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Re: Should I Retake GMAT Thread - Retaking GMAT Strategies [#permalink] New post 07 Mar 2011, 20:00
just got the call from Ross... I'm in ...and yes, it's an incredible sensation awesome! ...specially if you left everything on the field ! thanks again to everybody in this forum! I forgot to mention one thing about the GMAT... I'm not English native speaker, in fact...English is my 3rd language so I am far from being good at it. However, I always try to read books in English, I think this helps to maintain a decent vocabulary. In the months before the GMAT I read two books , " Born to run" and " Going Long" , and I guess this helped to improve my score in the verbal part...so, for you guys who are not native English speakers, I would recommend you to pick a topic you really like...and read a book in English about it ( in my case, I am close to run my first marathon , so running as a topic is quite motivating)...I think this will help you to handle easily the RC questions... again...thank you, and do not surrender ! cheers mates
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Re: Should I Retake GMAT Thread - Retaking GMAT Strategies [#permalink] New post 17 Mar 2011, 01:57
I had 740 on the GMAT PREP yesterday, and I will sit on GMAT in 3 days. So if I get below 700, it is advised that I retake the GMAT?
(because you said that we should retake it if the difference between real GMAT and GMAT Prep is 50 or bigger, I have plenty of time and shoot for a scholarship too)
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Re: Should I Retake GMAT Thread - Retaking GMAT Strategies [#permalink] New post 21 Mar 2011, 10:15
Thanks BB Nice Thread
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Re: Should I Retake GMAT Thread - Retaking GMAT Strategies [#permalink] New post 22 Mar 2011, 19:57
I am planning to retake GMAT. Scored 710 ( 48Q 39V ) on my first attempts studying only from OG, however i couldn't make it to any of the schools on my list. Hope to make a new start with MGMAT books. Any suggestions for prep???
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Re: Should I Retake GMAT Thread - Retaking GMAT Strategies [#permalink] New post 22 Mar 2011, 22:09
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This my suggestion - hopefully it works, though 710 is a pretty good score already... you are at or above average for pretty much all schools of your choice.


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Re: Should I Retake GMAT Thread - Retaking GMAT Strategies [#permalink] New post 22 Mar 2011, 22:57
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This my suggestion - hopefully it works, though 710 is a pretty good score already... you are at or above average for pretty much all schools of your choice.


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Yes, 710 is a good score, but i belong to the ubiquitous Indian IT Male category, GMAT is the only differentiator.
I see no other reason for being wait listed - my essays were good and so were my interview.
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Re: Should I Retake GMAT Thread - Retaking GMAT Strategies [#permalink] New post 23 Mar 2011, 22:19
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Sorry to hear about the waitlist.... yes, tough category...
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Re: Should I Retake GMAT Thread - Retaking GMAT Strategies [#permalink] New post 26 Mar 2011, 08:21
thanks for this post! I fit into about 3 or 4 into these reasons to retake
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Re: Should I Retake GMAT Thread - Retaking GMAT Strategies [#permalink] New post 26 Mar 2011, 13:56
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Re: Should I Retake GMAT Thread - Retaking GMAT Strategies [#permalink] New post 27 Mar 2011, 09:04
I fall into the " retake disaster category". haha. I think i'm done with the gmat. Time to move on
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Re: Should I Retake GMAT Thread - Retaking GMAT Strategies [#permalink] New post 08 Apr 2011, 02:39
This book is useful - 'The Official Guide for GMAT Review'

You can buy it on Amazon
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Re: Should I Retake GMAT Thread - Retaking GMAT Strategies [#permalink] New post 16 Apr 2011, 10:17
Let me give a background to my question here - I took GMAT in Jan 2011 and got a 710 - Q48, V40...I was reasonably happy with my score..although I knew I had underscored in Quant and could have got a 730. Though, I did not want to give another attempt for merely 20 points...I am reconsidering it when I heard the story of a friend of my mine in office.

My colleague got a 680 (3rd attempt) on GMAT..His background - Completed his electronics engineering, Indian...but changed fields upon graduation...and is and has been in the Consulting space for close to 5 years..so I believe ( and this what I need to confirm ) that he has shed the "Indian IT male tag" by not continuing in IT...the guy has excellent credentials with lots of social work and extra-curricular activities to form a formidable resume.

He applied to ISB and got dinged..the feedback said that since he had completed his engineering ISB considered him as an "Indian IT male"...and tht a score of 730 was a minimum that they expected.

This situation has led me to think that my score is low (as I hail from a similar background)..and I should probably give it another go since I am also an ISB aspirant!!

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Graduation - Computer engineering
Work - ex - 1) Investment banking 2) Consulting - Total work-ex=1.5 years (although I am going to apply after another 2 years only with a total work-ex of 4 years)

Would welcome some help here guys.

