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07 Mar 2010, 06:18
Gents,

An easier way to solve this prob is thru basic geometry if anyone interested. An illustration will explain better but if you draw a (perpendicular) line between the center of the circle to the line y = 3/4*x - 3, you get a 3,4,5 right triangle where the longest edge is 4cm long. 4/5*3 minus r of the circle (1) is equal to 1.4, the least possible distance.

Edit: oppps already done w/ illustration!
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01 Apr 2010, 07:45
thanx man,

this is very usefull,

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3. LEAP YEAR:
How many randomly assembled people are needed to have a better than 50% probability that at least 1 of them was born in a leap year?

A. 1
B. 2
C. 3
D. 4
E. 5

Probability of a randomly selected person NOT to be born in a leap year=3/4
Among 2 people, probability that none of them was born in a leap = 3/4*3/4=9/16. The probability at least one born in leap = 1- 9/16=7/16<1/2
So, we are looking for such n (# of people), when 1-(3/4)^n>1/2
n=3 --> 1-27/64=37/64>1/2

Thus min 3 people are needed.

Well, I have a different approach, if youhave time crunch and u want to try GUESS. As the question asked -
How many randomly assembled people are needed to have a better than 50% probability that at least 1 of them was born in a leap year

So, we need an odd number of people to select from so that the prob > 50%. This leds to choice A, C and E. 1 can't be the number. So, if we take 3 (minimum is needed) then we will have 2 people
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Bunuel wrote:
7. THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE CIRCLE AND THE LINE:
What is the least possible distance between a point on the circle x^2 + y^2 = 1 and a point on the line y = 3/4*x - 3?

A) 1.4
B) sqrt (2)
C) 1.7
D) sqrt (3)
E) 2.0

This problem can be solved much quicker using the right triangles.
Note that line y = 3/4*x - 3, x-axis and y-axis form a 3:4:5 type triangle.
now, there are 2 quick ways to solve it from here:
1) using similar triangles - perpendicular to line y = 3/4*x - 3 creates two triangles similar to the original one , hence the length of the perpendicular can be calculated
or 2) using formula for the area of the triangle (a=1/2hieght x base) - we know area is 6 (4x3/2=6) and we know base is 5, so plug this into the formula and we get 12/5 or 2,4 for the height, which is also the length of the perpendicular we were looking for.
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29 Jul 2010, 03:10
thanks brunel.. good collection!
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30 Jul 2010, 13:41
Nice one, thanks for this challenge.
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16 Aug 2010, 07:14
thanks for the post.
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08 Sep 2010, 12:20
Thanks for the tough problems!
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09 Sep 2010, 10:52
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23 Sep 2010, 13:03
Bunuel wrote:
Vyacheslav wrote:
7. THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE CIRCLE AND THE LINE:
What is the least possible distance between a point on the circle x^2 + y^2 = 1 and a point on the line y = 3/4*x - 3?

A) 1.4
B) sqrt (2)
C) 1.7
D) sqrt (3)
E) 2.0

I find useful to roughly draw such questions. You can instantly recognize that line y=3/4*x-3 and axises form a right triangle with sides 3 and 4, on Y-axis and X-axis respectively. The hypotenuse lies on the line y=3/4*x-3 and equals 5 (Pythagorean Triple). The closest distance from any point to line is perpendicular from that point to line. Perpendicular to the hypotenuse (from origin in this case) will always divide the triangle into two triangles with the same properties as the original triangle. So, lets perpendicular will $$x$$, then

$$\frac{x}{3}=\frac{4}{5}$$ and $$x=3*\frac{4}{5}=\frac{12}{5}=2,4$$

To find distance from point on circle to line we should substract lenth of radius from lenth of perpendicular: 2,4-1=1,4

Unfortunately, I cannot attach illustration. But if you draw this problem (even roughly), you will find it really easy to solve.

Excellent! +1.

