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NA song bird diet mainly consist of insects

In autumn they migrate to Central and South America where their
diet is exclusively wild berries

wild berries are low in calories

the possible reason could be it has some other nutrients that they need for migartion that insect lacks.Conclusion


we have to find a reason other than nutrients to explain the birds eating habit.


Option C : this gives a counter opinion for the conclusion ,since the calories expelled was more for insect catching , the birds feed on wild berries
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Most of the year, the hermit thrush, a North American songbird, eats a diet consisting mainly of insects, but in autumn, as the thrushes migrate to their Central and South American wintering grounds, they feed almost exclusively on wild berries. Wild berries, however, are not as rich in calories as insects, yet thrushes need to consume plenty of calories in order to complete their migration. One possible explanation is that berries contain other nutrients that thrushes need for migration and that insects lack.

Which of the following, if true, most seriously calls into question the explanation given for the thrush’s diet during migration‘?



Thrush : Most of the year---> Insects
Thrush : Autumn ------------> Wild Berries
Calories : Wild Berries < Insects
So , Thrushes need plenty of Wild Berries to complete their migration.
Possible reason : Berries contain other nutrients not found in Wild Berries


Prethink : What's the reason that Thrushs consume only Wild Berries not Insects during migration ? Check the answers -

A. Hermit thrushes, [color=#ff0000]if undernourished, are unable to complete their autumn migration before the onset of winter.

Out of scope , this options talks about undernourishment.

B. Insect species contain certain nutrients that are not found in Wild berries.

Out of scope , this options talks about other nutrients which is not under discussion in the present context.

C. For songbirds, catching insects requires the expenditure of significantly more calories than eating wild berries does.

Calorie Used : Catching Insects > Eating wild berries ; for same calorific intake...

Say 10 KCAL of Energy is consumed ...

Catching Insects = 4KCAL
Eating wild berries = 3 KCAL
Energy Requirement for flight = 5KCAL

Keeping in mind that the bird requires energy for flight it is definitely beneficial for the bird to use it economically and consume high calorie food/nutrients...

D. Along the hermit thrushes’ migration routes, insects are abundant throughout the migration season.

So, why do the birds not catch insects ? Can not weaken the conclusion.

E. There are some species of wild berries that hermit thrushes generally do not eat, even though these berry species are exceptionally rich in calories.

Completely out of scope and irrelevant under present context..

Hence IMHO definitely with (C)
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C is the unopposed winner

Insect gives 100 calorie; Catching insect requires bird to lose 40 calorie. (Finding insect, Flying, then chasing insect, then breaking its shell).
Birds net calorie gain from insect 100-40=60 calorie

Berries gives only 80 calories, But finding berry requires 10 calorie. Find a tree and hop and hop and eat as much as you like without any problem.
Birds Calorie gain from berries 80-10=70 calorie.

Therefore the songbird eats only berries to gain as much calorie as they can. Chasing and catching insect is not viable for songbirds.
What option reconfirms our conclusion

C. For songbirds, catching insects requires the expenditure of significantly more calories than eating wild berries does.


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Most of the year, the hermit thrush, a North American songbird, eats a diet consisting mainly of insects, but in autumn, as the thrushes migrate to their Central and South American wintering grounds, they feed almost exclusively on wild berries. Wild berries, however, are not as rich in calories as insects, yet thrushes need to consume plenty of calories in order to complete their migration. One possible explanation is that berries contain other nutrients that thrushes need for migration and that insects lack.

Which of the following, if true, most seriously calls into question the explanation given for the thrush’s diet during migration‘?

A. Hermit thrushes, if undernourished, are unable to complete their autumn migration before the onset of winter.

B. Insect species contain certain nutrients that are not found in Wild berries.

C. For songbirds, catching insects requires the expenditure of significantly more calories than eating wild berries does.

D. Along the hermit thrushes’ migration routes, insects are abundant throughout the migration season.

E. There are some species of wild berries that hermit thrushes generally do not eat, even though these berry species are exceptionally rich in calories.

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Most of the year, the hermit thrush, a North American songbird, eats a diet consisting mainly of insects, but in autumn, as the thrushes migrate to their Central and South American wintering grounds, they feed almost exclusively on wild berries. Wild berries, however, are not as rich in calories as insects, yet thrushes need to consume plenty of calories in order to complete their migration. One possible explanation is that berries contain other nutrients that thrushes need for migration and that insects lack.

Which of the following, if true, most seriously calls into question the explanation given for the thrush’s diet during migration‘?

A. Hermit thrushes, if undernourished, are unable to complete their autumn migration before the onset of winter.

B. Insect species contain certain nutrients that are not found in Wild berries.

C. For songbirds, catching insects requires the expenditure of significantly more calories than eating wild berries does.

D. Along the hermit thrushes’ migration routes, insects are abundant throughout the migration season.

E. There are some species of wild berries that hermit thrushes generally do not eat, even though these berry species are exceptionally rich in calories.

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ChiranjeevSingh , Why is option D wrong here ? If birds find insects on route , then probabaly the calories gained to complete migration are not from berries but from Insects.