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Re: Should I Retake GMAT Thread - Retaking GMAT Strategies [#permalink] New post 23 Apr 2011, 21:20
It is really unfortunate to see so many IT males struggling to get admission even after such good scores... But there are so many of them what to do........ Population you see... and the talent too
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Re: Should I Retake GMAT Thread - Retaking GMAT Strategies [#permalink] New post 24 Apr 2011, 10:11
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It is really unfortunate to see so many IT males struggling to get admission even after such good scores... But there are so many of them what to do........ Population you see... and the talent too


Heheh :)..you see population is something that is out of our control (actually it is within our control, if you getting my drift :lol: , but let's leave that out of context for the time being), but scoring good is well within our reach!!
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Re: Should I Retake GMAT Thread - Retaking GMAT Strategies [#permalink] New post 06 May 2011, 18:25
I just took the GMAT & scored really low (Q25 / V36). I'm looking for advice/suggestions. I am a 33rd year-old male, non-traditional student I suppose as my undergraduate degrees are in art history, English, and graphic design, and I have 10 years work experience--4 in outside sales & 6 in marketing--currently hold marketing director position for a small business. I have two bachelors degrees--GPA 3.2 first time, 3.7 second time--first from a top tier university & second from a good art school. Applying to part-time programs at Stern & Zicklin for marketing concentration. Was hoping to submit my applications in the next few days for the fall deadline, but now reconsidering since my low scores. Stern also accepts GRE (my scores Q550/ V640). I feel like my GMAT score is just way too low for a chance at Stern, and possibly Zicklin, too. Should I now wait, retake the test over the summer & apply for the spring semester? Or, should I just hope for a miracle & submit my application for fall anyway?
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Re: Should I Retake GMAT Thread - Retaking GMAT Strategies [#permalink] New post 01 Jun 2011, 02:37
mine is 700 (Q49, V37, AWA 5.0) Non IT male Engineer from India with 7 yrs workex. should i retake?
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Re: Should I Retake GMAT Thread - Retaking GMAT Strategies [#permalink] New post 02 Jun 2011, 02:21
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Everything you wanted to know about retaking GMAT. Not Happy with your GMAT Score? Not sure if it is good enough?
Retaking GMAT can be tough and often leads to a lower score - make sure it is worth the time and effort.

Nobody is ever happy with their GMAT score, but many agree that between 680 and 700 is good enough to get into any MBA program without second thoughts. What many of the applicants do is focus too much on quantifiable factors such as GMAT. Simply because you have 750 and another person has 700, does not mean your chances are much better. GMAT score is only a part of your application package and many 750+ applicants learned it the hard way. For Top 10 schools, GMAT is often only a check-mark. Thus, always determine the best ROI for your time and value that higher GMAT score will add to your application before deciding on retake. Often retake is not the right strategy. As an illustration, See Tarmac's post here for 8 dings with 770. Also see the "retake frustration stories" below for applicants whose scores went down after a retake.


Situations when you probably SHOULD retake:
  • The difference of your GMAT and GMAT Prep (undiluted) score is 50 points or greater
  • The difference between estimated GMAT Score and GMAT is greater than 50 points. (GMAT Score Estimator/Calculator)
  • Your target school's average score is 50 points higher (check scores here...)
  • You have used second rate prep materials (See a list of recommended books here)
  • You have a significant score imbalance. For example Q50, V25, resulting in 640
  • One of the admissions consultants from Profile Review forum recommended you retake
  • You are shooting for a scholarship (several schools award scholarships partially based on GMAT scores)
  • You have an extra 1-2 months and the best use of that time to improve your admissions chances is not writing essays/applications but studying for GMAT 3 hours/day
  • Score Imbalance: You have a have a relatively high GMAT score, but your Verbal score is significantly lower than your Quant score--common with engineers and Indian IT types. (See student who got waitlisted at 690 but got in 3 weeks later with a 760.)
  • Indian IT male - this is a very competitive segment and if you are not able to differentiate yourself in any way, get as high GMAT as you can.