For those who don't know the distance formula (which is in fact very rarely tested) this is the easiest and most elegant solution.

Bunuel,
Could you please provide the formula that is rarely tested? I want to be prepared in case I face such a question and the trick with triangles does not work due to some mistery
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23 Sep 2010, 13:14
Financier wrote:
Bunuel wrote:
Vyacheslav wrote:
7. THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE CIRCLE AND THE LINE:
What is the least possible distance between a point on the circle x^2 + y^2 = 1 and a point on the line y = 3/4*x - 3?

A) 1.4
B) sqrt (2)
C) 1.7
D) sqrt (3)
E) 2.0

I find useful to roughly draw such questions. You can instantly recognize that line y=3/4*x-3 and axises form a right triangle with sides 3 and 4, on Y-axis and X-axis respectively. The hypotenuse lies on the line y=3/4*x-3 and equals 5 (Pythagorean Triple). The closest distance from any point to line is perpendicular from that point to line. Perpendicular to the hypotenuse (from origin in this case) will always divide the triangle into two triangles with the same properties as the original triangle. So, lets perpendicular will $$x$$, then

$$\frac{x}{3}=\frac{4}{5}$$ and $$x=3*\frac{4}{5}=\frac{12}{5}=2,4$$

To find distance from point on circle to line we should substract lenth of radius from lenth of perpendicular: 2,4-1=1,4

Unfortunately, I cannot attach illustration. But if you draw this problem (even roughly), you will find it really easy to solve.

Excellent! +1.

For those who don't know the distance formula (which is in fact very rarely tested) this is the easiest and most elegant solution.

Bunuel,
Could you please provide the formula that is rarely tested? I want to be prepared in case I face such a question and the trick with triangles does not work due to some mistery

tough-tricky-set-of-problms-85211.html#p638361

Two solutions: one with the formula you mentioned another with triangle.
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02 Oct 2010, 00:09
Bunuel wrote:
SOLUTION OF 8-10

9. PROBABILITY OF INTEGER BEING DIVISIBLE BY 8:
If n is an integer from 1 to 96 (inclusive), what is the probability for n*(n+1)*(n+2) being divisible by 8?

A. 25%
B 50%
C 62.5%
D. 72.5%
E. 75%

N=n*(n+1)*(n+2)

N is divisible by 8 in two cases:
When n is even:
No of even numbers (between 1 and 96)=48
AND
When n+1 is divisible by 8. -->n=8p-1 --> 8p-1<=96 --> p=12.3 --> 12 such nembers

Total=48+12=60

Probability=60/96=0.62

Thanks /bunuel
Your posts really help strengthen ones fundas!

I have a query regarding the above question.
This is the way I approached it and I got a different answer

Probability that a given no. is divisible by 8(in 1 to 8) is 1/8 (because only 8 is divisible by 8 in values ranging from 1 to 8)
So, for (n)*(n+1)*(n+2)
(For 1 to 8) For n=6,7,8, the above sequence will be divisible by 8, therefore probability that given sequence to be divisible by 8 for first 8 numbers is 3/8
Now this will hold good for first 16 numbers also
it will be 6/16
similarly for first 96 numbers it should be 36/96 which is 3/8 ...37.5%
That is my answer 3/8. or 37.5%.....But it jus t doesnt seem to be working at all any help on this?
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02 Oct 2010, 00:17
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Bunuel wrote:
SOLUTION OF 8-10

9. PROBABILITY OF INTEGER BEING DIVISIBLE BY 8:
If n is an integer from 1 to 96 (inclusive), what is the probability for n*(n+1)*(n+2) being divisible by 8?

A. 25%
B 50%
C 62.5%
D. 72.5%
E. 75%

N=n*(n+1)*(n+2)

N is divisible by 8 in two cases:
When n is even:
No of even numbers (between 1 and 96)=48
AND
When n+1 is divisible by 8. -->n=8p-1 --> 8p-1<=96 --> p=12.3 --> 12 such nembers

Total=48+12=60

Probability=60/96=0.62

Thanks /bunuel
Your posts really help strengthen ones fundas!

