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It's nice to have a post consolidating all the information and reviews. Thank you!
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Hi wilbase, I think the following things affected me:

- Most importantly, when I practiced, I didn't do the AWA (just didn't consider it important). I underestimated the impact of expending 50 minutes of intellectual energy before the CAT.
- I was slightly dehydrated from an excrutiating soccer match in the sun two days earlier (I work in the Middle East and it gets very hot here, though right now it's pleasant).
- Cracked under pressure (I think I want this much more badly than I've wanted results in previous tests, in which I've usually done well).

So things to watch out for:
- practice PROPERLY
- stay well hydrated, fed, rested etc
- keep your cool!

I'm going to bounce back.
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Hi Guys,

I have gone through a chunk of OG (and some of GMATCubs practice questions) and scored 690 on the OG's diagnostic tests but want to get up to 720. I took the diagnostic test twice - once before practicing and once after the score did not change whatsoever :|

From reading the reviews it does not sound like Kaplan's in-class prep would be a good fit for me. I am not sure whether Kaplan Advanced would be any good? Or if I should just go with Knewton because of the good reviews they get even though it is online.

My questions:
- What good in-class GMAT prep course would you recommend for someone who wants to increase their score by 30-50 points? Kaplan Advanced or Manhattan Review or...?
- If no such in-class course exists, would you simply recommend Knewton or even doing more practice problems through the many books/GmatClub's practice problems that are available?

You help is much appreciated. Thanks!


One advantage you have with Knewton is the 50-point money back guarantee (if you don't get 740, you get your money back). You will also get GMAT Club tests for free if you use our promo code to sign up (GC-Knewton-GMAT).

As to others, I have not taken any, so you have to rely on the feedback from reviews to make your selection.

Finally, consider browsing through this thread: should-i-retake-gmat-thread-retaking-gmat-strategies-83339.html
Do you really need to bump your score more?
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I am curious what you guys end up picking - please keep us posted on the decision and through the process

Hi bb,

Sure..i enrolled for Knewton mainly because i felt that my verbal score is low because of lack of practice. What i heard of knewton is that thet mimic the OG questions, so i feel that is what i need..

Will post the review.. :)
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I have taken three courses, MGMAT, Knewton, and mastergmat.

here are my views:
Mastergmat: the course is average. The content is not enough for you if you are targeting above 710.
Pros:
1. Excellent support from instructors. This i think is the best part. even though the course is not really adaptive, but i could schedule many sessions with them and in those sessions they shared with my specific weak areas and strong areas(like "special triangles" / "paradox resolving") from their back-end data based on my performance on the course-ware. Ditto for AWA. These were one-to-one sessions and were the most helpful in bettering my performance. Such one to one attention was not there in the other two.
2. detailed and patient one-on-one CAT analyses.
2. Awesome AWA analysis and preparation support. This included templates for both essays and detailed analysis of 4 essays each (issue and argument).
3. quick responses to emails. There was also constant encouragement and morale boosting, even in my one to one session on the lest day of prep; a personal touch:)

Cons:
1. average content. Not very reflective of actual GMAT. I would say i found the content easy and tricks (covered extensively on knewton) were there but not as good.
2. CATs were not good. For one they give the score in a range. my ranges were smtimes 690-710 and smtimes 730-770: clearly confusing. second, i used to get more than 4 RCs on my tests (smtimes even 7! ) with 2 - 5 questions each. The reason they gave for this abnormality is that their system ran out of higher level questions to give me and since RC had highest weightage on their system, thats wat used to pop up for me.

Knewton: Good. but not enough if you want extra help. Id say take it if you can study entirely on your using their online material.
Pros:
1. Good content, and CATs: GMAT like.
2. very explanatory videos (on demand or live) covering the session topic very well.
3. good coverage on realistic test taking methods/ tricks. really helped, especially their "tells" for identifying sentence errors in verbal, tricks in math, and their guessing techniques for desperate situations. coming to the 50-50 split was greatly emphasised and it works well on test day.
4. gave very handy "Knotes" covering entire syllabus in a few pages.

