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I have gone through all the posts in this thread but I have doubt regarding:
"The Olympic Games helped to keep peace among the pugnacious states"

How can Olympic games "Help"?
it should be "the organizing of Olympic games helped"

Above point is similar to reasoning provided that for option B: "proclaiming" can not be done by Olympic Games(logical)

Kindly clarify

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There's no reason to expend any energy attempting to understand if the non-underlined portion is correct. We can't change it!

But for what it's worth, the usage is similar to the following:

    "Basketball helped Kara deal with her despair after baseball season ended."

In this case, the sentence conveys the notion that it was "watching basketball" or "playing basketball" that helped Kara in her time of need, not that the sport itself was taking long therapeutic strolls with Kara. The point here is that "ABSTRACT NOUN DID X" is a fairly common construction in English, but it's rarely a decision point on the GMAT -- and it's absolutely never a problem if it's not underlined. :)

I hope that helps!
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For option B, why can't proclaiming modify the action of helped in the previous clause? Explaining how the Olympic game helped the peace?
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For option B, why can't proclaiming modify the action of helped in the previous clause? Explaining how the Olympic game helped the peace?

Yes, but the agent of proclaiming would continue to be Olympic Games, making option B untenable.

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GMATNinja Quoting you from a post on another question, "The easiest way to assess whether a COMMA + VERB-ing construction works is to recognize that the VERB-ing modifier could be performing one of two functions. It could A) be giving you a consequence of the action given in the previous clause or B) giving you context for the action in the previous clause."

It seems to me as if VERB-ing in answer choice B is performing function B. Please correct me if I am wrong here. Also, it would help immensely if you explain why B is wrong. Thank you.
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The Olympic Games helped to keep peace among the pugnacious states of the Greek world in that a sacred truce was proclaimed during the festival's month.

I'm happy to help with this. :-)
This is GMAT SC #60 in the OG13.

(A) world in that a sacred truce was proclaimed during the festival's month
The OG feels that the phrase "in that" is somewhat stilted and over-formal. It does use two words where one would suffice. This one is not black & white wrong, but more a shade of gray. If all the other answers were clearly wrong, this probably could pass as a correct anwer.

(B) world, proclaiming a sacred truce during the festival’s month
Misplaced modifier. The world isn't "proclaiming", so who is? The games? the states? The GMAT doesn't like ambiguity. Also, this sentence has two distinct actions, so it would be best phrased as two full [noun] + [verb] clauses, and this option casts the second half of the sentence as a participial phrase rather than as a clause. This is wrong.

(C) world when they proclaimed a sacred truce for the festival month
A pronoun with unclear antecedent --- does "they" mean the states? the games? the people of Greece (not mentioned explicitly --- another no-no for antecedents on the GMAT!). The antecedent of the pronoun "they" is ambiguity. On GMAT SC, ambiguity = death. This is wrong.

(D) world, for a sacred truce was proclaimed during the month of the festival
Very clear. We have two full clauses, joined by the conjunction "for" (which means "because"), thus making clear the causal link between the two actions. This is sleek, efficient, and direct ---- a very strong answer.

(E) world by proclamation of a sacred truce that was for the month of the festival
A winner of the flabby awkward Olympics! This changes the verb "proclaimed" to a noun "proclamation", and almost invariably, this is the GMAT's strategy for changing a correct answer into a wrong answer. Whenever a verb is re-written as a noun, that almost always makes the sentence more awkward, less direct, and more wordy --- that's exactly what we have here. This version is an unholy abomination that should be taken out back and shot. This is incorrect.

Again, if everything else failed, we might go with (A) in a pinch, but here, (D) is a much stronger answer --- clearly (D) is the best possible answer here.

Mike :-)


I rejected D because it changed the original meaning of the sentence from a qualifier relationship to a causal relationship. Please guide How i could have prevented this error from happening ?
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I rejected D because it changed the original meaning of the sentence from a qualifier relationship to a causal relationship. Please guide How i could have prevented this error from happening ?

A friendly public service announcement: SC answer choices are never incorrect because they change the "original" meaning. There is no original meaning. There are simply five different ways to write a sentence, and our job is to select the best of those five. Moreover, if the meaning in (A) were illogical, you'd want to change the meaning.