Although C is a promising answer , question specifically asks for diet's during migration ? While option C indicated the situation before Migration. Also when birds about to start their journey, they need to accumulate certain value of calories say 100J , no matter how much they spend calories during accumulation process.

Please help !
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Why is option D wrong here ? If birds find insects on route , then probabaly the calories gained to complete migration are not from berries but from Insects.


Option D is wrong because OG says so! :P

The point we are trying to explain here is why don't they eat insects in autumn. Right? We are not saying that they don't eat insects in North America; we are saying that they don't eat insects at all in autumn! And now option D tries to explain so by saying that they have insects during their routes! Wow! Then, why don't they eat them? We're stuck on the same question!

AbhiGarg2007 wrote:
Although C is a promising answer , question specifically asks for diet's during migration ?

While option C indicated the situation before Migration.


Nowhere does option C indicate that it is about "before migration". or am I missing something?

AbhiGarg2007 wrote:
Also when birds about to start their journey, they need to accumulate certain value of calories say 100J , no matter how much they spend calories during accumulation process. Please help !


Is it? Energy expended doesn't matter? If you eat 100J and spend 100J, then how much do you have left?

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Most of the year, the hermit thrush, a North American songbird, eats a diet consisting mainly of insects, but in autumn, as the thrushes migrate to their Central and South American wintering grounds, they feed almost exclusively on wild berries. Wild berries, however, are not as rich in calories as insects, yet thrushes need to consume plenty of calories in order to complete their migration. One possible explanation is that berries contain other nutrients that thrushes need for migration and that insects lack.

Which of the following, if true, most seriously calls into question the explanation given for the thrush’s diet during migration‘?

A. Hermit thrushes, if undernourished, are unable to complete their autumn migration before the onset of winter.

B. Insect species contain certain nutrients that are not found in Wild berries.

C. For songbirds, catching insects requires the expenditure of significantly more calories than eating wild berries does.

D. Along the hermit thrushes’ migration routes, insects are abundant throughout the migration season.


E. There are some species of wild berries that hermit thrushes generally do not eat, even though these berry species are exceptionally rich in calories.

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The logic of the question is why the birds prefer to eat wild berries when they need very large amounts of energy while migrating .
We have show that this particular behavior is the most efficient one


C gives us the reason why birds prefer to eat wild berries when they migrate they reduce their energy by not catching insects .
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Can you explain why options D and E are wrong and C is correct?
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What i need to find - During Migration Thrush doesn’t eats wild berries just because berries got more other nutrients .

option Analysis -
A. Where is berries explanation
B. ok still why berries ?
C. That explains
D. then why berries ?
E. some right… May be exceptions here
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Most of the year, the hermit thrush, a North American songbird, eats a diet consisting mainly of insects, but in autumn, as the thrushes migrate to their Central and South American wintering grounds, they feed almost exclusively on wild berries. Wild berries, however, are not as rich in calories as insects, yet thrushes need to consume plenty of calories in order to complete their migration. One possible explanation is that berries contain other nutrients that thrushes need for migration and that insects lack.

Which of the following, if true, most seriously calls into question the explanation given for the thrush’s diet during migration?

Pre-thinking
The author's assumption here is that the hermit thrush eats the same amount of berries and insects. But since the thrush needs plenty of energies for migration there must be some extra nutrients in berries than in insects otherwise it will be unlikely that the thrush will complete migrations.

Our task is to weaken this reasoning.
#1 Let's say that the hermit thrush when migrating eats double the amount it usually eats when he normally eats insects.

This clearly weakens the author reasoning because now we can see how the thrush could eat even more calories than when eating insects.


#2Think also about energy consumption in a more specific way for the thrush. When does it consume energy? It consumes energy when it migrates and when it hunts for food. Now probably chasing insects requires more energies than finding berries (note that could also be the reverse scenario. this is just a case). So this would suggest that even if berries have fewer calories than insects and even if the thrush eats the same amount of berries and insects the total energy consumption might be the same



(A) Hermit thrushes, if undernourished, are unable to complete their autumn migration before the onset of winter.
We are concerned with proving or disproving that berries have certain nutrients that insects don't have. Hence this choice is irrelevant and incorrect

(B) Insect species contain certain nutrients that are not found in wild berries.
This is a point in favor for the insects but definitely it does not weaken the conclusion. Hence incorrect

(C) For songbirds, catching insects requires the expenditure of significantly more calories than eating wild berries does.
Don't fall into the trap "wrong entity hence wrong answer" because hermit thrushes are songbirds. This choice suggests that the energy consumption made for eating insects is higher than the one for eating berries. Hence this is another possible explanation and no extra nutrients are needed for the thrush to migrate. Hence correct

(D) Along the hermit thrushes’ migration routes, insects are abundant throughout the migration season.
We are already told that thrushes during migration are going to eat only berries. So this information goes against the information of the argument. Hence incorrect

(E) There are some species of wild berries that hermit thrushes generally do not eat, even though these berry species are exceptionally rich in calories.
if they don't eat them these berries are outside of our concern
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Migration requires thrushes to consume a lots of calories. During migration, thrushes exclusively depends on Wild berries. Despite not being rich in calories as insects, thrushes contain other nutrients needed during migration that insects lack. One evident gap here is that the author is assuming that the nutrients that wild berries contain and insects lack and are required for migration, can compensate for the 'calories' required to complete the migration.