Mixed:
1. It's 'adaptive'. This is the most discussed and publicised part of Knewton. But honestly, having seen waht exactly is adaptive in there, i think it is a little too hyped (and takes away attention from other things)

Cons:
1. extremely bad support. I didnt attend live sessions so i cannot be sure how much time the instructor wud spend with you after a live class. but as such queries you put on their query platform (answres.knewton) went unanswered fr days! reason they gave: nature of query is such that they get qued, hence the delay. One of my verbal queries(something on identifying paradoxes) was unanswred for 20 days inspite of my emails/additional queries. i didnt understand wat was wrong with its nature. ;) I gave up.
2. bad test analysis system. they only explain why the correct answer is correct and why the worngs are wrong. if you disagree or cannot understand only option is to post a query. they also do not provide the difficulty level of questions on your results page. so you cannot analyse your test performance even yourself very accurately. i posted queries for help on analysing my tests, never got replies. i saw others too on their forum who got no replies to similar qstns. they gave Same reason: 'nature of query'. AWA analyses/preparation support was also pretty limited.
3. Once you exhaust their material(i did in two months, my gmat was due after another full month) theres nothing more you can do except go over their "concept que" :one page dedicated to one highly specific concept. while these pages help, theres still no content left fr you to practice on. couldnt even retale my CATs. i ventured to ask for more material. of course i got no reply.
4. in case, for any reason, you wish to restart the course you cannot get the adaptive aspect back. you can only retake section wise tests you have already taken. They dont reset your account. their reason: resetting will cause loss of data for them (and you)

one case specific problem was that their live classes are held for students across the globe. their timings never suited me (3 am /4 am/ 1am...) hence i completely lost out on a part of wat i paid for.

My experience was bad with knewton. with the money i paid, i needed good support for answering my doubts and not just unending interconnnected concepts and material left or me to do by myself. personally i found the scoring awkward too. on one instance i got two verbal questions(far apart frm each other) wrong and scored 41 while on another i got 7 wrong (3 consecutive plus 2 others consecutive, and 2 separate) and got 42. didnt underatnt it. but cant say.... cz i dnt know hw it wrks. no knowldge abt diffcutly level compouned problems.


MGMAT: By far the best. even its test series alone can bring about great improvement. I didnt go through the entire material. just did the tests and used parts of the material (a few PDFs). Ill therefore not list the pros and cons but just say that whatevr i did from MGMAT was fresh and great. The CAT analyses was absolutely fabulous! very detailed and helped me improve A LOT. It ensured that i never slipped downward. only went upward in my score. I didnt need any support. BTW, they also provide you the option to reset your account to start from scratch if you want to(in case your prep got a break or somethng). PS: their flashcards were very handy.


Phew. long post. i hope this helps. These are completely my personal views based on my personal experience.
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"how good the material and its questions are relative to the ACTUAL gmat verbal question"- pretty much yes.

"Do you attribute any improvement in your verbal score to knewton?" - No. In my first GMAT attempt i got very nervous and on top of that i was hungry during the verbal section. (yes its true! i hadnt accounted for it. and i cudnt apply my brains with a hungry stomach). So that accounts for the low score. As such my verbal score was always >=40. Having said that, i'd say that the way they explain verbal concepts in their vids is good. It's easy to pick up even finer points from their explanations.
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received a ridiculously low score on my first gmat. I just signed up with knewton so I am hoping to see a substancial boost. With me luck!


Good Luck.
Did you sign up with Knewton via GMAT Club link? www.knewton.com/gmat/pricing/gmatclub/ ?

if so, you will also get access to the GMAT Club Tests.
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I have a question about the Manhattan 9 Session Prep Course.

I already bought the 8 Strategy guides as well as the Offical Guide (12th ed) - is there any way to get a discount on the course if do not want to get the books again? (i.e. deduct the price for the books from the total course fee...)

