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Guys I didn't forget your request, just was collecting good questions to post.

So here are some inequality and absolute value questions from my collection. Not every problem below is hard, but there are a few, which are quite tricky. Please provide your explanations along with the answers.

1. If \(6*x*y = x^2*y + 9*y\), what is the value of xy? (1) \(y – x = 3\) (2) \(x^3< 0\)

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roshan1985 wrote:

Bunuel wrote:

2. If y is an integer and y = |x| + x, is y = 0? (1) x < 0 (2) y < 1

Note: as \(y=|x|+x\) then \(y\) is never negative. For \(x>{0}\) then \(y=x+x=2x\) and for \(x\leq{0}\) then (when x is negative or zero) then \(y=-x+x=0\).

(1) \(x<0\) --> \(y=|x|+x=-x+x=0\). Sufficient.

(2) \(y<1\), as we concluded y is never negative, and we are given that \(y\) is an integer, hence \(y=0\). Sufficient.

Answer: D.

Answer should be A.

for evaluating 2nd Option- y<1, try with value x= 0.25, then Y would be |0.25|+0.25 = 0.5, which is less than 1. It is not mentioned that x is also an integer.

And also as you mentioned for negative value of x, it will be equal to zero. So it doesnt give definite ans whether y=0. So option (2) not sufficient.

Welcome to GMAT Club.

The red part in your reasoning is not correct: y cannot be 0.25 since given that y is an integer. So, answer D is correct.

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h2polo wrote:

Bunuel wrote:

1. If 6*x*y = x^2*y + 9*y, what is the value of xy? (1) y – x = 3 (2) x^3< 0

Not sure about this one...

First I reduced the given equation (divided out the y) and solved for x: 6*x*y = x^2*y + 9*y 6*x = x^2 + 9 0 = x^2 - 6*x + 9 0 = (x-3)^2 x = 3

Statement 1:

y-x=3 y-3=3 y=6 xy=3*6=18

SUFFICIENT

Statement 2:

x^3<0

We have no idea what the value of y is from this statement. The only thing that made me look twice was the face that if x^3 is true, then x should be a negative value... did I calculate the value of x incorrectly above?

INSUFFICIENT

ANSWER: A.

solved the same. a doubt! when this is a DS , cant we take statement 1 with 2 variables 'x' and 'y' will give the answer for xy? but the statement 2 wont.

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kashishh wrote:

h2polo wrote:

Bunuel wrote:

1. If 6*x*y = x^2*y + 9*y, what is the value of xy? (1) y – x = 3 (2) x^3< 0

Not sure about this one...

First I reduced the given equation (divided out the y) and solved for x: 6*x*y = x^2*y + 9*y 6*x = x^2 + 9 0 = x^2 - 6*x + 9 0 = (x-3)^2 x = 3

Statement 1:

y-x=3 y-3=3 y=6 xy=3*6=18

SUFFICIENT

Statement 2:

x^3<0

We have no idea what the value of y is from this statement. The only thing that made me look twice was the face that if x^3 is true, then x should be a negative value... did I calculate the value of x incorrectly above?

INSUFFICIENT

ANSWER: A.

solved the same. a doubt! when this is a DS , cant we take statement 1 with 2 variables 'x' and 'y' will give the answer for xy? but the statement 2 wont.

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20 Jun 2012, 18:43

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12. Is r=s? (1) -s<=r<=s (2) |r|>=s

St. (1) : -s <= r < = s Clearly Insufficient.

St. (2) : |r| >= s When r > 0 ; r >= s. When r < 0 ; -r >= s ; r <= -s Therefore, this statement can be rewritten as : -s >= r >= s Insufficient.

St. (1) and (2) : -s <= r < = s ; -s >= r >= s For both statements to be simultaneously valid, r must be equal to s. Hence Sufficient.