I have a query regarding the above question.
This is the way I approached it and I got a different answer

Probability that a given no. is divisible by 8(in 1 to 8) is 1/8 (because only 8 is divisible by 8 in values ranging from 1 to 8)
So, for (n)*(n+1)*(n+2)
(For 1 to 8) For n=6,7,8, the above sequence will be divisible by 8, therefore probability that given sequence to be divisible by 8 for first 8 numbers is 3/8
Now this will hold good for first 16 numbers also
it will be 6/16
similarly for first 96 numbers it should be 36/96 which is 3/8 ...37.5%
That is my answer 3/8. or 37.5%.....But it jus t doesnt seem to be working at all any help on this?

Okay, got my mistake.
I am missing out on cases like 4*5*6 which is divisible by 8 indirectly.
This one truly was tricky! Thanks
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9. PROBABILITY OF INTEGER BEING DIVISIBLE BY 8:
If n is an integer from 1 to 96 (inclusive), what is the probability for n*(n+1)*(n+2) being divisible by 8?

A. 25%
B 50%
C 62.5%
D. 72.5%
E. 75%

N=n*(n+1)*(n+2)

N is divisible by 8 in two cases:
When n is even:
No of even numbers (between 1 and 96)=48
AND
When n+1 is divisible by 8. -->n=8p-1 --> 8p-1<=96 --> p=12.3 --> 12 such nembers

Total=48+12=60

Probability=60/96=0.62

my doubt is total even numbers is 48 + 12 , but the 12 numbers divisible by 8 already included in 48 . so why de we need to add 12

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9. PROBABILITY OF INTEGER BEING DIVISIBLE BY 8:
If n is an integer from 1 to 96 (inclusive), what is the probability for n*(n+1)*(n+2) being divisible by 8?

A. 25%
B 50%
C 62.5%
D. 72.5%
E. 75%

N=n*(n+1)*(n+2)

N is divisible by 8 in two cases:
When n is even:
No of even numbers (between 1 and 96)=48
AND
When n+1 is divisible by 8. -->n=8p-1 --> 8p-1<=96 --> p=12.3 --> 12 such nembers

Total=48+12=60

Probability=60/96=0.62

my doubt is total even numbers is 48 + 12 , but the 12 numbers divisible by 8 already included in 48 . so why de we need to add 12

See the bold part in the end of the solution:

$$n(n+1)(n+2)$$ is divisible by 8 in two cases:

1. When $$n$$ is even:
$$n=2k$$ --> $$n(n+1)(n+2)=2k(2k+1)(2k+2)=4k(2k+1)(k+1)$$ --> either $$k$$ or $$k+1$$ is even so 8 is a multiple of $$n(n+1)(n+2)$$.

# of even numbers between 1 and 96, inclusive is $$\frac{96-2}{2}+1=48$$ (check this: totally-basic-94862.html?hilit=last%20first%20range%20multiple)

AND

2. When $$n+1$$ is divisible by 8. --> $$n+1=8p$$ ($$p\geq{1}$$), $$n=8p-1$$ --> $$8p-1\leq{96}$$ --> $$p\leq{12.1}$$ --> 12 such numbers.

Also note that these two sets have no overlaps, as when $$n$$ and $$n+2$$ are even then $$n+1$$ is odd and when $$n+1$$ is divisible by 8 (so even) then $$n$$ and $$n+2$$ are odd.

Total=48+12=60

Probability: $$\frac{60}{96}=\frac{5}{8}$$

Hope it's clear.
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18 Oct 2010, 06:27
We know that it's not answer B - because we are looking for an odd and 80 is an even number.