Thanks for your help!



I believe You can actually get a discount (don't quote me on it) - just check with the MGMAT representative and they will give you a credit (won't ship the books either)



I spoke with a Manhattan representative and she told me that you only get a discount for the Official Guide books. You WOULD not get a discount if you already own the Manhattan series. It doesn't make sense that they wouldn't give you a discount because you will have two sets of the Manhattan series. I guess you would have to sell one set. Right now, I am researching the different courses to determine if I need to take one.
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I have a question about the Manhattan 9 Session Prep Course.

I already bought the 8 Strategy guides as well as the Offical Guide (12th ed) - is there any way to get a discount on the course if do not want to get the books again? (i.e. deduct the price for the books from the total course fee...)

Thanks for your help!



I believe You can actually get a discount (don't quote me on it) - just check with the MGMAT representative and they will give you a credit (won't ship the books either)



I spoke with a Manhattan representative and she told me that you only get a discount for the Official Guide books. You WOULD not get a discount if you already own the Manhattan series. It doesn't make sense that they wouldn't give you a discount because you will have two sets of the Manhattan series. I guess you would have to sell one set. Right now, I am researching the different courses to determine if I need to take one.


An update to my last post. I received this email from a different representative.

we can deduct the cost only if you bought the books directly from our website. The only exceptions are the official guide for GMAT review set, which can be found here:

https://www.manhattangmat.com/storeitems ... 44&catid=7

If you have these three books we can provide you a $40 book credit off the cost of the online class.
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Never take Byjus for Gmat!!!
I enrolled for Byju’s GMAT program for INR 25,000 . My overall experience was very bad. Please read this, before you go for Byju’s for GMAT. Find below the details:

You will be provided with pre-recorded videos in tablet or SD card. The delivery was quick. They delivered the product to you in 7 working days as promised. Along with the pre-recorded videos, you will be asked to attend online webinar. Ideally we have to attend the webinar after we have learned the basics of that particular topic from the tablet.

The theory given in the tablet is good. But lot of practice questions given in the tablet are incorrect. The questions are very difficult and solution does not make any sense. At the end, it is very difficult to consume the entire material.

Lets come to worst part. The online webinars. I found that the faculty are teaching wrong concepts of Sentence correction in online webinar. I was shocked. I complained to Byju’s and they assured that faculty will be changed but in my next webinar, i found the same faculty. Also, she was a very bad speaker. Let me give you an example:

Imagine a SC question with 5 choices and C be the correct answer. Her response was

Read option A

“So here A is clearly wrong, Ok.”

Read option B

“B is clearly wrong Ok”

“Similarly D and E are wrong, So c is the answer”

I have mail chains of me complaining repeatedly to Byju’s about the tablet questions to be incorrect, online bad faculty. But it was of no use. They never gave me a proper reply and nothing was done about it. Also, when i asked i can come down to the center for doubt clarification, they simply said no to the same.

One more thing with Byjus, they never keep a log. If you are complaining about something, the next time you call, you have to explain everything again as if you are telling them the first time.

Just for credibility to this post. I was actual byju’s student.

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I read all the reviews. RIght now, I am deciding between taking a GMAT course at Kaplan, Manhattan GMAT, or Testmasters. Any recommendations? Does anyone have any information on Testmasters GMAT course?
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I read all the reviews. RIght now, I am deciding between taking a GMAT course at Kaplan, Manhattan GMAT, or Testmasters. Any recommendations? Does anyone have any information on Testmasters GMAT course?


Have not hear of TestMasters for a long time. They still around? Anything good?
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TestMasters is still around. But I think they mostly only have classes in Los Angeles.
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Heres my review on Knewton

The Positives :

1) Very helpful set of people. They reply back to all your queries with a lot of detail and you can expect most responses back within 24 hours. I have got responses on Sunday as well, at times.

2) Online learning works . Their site is adaptive, and it generally throws questions to you which it feels you are weaker on.