Answer : C

hi sriharimurthi,

If we have the statements -s <= r < = s and -s >= r >= s, there could be 2 possible answers; r=s or r=-s. Both the possible answers satisfy the 2 equations/inequalities. So isn't the answer E and not C?

Am I missing something. Could you please help? Thanks v much.

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sriharimurthy wrote:

Quote:

12. Is r=s? (1) -s<=r<=s (2) |r|>=s

St. (1) : -s <= r < = s Clearly Insufficient.

St. (2) : |r| >= s When r > 0 ; r >= s. When r < 0 ; -r >= s ; r <= -s Therefore, this statement can be rewritten as : -s >= r >= s Insufficient.

St. (1) and (2) : -s <= r < = s ; -s >= r >= s For both statements to be simultaneously valid, r must be equal to s. Hence Sufficient.

Answer : C

hi sriharimurthi,

If we have the statements -s <= r < = s and -s >= r >= s, there could be 2 possible answers; r=s or r=-s. Both the possible answers satisfy the 2 equations/inequalities. So isn't the answer E and not C?

Am I missing something. Could you please help? Thanks v much.

Sriharimurthi solution is not correct. OA for this question is E, not C. The links to the OA's and solutions are given in the initial post (if the links does not work, then switch view mode of the topic from "Best Reply" to "Oldest" and the links from the initial post inequality-and-absolute-value-questions-from-my-collection-86939-160.html#p652806 will lead you to the solutions).

As for this question: 12. Is r=s?

(1) -s<=r<=s, we can conclude two things from this statement: A. s is either positive or zero, as -s<=s; B. r is in the range (-s,s) inclusive, meaning that r can be -s as well as s. But we don't know whether r=s or not. Not sufficient.

(2) |r|>=s, clearly insufficient.

(1)+(2) -s<=r<=s, s is not negative, |r|>=s --> r>=s or r<=-s. This doesn't imply that r=s, from this r can be -s as well. Consider: s=5, r=5 --> -5<=5<=5 |5|>=5 s=5, r=-5 --> -5<=-5<=5 |-5|>=5 Both statements are true with these values. Hence insufficient.

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4. Are x and y both positive? (1) 2x-2y=1 (2) x/y>1

(1) 2x-2y=1. Well this one is clearly insufficient. You can do it with number plugging OR consider the following: x and y both positive means that point (x,y) is in the I quadrant. 2x-2y=1 --> y=x-1/2, we know it's an equation of a line and basically question asks whether this line (all (x,y) points of this line) is only in I quadrant. It's just not possible. Not sufficient.

(2) x/y>1 --> x and y have the same sign. But we don't know whether they are both positive or both negative. Not sufficient.

(1)+(2) Again it can be done with different approaches. You should just find the one which is the less time-consuming and comfortable for you personally.

One of the approaches: \(2x-2y=1\) --> \(x=y+\frac{1}{2}\) \(\frac{x}{y}>1\) --> \(\frac{x-y}{y}>0\) --> substitute x --> \(\frac{1}{y}>0\) --> \(y\) is positive, and as \(x=y+\frac{1}{2}\), \(x\) is positive too. Sufficient.

Answer: C.

I solved it this way. I hope i am assuming it correct

is x=y= +ve = ?

(A) 2x-2y=1

y=x-1/2 equation of line,

So, y=0 then x=1/2 x=0 then y=-1/2

thus, the line passes through points (1/2,0) & (0,-1/2) i.e - I, III & IV quadrant

(+,+) or (-,-) or (+,-) values of x & y

Not sufficient infromation

(B)

x/y > 1 if y>0 x>y if y<0 x<y not sufficient infomration

(C)

combine (A) and (B)

if y>0 i.e line passes only through Ist quadrant & x>y because y= x - 1/2

x>y ==> therefore x=y=+ve satisfies only first quadrant

condition y<0 from (B) is not true for x<y because

when line pass through IV the quadrant x is +ve and y is -ve, so we can ignore this condition as it doesnot satisfy (A) and (B) combined

Therefore left with only y>0 and x>y where line passes thr' Ist quadrant: C

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24 Jun 2012, 18:41

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7. |x+2|=|y+2| what is the value of x+y? (1) xy<0 (2) x>2 y<2

This one is quite interesting.

