RC, and Manhattan Word problems: read all chapters, make your own summary and solve the exercises.
3. b. Simultaneously solve the OG13 problems on CR, PS/DS ( Geom, Number properties: chapterwise list at the end of Manhattan book) : maintain error log and time log

4. a. Manhattan AWA and IR : read all chapters, make your own summary and solve the exercises.
4. b. Simultaneously solve the OG13 problems on RC, PS/DS ( word problems: chapterwise list at the end of Manhattan book) : maintain error log and time log

5. a. Take GMATprep test 1 and test 2 ( full-length - do no skip any section)
5. b. Simultaneously solve free 90 questions on GMATprep software

6. a. Solve all the problems in your error log.
6. b. Take Veritas prep 7 tests and Manhattan 6 tests ( 2 tests a week - full-length - do not skip any section)

7. a. Take GMATprep test 3 and test 4 ( full-length - do no skip any section) (exam pack 1)
7. b. Simultaneously solve ~400 questions on GMATprep software (question pack 1).
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I turned 41 today and take this as a positive sign.

Thank You for inspiring me.
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Many happy returns of the day :)

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Many Happy returns of the day.....

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