3) 50 pt guarantee should work for most. I improved my score by 60 points from 660 to 720. Also I had a balanced score as Knewton focuses equally on Quant and Verbal . I have read that a lopsided high score is inferior to a balanced score with the same total.

4) Although many people feel that Knewtons questions are a rip off of the Official material, this strategy works. They drill the Test Prep Makers strategies into your head, and you are far better off doing questions that are similiar to those that you will see on the exam. The SC in verbal were a breeze, as I could spot most errors with ease.

6) Their Quant Strategy and Verbal strategy sections are excellent. They do significantly improve your skills at choosing the correct answer, or atleast chosing between 2 answers , when you are in doubt.

7) Despite many complaining that Knewton Diagnostic isnt a valid interpretation of your actual ability , the truth is that my final scores are more in line with their tests than the Official Gmatprep. This is also because many GMATPrep problems are already tackled by most of us on this forum or in the Vebal and Quant guides, while practicing.

Again for the money back guarantee , they chose the highest of your two previous scores. Either the Offical GMAT or their diagnostic.. So if you score a 660 on their test and have scored 690 on your actual test , earlier , your money back guarantee is based on your baseline of 690.
They could have very easily selected to use the lower of both scores, or just use their diagnostic for the money back guarantee. The fact that they used thehigher score means that they are confident in their material and techniques, and the overall Knewton product. I feel very comfortable in recommending Knewton to any future candidate looking for a one- two month testprep.
8) Instructors on Knewton are top notch, and the live sessions are fabulous. I attend the classes twice. Once live and once I went through the archives. It definiately helped. On many ocassions the TA spent more than 20 minutes with me after class to take me through individual concepts.

9) The guys are value for money. The course isnt expensive, given the fact that they have been offering discounts on most courses off late.

10) Videos of most individual topics , where you are weak, are an excellent way to strengthen your concepts.

11) You cant rewind a live class, but at Knewton you can see atleast two archived lessons on each class, with different instructors, and also attend a live class in addition to that.

12) Last but noth the least, Knewton promises a live Pre MBA class, which will include a live case study discussion with a Harvard Business School professor. This Pre MBA program will be offered free with their already excellent GMAT training package, making it one of the unique combinations in comparison to other GMAT training programs.

Negatives

1) The Quant sections on Knewton tests are simpler than the actual GMAT. I was able to complete all tests with 5 minutes to spare, but on my actual GMAT I was in a tight spot , trying to rush through the last few questions in Quant. I have read that their GMAT Quant questions are being revised for their CAT's to have them be as tough as those seen in the actual CAT's


Overall Review

Can confidently recommend Knewton to any candidate looking at improving his test score. They deserve a 5/5 . But Ill give them a 4.5, because they can still improve on the Quant practice tests.

Again with their killer money back guarantee , there will be no reason to regret joining Knewton . I can vouch for their program's efficacy.


Very nice review. I am planning to retake and Knewton looks like a road to me...
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I might try Knewton. I underperformed so badly on test day that it's left me with all sorts of doubts (80 points worse than my 2 GMATPreps...)
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I might try Knewton. I underperformed so badly on test day that it's left me with all sorts of doubts (80 points worse than my 2 GMATPreps...)


I am sorry to hear about that. I thought the GMATPreps is a good indicator. I haven't taken the real test yet, still practicing. What do you think is the main different when you take the real test?
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Hi wilbase, I think the following things affected me:

- Most importantly, when I practiced, I didn't do the AWA (just didn't consider it important). I underestimated the impact of expending 50 minutes of intellectual energy before the CAT.
- I was slightly dehydrated from an excrutiating soccer match in the sun two days earlier (I work in the Middle East and it gets very hot here, though right now it's pleasant).
- Cracked under pressure (I think I want this much more badly than I've wanted results in previous tests, in which I've usually done well).

So things to watch out for:
- practice PROPERLY
- stay well hydrated, fed, rested etc
- keep your cool!

I'm going to bounce back.


Great! I will be sure to practice properly. Thanks
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