First note that |x+2|=|y+2| can take only two possible forms:

A. x+2=y+2 --> x=y. This will occur if and only x and y are both >= than -2 OR both <= than -2. In that case x=y. Which means that their product will always be positive or zero when x=y=0. B. x+2=-y-2 --> x+y=-4. This will occur when either x or y is less then -2 and the other is more than -2.

When we have scenario A, xy will be nonnegative only. Hence if xy is negative we have scenario B and x+y=-4. Also note that vise-versa is not right. Meaning that we can have scenario B and xy may be positive as well as negative.

(1) xy<0 --> We have scenario B, hence x+y=-4. Sufficient.

(2) x>2 and y<2, x is not equal to y, we don't have scenario A, hence we have scenario B, hence x+y=-4. Sufficient.

Answer: D.

Vote for D [Need help in understanding part (B) below]

I solved it this way. I really find it difficult to open mod sign, I hope i am doing it correctly

(A) xy < 0

So we have (x = +ve and y = -ve) or (x = -ve and y = +ve)

|x + 2| = |y + 2|

critical point (x > -2 & y < -2) or (x < -2 & y > -2)

if (x > -2 & y < -2) then

(x + 2) = -(y + 2) x + 2 = -y -2 x + y = -4

sufficient

(B) x > 2 and y < 2

when y < -2 (x + 2) = - (y + 2) x + y = -4

when 2 > y > -2 we get x - y = 0 - Cannot be true statement [Not sure if this is correct. Need help here]

Is |x-1| < 1? Basically the question asks is 0<x<2 true?

(1) (x-1)^2 <= 1 --> x^2-2x<=0 --> x(x-2)<=0 --> 0<=x<=2. x is in the range (0,2) inclusive. This is the trick here. x can be 0 or 2! Else it would be sufficient. So not sufficient.

(2) x^2 - 1 > 0 --> x<-1 or x>1. Not sufficient.

(1)+(2) Intersection of the ranges from 1 and 2 is 1<x<=2. Again 2 is included in the range, thus as x can be 2, we can not say for sure that 0<x<2 is true. Not sufficient.

Answer: E.

Can you please explain : --> how did u derive --> "x(x-2)<=0 --> 0<=x<=2. x is in the range (0,2) inclusive" ???

Here is what i did

Question: |x-1| < 1 critical point x>1 or x<1

when x>1 then (x-1)<1 x<2 when x<1 then -(x-1)<1 -x<0 therefore x>0 to prove 0<x<2 --? [understood this]

(A)(x-1)^2 <= 1 x^2 - 2x + 1 <= 1 x (x-2) <= 0 [can you please explain after this who did you derive 0<=x<=2 ===?????]

my thoughts [what m i doing wrong??] when (x = 0) then x-2<=0 therefoe x<=2 when (x-2 = 0) then x<=0 ????? i am confused here ?????

(B) x^2-1>0 therefore we have x>1 or x<-1 - not sufficient [understood this]

Is |x-1| < 1? Basically the question asks is 0<x<2 true?

(1) (x-1)^2 <= 1 --> x^2-2x<=0 --> x(x-2)<=0 --> 0<=x<=2. x is in the range (0,2) inclusive. This is the trick here. x can be 0 or 2! Else it would be sufficient. So not sufficient.

(2) x^2 - 1 > 0 --> x<-1 or x>1. Not sufficient.

(1)+(2) Intersection of the ranges from 1 and 2 is 1<x<=2. Again 2 is included in the range, thus as x can be 2, we can not say for sure that 0<x<2 is true. Not sufficient.