"In that" means something to the effect of "in the sense that." We'd be most likely to use that construction to help explain an unclear or non-literal concept.

Here, there's nothing unclear or non-literal about the concept of keeping peace. It makes far more sense to explain why the Olympic games helped to keep peace, as (D) does, then to provide additional information about what keeping peace means, as we see in (A). Because (D) is more logical, it's better. It doesn't matter which came first.

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GMATNinja Quoting you from a post on another question, "The easiest way to assess whether a COMMA + VERB-ing construction works is to recognize that the VERB-ing modifier could be performing one of two functions. It could A) be giving you a consequence of the action given in the previous clause or B) giving you context for the action in the previous clause."

It seems to me as if VERB-ing in answer choice B is performing function B. Please correct me if I am wrong here. Also, it would help immensely if you explain why B is wrong. Thank you.

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(B) The Olympic Games helped to keep peace among the pugnacious states of the Greek world, proclaiming a sacred truce during the festival’s month.

Yeah, I think it's fair to say that "proclaiming a sacred truce during the festival's month" is trying to give us context for the action in the previous clause. But it's pretty confusing: who, exactly, is doing the proclaiming? Are the Olympic Games themselves proclaiming a truce? The "Greek world"? I don't think either of those make much sense.

Notice that (D) avoids the issue completely: "a truce was proclaimed" is passive voice, but at least it's not illogical.

The other issue I see with (B) is the possessive phrase "festival's month". How does a festival possess a month? That doesn't make much sense, either.

To be fair, I think this is a pretty darned tough question. I think (D) sounds like hot garbage, but sound doesn't matter on GMAT SC, right?

I hope this helps a bit!
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proclaim means "announcing officially"
truce - an agreement between two rivals/enemies/teams
and pugnacious means - combative/aggressive

But Option B says -
The Olympic Games helped to keep peace among the pugnacious states of the Greek world, proclaiming a sacred truce during the festival’s month.
meaning -
The olympic games helped to keep peace by announcing an agreement of peace.
No, the games did not announce, may be some person announced.
but what sentence actually want to say is -
The olympic games helped to keep peace among aggressive states in Greek world by an announcement (proclamation) (of a sacred agreement of piece) during month of the festival.
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The Olympic Games helped to keep peace among the pugnacious states of the Greek world in that a sacred truce was proclaimed during the festival’s month.

(A) world in that a sacred truce was proclaimed during the festival’s month

"festival's month" is unidiomatic.
Another example: incorrect: "table's legs". and it should be "legs of the table".
Therefore, it should be "month of the festival"


In addition, "in that" is usually used to describe characteristics of human/animals/objects. For example: Humans are mammals in that they are warm-blooded.
But in this answer choice, what comes after "in that" is not a characteristic of any objects.

(B) world, proclaiming a sacred truce during the festival’s month

1. same problem as in A (festival's month)

2. "proclaiming" can be ambiguous since it could refer to "The Olympic Games" or "states of the Greek".



(C) world when they proclaimed a sacred truce for the festival month

"they" could be ambiguous.

In addition, in the original sentence, "in that" means "because". However, C uses "when" which doesn't convey the idea of the casual relationships.


(D) world, for a sacred truce was proclaimed during the month of the festival

Correct.

(E) world by proclamation of a sacred truce that was for the month of the festival

"that was" makes it sound like the truce was "only valid for a month of that festival". However, the original sentence meant to be "a truce proclaimed in the month of the fest". Remember, "that was" only meant a period of time.

Originally posted by emcheeks on 03 Jul 2020, 10:52.
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I am a non-native speaker and I have a question on D:

"for a sacred truce was proclaimed during the month of the festival".

I thought "for" could only be followed by noun, but it seems to be followed by a sentence. Or maybe there was a "that" which was omitted to make it "for a scared truce that was proclaim..."?

If yes, I am confused about when we should keep or omit "that".
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I am a non-native speaker and I have a question on D:

"for a sacred truce was proclaimed during the month of the festival".

I thought "for" could only be followed by noun, but it seems to be followed by a sentence. Or maybe there was a "that" which was omitted to make it "for a scared truce that was proclaim..."?

If yes, I am confused about when we should keep or omit "that".
Hi emcheeks,

This for means "because".