(2 + k-1). (k-1)/4 = 79.80
2k + k2 - k -2 - k+1= 79.80.4
k2 = 79.80.4 +1

It would be easily founded if we could us calculators but we dont.
This means that k should be a number ending at 9 or 1, so we eliminate answer D- 157
So we have three possibilities. 79, 81, 159
Also we could see without calculating that k2>79.79 as well as k2>81 so the right answer is E.
It's not the most rational way, but it was the first one that came to my mind.
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27 Oct 2010, 22:31
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was just wondering if these questions can be combined together into one document... or maybe in an online test format. Is it possible ?
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03 Nov 2010, 21:06
Bunuel wrote:
SOLUTION:
7. THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE CIRCLE AND THE LINE:
What is the least possible distance between a point on the circle x^2 + y^2 = 1 and a point on the line y = 3/4*x - 3?

A) 1.4
B) sqrt (2)
C) 1.7
D) sqrt (3)
E) 2.0

This is tough:
First note that min distance from the circle to the line would be: length of perpendicular from the origin to the line (as the circle is centered at the origin) - the radius of a circle (which is 1).

Now we can do this by finding the equation of a line perpendicular to given line $$y=\frac{3}{4}*x-3$$ (we know it should cross origin and cross given line, so we can write the formula of it), then find the croos point of these lines and then the distance between the origin and this point. But it's very lengthy way.

There is another, shorter one. Though I've never seen any GMAT question requiring the formula used in it.

We know the formula to calculate the distance between two points $$(x_1,y_1)$$ and $$(x_2,y_2)$$: $$d=\sqrt{(x_1-x_2)^2+(y_1-y_2)^2}$$ BUT there is a formula to calculate the distance between the point (in our case origin) and the line:

DISTANCE BETWEEN THE LINE AND POINT:
Line: $$ay+bx+c=0$$, point $$(x_1,y_1)$$

$$d=\frac{|ay_1+bx_1+c|}{\sqrt{a^2+b^2}}$$

DISTANCE BETWEEN THE LINE AND ORIGIN:
As origin is $$(0,0)$$ -->

$$d=\frac{|c|}{\sqrt{a^2+b^2}}$$

So in our case it would be: $$d=\frac{|3|}{\sqrt{1^2+(\frac{3}{4})^2}}=\frac{12}{5}=2.4$$

So the shortest distance would be: $$2.4-1(radius)=1.4$$

OR ANOTHER APPROACH:

In an x-y Cartesian coordinate system, the circle with center (a, b) and radius r is the set of all points (x, y) such that:
$$(x-a)^2+(y-b)^2=r^2$$

If the circle is centered at the origin (0, 0), then the equation simplifies to:
$$x^2+y^2=r^2$$

So, the circle represented by the equation $$x^2+y^2 = 1$$ is centered at the origin and has the radius of $$r=\sqrt{1}=1$$.

Then note that min distance from the circle to the line would be: length of perpendicular from the origin to the line (as the circle is centered at the origin) - the radius of a circle (which is 1).

So we should find the length of perpendicular, or the height of the right triangle formed by the X and Y axis and the line $$y = \frac{{3}}{{4}}x-3$$.

The legs would be the value of x for y=0 (x intercept) --> y=0, x=4 --> $$leg_1=4$$.
and the value of y for x=0 (y intercept) --> x=0, y=-3 --> $$leg_2=3$$.

So we have the right triangle with legs 4 and 3 and hypotenuse 5. What is the height of this triangle (perpendicular from right angle to the hypotenuse)? As perpendicular to the hypotenuse will always divide the triangle into two triangles with the same properties as the original triangle: $$\frac{height}{leg_1}=\frac{leg_2}{hypotenuse}$$ --> $$\frac{height}{3}=\frac{4}{5}$$ --> $$height=2.4$$.

$$Distance=height-radius=2.4-1=1.4$$

You can check the link of Coordinate Geometry below for more.

co-ordinates of line are (1,0) and (0,-3/4). This line will be a secant to the circle, the least distance then should le less than 1. Please correct me if I m wrong somewhere.
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