Answer: E.

Can you please explain : --> how did u derive --> "x(x-2)<=0 --> 0<=x<=2. x is in the range (0,2) inclusive" ???

Here is what i did

Question: |x-1| < 1 critical point x>1 or x<1

when x>1 then (x-1)<1 x<2 when x<1 then -(x-1)<1 -x<0 therefore x>0 to prove 0<x<2 --? [understood this]

(A)(x-1)^2 <= 1 x^2 - 2x + 1 <= 1 x (x-2) <= 0 [can you please explain after this who did you derive 0<=x<=2 ===?????]

my thoughts [what m i doing wrong??] when (x = 0) then x-2<=0 therefoe x<=2 when (x-2 = 0) then x<=0 ????? i am confused here ?????

(B) x^2-1>0 therefore we have x>1 or x<-1 - not sufficient [understood this]

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7. |x+2|=|y+2| what is the value of x+y? (1) xy<0 (2) x>2 y<2

This one is quite interesting.

First note that |x+2|=|y+2| can take only two possible forms:

A. x+2=y+2 --> x=y. This will occur if and only x and y are both >= than -2 OR both <= than -2. In that case x=y. Which means that their product will always be positive or zero when x=y=0. B. x+2=-y-2 --> x+y=-4. This will occur when either x or y is less then -2 and the other is more than -2.

When we have scenario A, xy will be nonnegative only. Hence if xy is negative we have scenario B and x+y=-4. Also note that vise-versa is not right. Meaning that we can have scenario B and xy may be positive as well as negative.

(1) xy<0 --> We have scenario B, hence x+y=-4. Sufficient.

(2) x>2 and y<2, x is not equal to y, we don't have scenario A, hence we have scenario B, hence x+y=-4. Sufficient.

Answer: D.

Hi Bunuel,

I am getting E and just cannot understand D. Please see my solution below - I used number picking.

A. xy<0, x=+ and y=- For this condition choosing different values of x and y (x=2,y=-6: x=3, y=-7)satisfies the given condition in modulus. Hence x=y can be different value or x=- and y=+ - This condition doesn't satisfy the modulus condiotion

B- x>2 and y<2 - As per the above stmt 1 - condition 1, there can be various values for x and y, hence x+y is different.

Hence E. I know I am going wrong some where, please help.

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Bunuel wrote:

jayaddula wrote:

Bunuel wrote:

7. |x+2|=|y+2| what is the value of x+y? (1) xy<0 (2) x>2 y<2

This one is quite interesting.

First note that |x+2|=|y+2| can take only two possible forms:

A. x+2=y+2 --> x=y. This will occur if and only x and y are both >= than -2 OR both <= than -2. In that case x=y. Which means that their product will always be positive or zero when x=y=0. B. x+2=-y-2 --> x+y=-4. This will occur when either x or y is less then -2 and the other is more than -2.

When we have scenario A, xy will be nonnegative only. Hence if xy is negative we have scenario B and x+y=-4. Also note that vise-versa is not right. Meaning that we can have scenario B and xy may be positive as well as negative.

(1) xy<0 --> We have scenario B, hence x+y=-4. Sufficient.

(2) x>2 and y<2, x is not equal to y, we don't have scenario A, hence we have scenario B, hence x+y=-4. Sufficient.

Answer: D.

Hi Bunuel,

I am getting E and just cannot understand D. Please see my solution below - I used number picking.

A. xy<0, x=+ and y=- For this condition choosing different values of x and y (x=2,y=-6: x=3, y=-7)satisfies the given condition in modulus. Hence x=y can be different value or x=- and y=+ - This condition doesn't satisfy the modulus condiotion

B- x>2 and y<2 - As per the above stmt 1 - condition 1, there can be various values for x and y, hence x+y is different.

Hence E. I know I am going wrong some where, please help.

thanks jay

In your example, both pairs give the same value for x+y: 2-6=-4 and 3-7=-4.