Situations when you probably SHOULD NOT retake:
  • You are within 50 points of the school's average GMAT score (in this case time is best spent on applications)
  • You have exhausted all of the prep materials and resources
  • You are short on time (rather spend it on applications than GMAT. Most top 10-20 schoosl do not put a significant weight on GMAT score - we have plenty of 770 applicants with rejections
  • Already have a 700+ score



Recommendations and Resourcs for GMAT Retake:
  • Get a schedule on a calendar and write out what you are planning to do and when. Set goals and achieve them! See this post for a sample of a calendar.
  • One of the keys to a successful retake is to regain your test confidence - don't try to tackle the hardest hurdle first, focus on small victories to help motivate you to climb higher hills. Rome was not built in one day. Small victories will win the war. Thus, even though you have 45 Quant and 28 Verbal, it may be a better idea to get your Quant to 48 or 49 (and get your confidence back) before tackling the harder verbal questions.
  • However, remember that ultimately, you only have so much time and you should identify areas that will give you the highest ROI.
  • Find the best study pattern for you. If you are a single tasker - focus on quant/verbal first for the first few weeks. Then, put your attention on the other area and do a deep dive. Consider joining a study group here on GMAT Club. Some thrive in collective environment.
  • Do not move on until you feel comfortable with the section and you feel you understand the entire section in your book
  • Try following 1-2 month Study plan for retakers (how to go from 650 to 700+)
  • Sign up for a GMAT Prep course that has a money-back guarantee such as Knewton, which offers 50-point improvement or money back. (you are not losing anything except your time)
  • Make sure you have thoroughly covered your existing books
  • Books - Make sure you are using best and most effective books for your prep (gmat books, math books, verbal books)
  • Dedicate a larger portion of your day/life to methodically covering GMAT math and GMAT verbal
  • Get a better lifestyle - sleep more, party less, exercise - give it a shot for a month
  • Start reading more (books, magazines, etc - it helps a lot with RC and SC - see my post on GMAT Fiction)
  • Start using Error Log - one of the easiest ways to get your score up is to use an error log and then focus on your weaknesses
  • Try "teaching" others on the forum pages and learn more than you would ever have
  • Explore success threads below and see what helped others


FAQ
How often can I retake the GMAT? (every 31 days)
750 on the GMAT but low Quant - should I retake?
How many times should one take the GMAT - any negative consequences of retaking?
What do Business Schools think of multiple GMAT scores?


GMAT retake success stories
From 700 to 770 by Avernusaur
From 570 to 760 by Hemantsood
3rd Attempt: increased verbal from 26 to 37 by marclopato
From 640 to 770 by Billyjeans
From 620 to 710 by quantjock
From 730 to 780 by Pelihu
From 580 to 730 by Yungsta
4th attempt - 690
From 640 to 720 with only confidence by logmeup
From 570 to 600 to 670 to 720 - a long way to 700's
From 420 to 700 by Positive Soul
From 680 to 740
500 to 640 in 1 Month
From 580 to 730 with PR materials
490 to 670 with a few tweaks
710 to 770 and lessons learned (another one of those :wink: )
Get second thoughts out of your head for $250 or going from 710 to 740
From 660 to 740
690 --> 720 in 6 weeks
640 to 700 in 2 months
Long journey from 570 to 730
560 to 710 in 2 months
690 to 760 in 1 month


GMAT retake "disaster" stories
Bitten Twice
From 580 to 540 by JohnLewis
From 720 to 690 by Pathfinder - currently attending Wharton
From 560 to 510 by Mediamindy
From 610 to 570 after 3 months of studying
680 to 620 by Noboru
740 to 710 by MCM
6 months to go from 690 to 690

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Should I retake GMAT by Hjort
Got 590 and done with GMAT (Applying to Top 10)



I scored Q50, V28 in my GMAT test today. Last time a month back i score Q44, V27. I have never scored so low in verbal in any of the prep tests. But i have no idea what really happened in real test. I have done MGMAT, GMATprep and Kaplan tests.
I remember during the test i was stuck on one SC question I was not able to identify stem, the modifier or anything. It was really complicated. And i think I spent too much time and then I was rushing through rest of the test.
But even after that I am so confused about my low verbal score.
Please suggest anything. I am planning to give test in another 1 week with some preparation because i know if i wait for too long then i will get impatient and lose score on other section.
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Re: Should I Retake GMAT Thread - Retaking GMAT Strategies [#permalink] New post 06 Jun 2011, 23:44
Hi All
Yesterday,I took my GMAT and still reeling under shock and grief,scored pathetic 610 (Q49,V25).To your surprise, I scored 740(Q51,V40) in Manhattan CAT5 4 days back...scored 710(Q49,V37) in GMAT Prep2 one week back ,,repeated GMAT Prep-2 two days before test and scored 730(Q50,V38).
My average verbal score in all the tests taken (Knewton-5 tests,Manhattan-6 test,PR-1,GMAT Prep-1 and Kaplan-1) till today is 34.35 and infact V25 is my lowest score till date. Just at the time of starting preparation ,I scored V28 in GMAT Prep-1.
Though Iam not happy with my quant score (should have been at least 50) I am able to justify it, but I am completely clueless about my verbal score.
I joined Knewton with base score of 660(Q46,V35) but instead of going up by 50, my score went down by 50:).
Guys, I am in urgent need of advice how to go about. is it worth trying in 4-5 weeks again or I should take long haul..nd postpone my MBA plan for 1 year..
Target score :at least 700
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Re: Should I Retake GMAT Thread - Retaking GMAT Strategies [#permalink] New post 19 Jun 2011, 10:27
hey guys