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The Olympic Games helped to keep peace among the pugnacious states of the Greek world in that a sacred truce was proclaimed during the festival’s month.


(A) world in that a sacred truce was proclaimed during the festival’s month

(B) world, proclaiming a sacred truce during the festival’s month

(C) world when they proclaimed a sacred truce for the festival month

(D) world, for a sacred truce was proclaimed during the month of the festival

(E) world by proclamation of a sacred truce that was for the month of the festival


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I went to the discussion.However I could not decipher the proper meaning.I understand 'For' means 'Because', which is used to state reason.basically the 'WHY' part.But how does this makes sense in this question.

Is the sentence trying to say : Olympic helped to keep peace because truce was proclaimed.

Or in other words-

Question: why did Olympic help keep peace.

Answer: Because truce was proclaimed.

I could not understand the causal oink between these 2 statement since meaning is not making sense.(is it a part of truce-written agreement- to keep peace through Olympic games?

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nuroahdfj567 wrote:
GMATNinja Quoting you from a post on another question, "The easiest way to assess whether a COMMA + VERB-ing construction works is to recognize that the VERB-ing modifier could be performing one of two functions. It could A) be giving you a consequence of the action given in the previous clause or B) giving you context for the action in the previous clause."

It seems to me as if VERB-ing in answer choice B is performing function B. Please correct me if I am wrong here. Also, it would help immensely if you explain why B is wrong. Thank you.

Here's the full sentence, with (B) inserted into it:

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(B) The Olympic Games helped to keep peace among the pugnacious states of the Greek world, proclaiming a sacred truce during the festival’s month.

Yeah, I think it's fair to say that "proclaiming a sacred truce during the festival's month" is trying to give us context for the action in the previous clause. But it's pretty confusing: who, exactly, is doing the proclaiming? Are the Olympic Games themselves proclaiming a truce? The "Greek world"? I don't think either of those make much sense.

Notice that (D) avoids the issue completely: "a truce was proclaimed" is passive voice, but at least it's not illogical.

The other issue I see with (B) is the possessive phrase "festival's month". How does a festival possess a month? That doesn't make much sense, either.

To be fair, I think this is a pretty darned tough question. I think (D) sounds like hot garbage, but sound doesn't matter on GMAT SC, right?

I hope this helps a bit!

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D) The Olympic Games helped to keep peace among the pugnacious states of the Greek world, for a sacred truce was proclaimed during the month of the festival.

But, from choice D (correct choice), we still don't know who, exactly, is doing the proclaiming, do we?
Am I missing anything?
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But, from choice D (correct choice), we still don't know who, exactly, is doing the proclaiming, do we?
Am I missing anything?


In Option B ', proclaiming...' is an action modifier, which is implying that the doer of the action 'proclaiming' is The Olympic Games - the subject of the main clause.

But as per the original sentence, there is no information about the doer of the action 'proclaim' and hence option B is distorting the meaning.

In option D, "a sacred truce was proclaimed during the month of the festival" is written in the passive voice, which does not give information about the doer and does not create any ambiguity about the doer of the action 'proclaim'.


Experts, correct me if I am wrong.
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But as per the original sentence, there is no information about the doer of the action 'proclaim' and hence option B is distorting the meaning.

Hi Ravs113,

My reply is not specific to this question, but the first option is not special. We should not assume that the correct option will always convey the same meaning as the first option. We should go through all the five options, and then take a call on the intended meaning.
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Hi Ravs113,

My reply is not specific to this question, but the first option is not special. We should not assume that the correct option will always convey the same meaning as the first option. We should go through all the five options, and then take a call on the intended meaning.


Hi AjiteshArun,

My understanding is that if the intended meaning in the given sentence is not clear, then we have to rely on answer choices. But if the intent is clear, then we should avoid the choices which have a meaning error.
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Hi GMATNinja, egmat, CJAnish,

In option C – can we say that the use of “whendistorts the meaning. Acc. to me “when” as a time indicator seems to modify the verb “helped”.

Therefore, this options apparently emphasises the instance when the peace was kept among nations instead of the intended or logical meaning – i.e how the Olympic Games helped to keep peace among nations.

Would appreciate if you could help me here!
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