We can solve this question in another way:

7. |x+2|=|y+2| what is the value of x+y?

Square both sides: \(x^2+4x+4=y^2+4y+4\) --> \(x^2-y^2+4x-4y=0\) --> \((x+y)(x-y)+4(x-y)=0\) --> \((x-y)(x+y+4)=0\) --> either \(x=y\) or \(x+y=-4\).

(1) xy<0 --> the first case is not possible, since if \(x=y\), then \(xy=x^2\geq{0}\), not \(<0\) as given in this statement, hence we have the second case: \(x+y=-4\). Sufficient.

(2) x>2 and y<2. This statement implies that \(x\neq{y}\), therefore \(x+y=-4\). Sufficient.

Answer: D.

Hope it's clear.

Thanks Bunuel. Its a shame that i did all the work and completely misread the question.

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Bunuel wrote:

SOLUTIONS:

1. If 6*x*y = x^2*y + 9*y, what is the value of xy? (1) y – x = 3 (2) x^3< 0

First let's simplify given expression \(6*x*y = x^2*y + 9*y\):

\(y*(x^2-6x+9)=0\) --> \(y*(x-3)^2=0\). Note here that we CAN NOT reduce this expression by \(y\), as some of you did. Remember we are asked to determine the value of \(xy\), and when reducing by \(y\) you are assuming that \(y\) doesn't equal to \(0\). We don't know that.

Next: we can conclude that either \(x=3\) or/and \(y=0\). Which means that \(xy\) equals to 0, when y=0 and x any value (including 3), OR \(xy=3*y\) when y is not equal to zero, and x=3.

(1) \(y-x=3\). If y is not 0, x must be 3 and y-x to be 3, y must be 6. In this case \(xy=18\). But if y=0 then x=-3 and \(xy=0\). Two possible scenarios. Not sufficient.

OR:

\(y-x=3\) --> \(x=y-3\) --> \(y*(x-3)^2=y*(y-3-3)^2=y(y-6)^2=0\) --> either \(y=0\) or \(y=6\) --> if \(y=0\), then \(x=-3\) and \(xy=0\) \(or\) if \(y=6\), then \(x=3\) and \(xy=18\). Two different answers. Not sufficient.

(2) \(x^3<0\). x is negative, hence x is not equals to 3, hence y must be 0. So, xy=0. Sufficient.

Answer: B.

The answer to this one is C right? B alone is not sufficient.

Don't forget that \(y*(x-3)^2=0.\) B alone is definitely sufficient. _________________

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Bunuel wrote:

4. Are x and y both positive? (1) 2x-2y=1 (2) x/y>1

(1) 2x-2y=1. Well this one is clearly insufficient. You can do it with number plugging OR consider the following: x and y both positive means that point (x,y) is in the I quadrant. 2x-2y=1 --> y=x-1/2, we know it's an equation of a line and basically question asks whether this line (all (x,y) points of this line) is only in I quadrant. It's just not possible. Not sufficient.

(2) x/y>1 --> x and y have the same sign. But we don't know whether they are both positive or both negative. Not sufficient.

(1)+(2) Again it can be done with different approaches. You should just find the one which is the less time-consuming and comfortable for you personally.

One of the approaches: \(2x-2y=1\) --> \(x=y+\frac{1}{2}\) \(\frac{x}{y}>1\) --> \(\frac{x-y}{y}>0\) --> substitute x --> \(\frac{1}{y}>0\) --> \(y\) is positive, and as \(x=y+\frac{1}{2}\), \(x\) is positive too. Sufficient.

Answer: C.

I do not wanna to be wrong but when we substitute x in x-y/y>0 we should not have 1/2y>0 ??? and not 1/y>0.......then the meaning that y is positive eitherway not change.