I'm rewriting on the 3rd of August, 2011, for the 3rd time, and wanted to share some past experiences for rewriters who are weak in math but strong in verbal. I wrote it in a bit of a haste on Jan 5th 2010, and then again exactly a month later before I joined my new job thinking it had just been a timing issue. got a 640 both times (M44, V36 AWA - 6 & M42, V38 AWA - 6). I was so disappointed the 2nd time I remember I actually cried in my car and swore not to put myself through another rewrite and feel dumb. The worst part was the first ever GMAC cd official test I wrote without much prep (5 months prior to first attempt), I got a 630!

Some obstacles encountered during the first actual tests:

1) CHECK OUT THE TESTING CENTER ONE DAY IN ADVANCE: I took this advice way too lightly, the center I picked was in some obscure location tucked in among small houses. I was 20 minutes late, sweating buckets, and generally hassled.
2) Timing: I wrote 6 manhattans, bought temporary access to 5 Knewtons, and had taken the Princeton course so wrote 3/5 Princeton's. Math timing was an issue on Manhattan and Princeton, rarely on Knewton. However, I feel blind practice tests are a bad idea. If your fundamentals are not in place, diving into tests won't help all that much because on the actual test you will get stuck on concepts, the main thing GMAT tests.
3) First question blues: I'm pretty sure I got the first question wrong both times on math. I started the math portion and totally blanked and panicked. I spent 4-5 minutes on it too, sadly but just didn't know the answer. Ended up getting jacked on time in the end with 8 questions left in 6 minutes. I guess the core message is, move on, take the hit and make up for it later.
4) My math instructor, the first time around, from Princeton Review New Delhi (NFC batch, I mention details since Princeton had reached out to me wrt to an earlier post in which I recommended not taking Princeton) had informed us that probability/permutation/combination was very unlikely on the GMAT now. It came both times!!!! Geometric progression also came with the summation formula. Don't doodle on formulae!


One year later, I changed my mind. I'm trying a completely different approach:

1) covering my basics in math which were very weak, starting off with Manhattan books for targeted topics such as permutations/combi/probability etc.
2) working on speed and timing every question etc. This may sound silly, but I try to bring math into daily activities, e.g. I will multiply and add every license plate whenever i get the chance. Overkill? Maybe, but I think its helping!
3) I also took my verbal for granted as I considered that to be strong, very bad idea. Read the Powerprep SC book once this time, helped quite a bit in identifying specific SC errors. All my friends have recommended the Manhattan SC as a must read. I will cover that twice before going in.
4) Make sure you take all practice tests under similar stressful conditions with NO interruptions, same break timings etc.

So, its too early to say whether my tactics will pay off, but here are my practice test scores so far:
GMAC test 1 - 700 (I'll have to check the break out I took it 3 months back, on another laptop)
Veritas free test - 680 (M 43, V39)
MGMAT 1 - 700 (M44, V41)
MGMAT 2 - 700 (M46, V40)

these are distinctly better than last year. I warn Manhattan test takers, once one cracks its algorithm, your score might get misleadingly inflated. That said, I think its a good prep test.


Before launching into any more tests, I'm going to do 2 weeks of just math (OG 10 questions, review probability/combinations & no. property DS questions - still weak points), and Verbal (SC Manhattan, finish official supplement for Verbal).

I guess I posted this more to voice what I'm feeling right now as well, which is great stress. I still dread the first math question. My job is terribly demanding as are many of yours I'm sure, and it would be great to get any additional advice from retakers or anybody. I'm sure I can break the 700+ barrier this time, I just need to have my head on straight on the day. Any advice is welcome. Also, I got a 6 both times in AWA, if anybody wants to connect for AWA tips please feel free.

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Re: Should I Retake GMAT Thread - Retaking GMAT Strategies [#permalink] New post 28 Jun 2011, 17:12
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mine is 700 (Q49, V37, AWA 5.0) Non IT male Engineer from India with 7 yrs workex. should i retake?



New to this forum. Saw your post. Thought I'd chime in.

In my opinion, and from asking admissions consultants, definitely DO NOT retake the GMAT. Your score is good enough to make it past the first hurdle of MBA admissions: intellectual capacity.

Being from India, you have the burden of proving you are different than all the other hundreds of Indian applicants to each MBA program. Your best bet is to spend considerable time thinking how you'll do that.

Someone recommended to me to spend time on recommendations...it's the one place where I gave the least amount of thought to but was told it can really differentiate applicants...

Hope this is helpful!
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