Which of the following, if true, most seriously calls into question the explanation given for the thrush’s diet during migration?


(A) Hermit thrushes, if undernourished, are unable to complete their autumn migration before the onset of winter - We don't know whether consuming Wild berries would be sufficient nourishment for Hermit thrushes to complete the migration. Thus it doesn't call into question the explanation given for thrush's diet during migration. Reject

(B) Insect species contain certain nutrients that are not found in wild berries - Question asks to cast doubt on the explanation to 'why despite not being rich in calories, wild berries form a part of diet for thrushes during migration in autumn'. This answer choice doesn't address this point. Reject

(C) For songbirds, catching insects requires the expenditure of significantly more calories than eating wild berries does - Thus the songbirds are saving energy (calories) by eating wild berries. Though insects are calorie-rich source for the songbirds, during migration if the expenditure of calories is more for catching insects, then it would limit the calories required for migration. Maybe this is the reason to exclusively depend on Wild berries. Despite providing less calories as compared to consuming insects, thrushes also spent less calorie to eat wild berries, thus overall having more calories for migration. This gives us an alternate explanation and thus calls into question the explanation given for thrush's diet during migration. In other words, it is not that berries contain nutrients that insects lack is the reason for thrushes to eat berries, but instead the reason for thrushes to eat berries is the calorie-savings.

(D) Along the hermit thrushes’ migration routes, insects are abundant throughout the migration season - This distracts us by saying that insects are abundant along the hermit thrushes' migration routes. Are wild berries abundant as well? We don't know. - Reject

(E) There are some species of wild berries that hermit thrushes generally do not eat, even though these berry species are exceptionally rich in calories. - This is a general fact about the diet of hermit thrushes. We do not know whether these species of wild berries are available during autumn. Also, the question asks to cast doubt on the explanation that stated preference of wild berries over insects and not over other species of wild berries. - Reject
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Could you explain the below?

The first sentence (PREMISE) and Option-C are contradicting.
"Most of the year, the hermit thrush, a North American songbird, eats a diet consisting mainly of insects" -> If most of the year, hermit thrush is able to spend calories to catch & eat insects, then it is contradicting option-(C)'s alternate explanation..
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Could you explain the below?

The first sentence (PREMISE) and Option-C are contradicting.
"Most of the year, the hermit thrush, a North American songbird, eats a diet consisting mainly of insects" -> If most of the year, hermit thrush is able to spend calories to catch & eat insects, then it is contradicting option-(C)'s alternate explanation..


Hello Lohit,
Let me help you here!


The wild berries diet belongs to a season where the thrushes need to complete their migration. What option C indicates is that the wild berries, even though they contain lesser calories than insects, do not demand energy expenditure to find and consume. So, it is probable that the net calories added by the thrushes through the wild berry diet are the same as or even higher than the insect diet. Thus, it provides an alternate cause instead of the conclusion as an explanation to the behaviour of eating berries.

Hope this clarifies the case!
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Conclusion: thrushes feed almost exclusively on wild berries, however, not as rich in calories as insects, yet thrushes need to consume plenty of calories in order to complete their migration.

Now it is saying Wild berries are bad, insects are good.
To weaken: You need to find a reason that wild berries are good, insect are bad.

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Are Choices (A) and (B) just simply put... out of scope? If anything, Choice (B) could even be seen as a weakener, correct?

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Are Choices (A) and (B) just simply put... out of scope? If anything, Choice (B) could even be seen as a weakener, correct?

Thank you in advance :)

Well choice (B) does not really change the scenario. The passage says that berries contain other nutrient that insects lack. What (B) says, that insects contain nutrients that berries lack doesn't make any difference since the thrushes have been eating insects and thus have consumed those nutrients.

Also, (A) helps to explain why the thrushes need the nutrients. We don't need an explanation though. We need a weakener.
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ThatDudeKnows MartyTargetTestPrep GMATNinja anish @gmatextensive here why are we looking for an alternate explanation? We already that the passage gives us one "possible" explanation so it leaves room for other explanations too. egmat

ALos what exactly is the conclusion? Very hard to figure.

Why not B
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ALos what exactly is the conclusion? Very hard to figure.

The conclusion is "One possible explanation is that berries contain other nutrients that thrushes need for migration and that insects lack."

It's not a firm conclusion that that explanation it the correct one, but it's the only conclusion presented by the passage.

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here why are we looking for an alternate explanation? We already that the passage gives us one "possible" explanation so it leaves room for other explanations too.

The question asks us to find the choice that "most seriously calls into question the explanation given for the thrush’s diet during migration."

Even though the passage terms the explanation offered "one possible explanation," a choice that provides a rather plausible alternative explanation still serves to call into question the explanation offered by the passage. In other words, the existence of a plausible alternative explanation makes it less probable that the "possible explanation" offered by the passage is the correct one.
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