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carcass wrote:

Bunuel wrote:

4. Are x and y both positive? (1) 2x-2y=1 (2) x/y>1

(1) 2x-2y=1. Well this one is clearly insufficient. You can do it with number plugging OR consider the following: x and y both positive means that point (x,y) is in the I quadrant. 2x-2y=1 --> y=x-1/2, we know it's an equation of a line and basically question asks whether this line (all (x,y) points of this line) is only in I quadrant. It's just not possible. Not sufficient.

(2) x/y>1 --> x and y have the same sign. But we don't know whether they are both positive or both negative. Not sufficient.

(1)+(2) Again it can be done with different approaches. You should just find the one which is the less time-consuming and comfortable for you personally.

One of the approaches: \(2x-2y=1\) --> \(x=y+\frac{1}{2}\) \(\frac{x}{y}>1\) --> \(\frac{x-y}{y}>0\) --> substitute x --> \(\frac{1}{y}>0\) --> \(y\) is positive, and as \(x=y+\frac{1}{2}\), \(x\) is positive too. Sufficient.

Answer: C.

I do not wanna to be wrong but when we substitute x in x-y/y>0 we should not have 1/2y>0 ??? and not 1/y>0.......then the meaning that y is positive eitherway not change.

"I dropped 2, as (1/2y) > 0 and (1/y) >0 are absolutely the same (you can multiply both sides of inequality by 2 and you'll get 1/y>0). What is important that you can get that y>0 from either of them.

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Hi Bunuel, I have read all the responses to Q4. But I am still confused why C is the answer. Here is how I solved it.

4. Are x and y both positive? (1) 2x-2y=1 (2) x/y>1

1) Insufficient . First reduced equation to x-y=0.5 . Plugged in 2 positive and 2 negative values. I chose x=3, y=2.5 => 3-2.5=0.5 works.. then chose x= -1, y=-1.5 => -1 - (-1.5)= 0.5. works again. So x and y can be both +ve and -ve. So 1) is Insufficient. 2) x/y>1. Just tells us that both x and y have same sign. both are -ve or both are +ve. So Insufficient.

Now Combining, Picking the same values used in 1) x=3, y=2.5. both signs positive and x-y=0.5. works then chose x= -1, y=-1.5 => -1 - (-1.5)= 0.5 both signes negative. works as well. So we still don't know if both signs are +ve or -ve. So my answer is E.

Could you please take a look at my solution and tell me where I am going wrong? That would be a big help. Thanks a ton!

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liarish wrote:

Hi Bunuel, I have read all the responses to Q4. But I am still confused why C is the answer. Here is how I solved it.

4. Are x and y both positive? (1) 2x-2y=1 (2) x/y>1

1) Insufficient . First reduced equation to x-y=0.5 . Plugged in 2 positive and 2 negative values. I chose x=3, y=2.5 => 3-2.5=0.5 works.. then chose x= -1, y=-1.5 => -1 - (-1.5)= 0.5. works again. So x and y can be both +ve and -ve. So 1) is Insufficient. 2) x/y>1. Just tells us that both x and y have same sign. both are -ve or both are +ve. So Insufficient.

Now Combining, Picking the same values used in 1) x=3, y=2.5. both signs positive and x-y=0.5. works then chose x= -1, y=-1.5 => -1 - (-1.5)= 0.5 both signes negative. works as well. So we still don't know if both signs are +ve or -ve. So my answer is E.

Could you please take a look at my solution and tell me where I am going wrong? That would be a big help. Thanks a ton!

If x= -1 and y=-1.5, then x/y=2/3<1, so these values don't satisfy the second statement.

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liarish wrote: Hi Bunuel, I have read all the responses to Q4. But I am still confused why C is the answer. Here is how I solved it.

4. Are x and y both positive? (1) 2x-2y=1 (2) x/y>1

1) Insufficient . First reduced equation to x-y=0.5 . Plugged in 2 positive and 2 negative values. I chose x=3, y=2.5 => 3-2.5=0.5 works.. then chose x= -1, y=-1.5 => -1 - (-1.5)= 0.5. works again. So x and y can be both +ve and -ve. So 1) is Insufficient. 2) x/y>1. Just tells us that both x and y have same sign. both are -ve or both are +ve. So Insufficient.

Now Combining, Picking the same values used in 1) x=3, y=2.5. both signs positive and x-y=0.5. works then chose x= -1, y=-1.5 => -1 - (-1.5)= 0.5 both signes negative. works as well. So we still don't know if both signs are +ve or -ve. So my answer is E.

Could you please take a look at my solution and tell me where I am going wrong? That would be a big help. Thanks a ton!

If x= -1 and y=-1.5, then x/y=2/3<1, so these values don't satisfy the second statement.

This question is also discussed here: are-x-and-y-both-positive-1-2x-2y-1-2-x-y-93964.html

Hope it helps.

Great.. I get it now.. Thanks Bunuel.

I am also stuck at Q10 :

10. If n is not equal to 0, is |n| < 4 ? (1) n^2 > 16 (2) 1/|n| > n

We need to see if |n|<4 (this means -4<n<4)

1) n^2>16 => n<-4 and n>4 So from n<-4, |n|<|-4| = |n|<4 (works) But n>4 does not work. Doesn't that make 1) Insufficient?

Could you please tell me what I am doing wrong here ??

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04 Oct 2012, 03:39

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liarish wrote: Hi Bunuel, I have read all the responses to Q4. But I am still confused why C is the answer. Here is how I solved it.

4. Are x and y both positive? (1) 2x-2y=1 (2) x/y>1

1) Insufficient . First reduced equation to x-y=0.5 . Plugged in 2 positive and 2 negative values. I chose x=3, y=2.5 => 3-2.5=0.5 works.. then chose x= -1, y=-1.5 => -1 - (-1.5)= 0.5. works again. So x and y can be both +ve and -ve. So 1) is Insufficient. 2) x/y>1. Just tells us that both x and y have same sign. both are -ve or both are +ve. So Insufficient.

Now Combining, Picking the same values used in 1) x=3, y=2.5. both signs positive and x-y=0.5. works then chose x= -1, y=-1.5 => -1 - (-1.5)= 0.5 both signes negative. works as well. So we still don't know if both signs are +ve or -ve. So my answer is E.

Could you please take a look at my solution and tell me where I am going wrong? That would be a big help. Thanks a ton!

If x= -1 and y=-1.5, then x/y=2/3<1, so these values don't satisfy the second statement.

This question is also discussed here: are-x-and-y-both-positive-1-2x-2y-1-2-x-y-93964.html

Hope it helps.

Great.. I get it now.. Thanks Bunuel.

I am also stuck at Q10 :

10. If n is not equal to 0, is |n| < 4 ? (1) n^2 > 16 (2) 1/|n| > n

We need to see if |n|<4 (this means -4<n<4)

1) n^2>16 => n<-4 and n>4 So from n<-4, |n|<|-4| = |n|<4 (works) But n>4 does not work. Doesn't that make 1) Insufficient?

Could you please tell me what I am doing wrong here ??

If n<-4, then n, for example can be -4.5 --> |-4.5|=4.5>4, so |n|<4 doesn't hold true.

If n is not equal to 0, is |n| < 4 ?

Question basically asks whether \(-4<n<4\), so whether \(n\) is some number from this range.

(1) n^2>16. This implies that either \(n>4\) or \(n<-4\). No number from these ranges is between -4 and 4, thus the answer to the question whether \(-4<n<4\) is NO. Since we have a definite answer then this statement is sufficient.

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04 Oct 2012, 03:53

Bunuel I have very clear the 1 statement but not so much the secon one : 1/|n|< n this is true only for negative value. So we could have i. e. : -1 or -6 so insuff but how we you arrive to this conclusion: _________________

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