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I found this nice explanation on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lefh_Ywk3qw
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In a room filled with 7 people, 4 people have exactly 1 sibling in the room and 3 people have exactly 2 siblings in the room. If two individuals are selected from the room at random, what is the probability that those two individuals are NOT siblings?

A. 5/21
B. 3/7
C. 4/7
D. 5/7
E. 16/21


We have three groups: AA, BB, CCC
We can "win" in two ways:
1. We select either A or B and then select someone other than their sibling. \(\frac{4}{7}*\frac{5}{6} = \frac{20}{42}\)
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2. We select C and then someone other than their sibling. \(\frac{3}{7}*\frac{4}{6} = \frac{12}{42}\)
\(\frac{20}{42}+\frac{12}{42} = \frac{32}{42} = \frac{16}{21}\)
Answer choice E.

We could also have found the probability of "losing" and subtracted from 1.
1. We select either A or B and then select their sibling. \(\frac{4}{7}*\frac{1}{6} = \frac{4}{42}\)
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2. We select C and then their sibling. \(\frac{3}{7}*\frac{2}{6} = \frac{6}{42}\)
\(\frac{4}{42}+\frac{6}{42} = \frac{10}{42} = \frac{5}{21}\)
\(1-\frac{5}{21} = \frac{16}{21}\)
Answer choice E.
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Re: In a room filled with 7 people, 4 people have exactly 1 sibling in the [#permalink]
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Hi, ian.
Would you mind explaining approach 3 that bunuel accounted for?


Bunuel explained that solution a bit further down on page one of this thread. He first divided the seven people into sibling groups, which is a complication there's no need to think about here.

Could you explain why the grouping into sibling group is not necessary? I see your simplistic approach but I am not able to replicate the #ways to choose 2 siblings that are NOT related without grouping them.
I understand 2C1*2C1 for # ways to pick NOT-siblings from the 4 person w/ 1 sibling group.
add this to
#ways to get 2C1*3C1 to pick NoT-siblings from the 3person with 2 sibling group.
and multiply that by 2 because 3C1 could pair with one of the other pairs with 1 sibling group.

Not sure how to come up with 16 without grouping them like this..spent hours.. intellectual stimulation study method vs. needing to get the target score are at odds.
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Could you explain why the grouping into sibling group is not necessary?


I'm not sure how to answer a question like this, except by saying that we can get the answer without thinking about that complication. If you think about picking people one at a time, when you pick the first person, there are just two possibilities:

• 4/7 of the time, you pick a person with one sibling (and we thus have a 5/6 probability the second person we pick is not a sibling of the first)
• 3/7 of the time, you pick a person with two siblings (and we thus have a 4/6 probability the second person we pick is not a sibling of the first)

So we can just split the problem into two cases from the outset, and we don't need to think about how the various people can be related -- since we add when we have cases, the answer is just (4/7)(5/6) + (3/7)(4/6).
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Re: In a room filled with 7 people, 4 people have exactly 1 sibling in the [#permalink]
This answer is probably among the responses somewhere, however:

4 people have 1 sibling, so that means two sibling pairs.

3 people have two siblings. That can be created by a family of A,B and C. Three pairs can be created from this group.

So there are a total of 5 sibling pairs.

The number of ways 2 people can be selected from 7 is:

7!/2!5!= 21
So the probability of selecting a sibling pair is:

5/21 and the probability of drawing a non sibling pair is:
1-5/21 = 16/21

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Re: In a room filled with 7 people, 4 people have exactly 1 sibling in the [#permalink]
Hi

Why is the following approach wrong?

Ways to select 1 out of 4 (who have 1 sibling each): 4C1 = 4
Ways to select 1 out of 3 (who have 2 siblings each): 3C1 =3

Desirable outcomes = 4x3 = 12

Total possible outcomes = 7C1 = 21.

So, probability = 12/21 = 4/7
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Why is the following approach wrong?

Ways to select 1 out of 4 (who have 1 sibling each): 4C1 = 4
Ways to select 1 out of 3 (who have 2 siblings each): 3C1 =3

Desirable outcomes = 4x3 = 12

Total possible outcomes = 7C1 = 21.

So, probability = 12/21 = 4/7




There are several issues with your approach and I recommend studying the combinatorics topics.

First, you would benefit by drawing a diagram of the people and pairs from the wording of the question:

Pair A1,A2
Pair B1, B2
Pairs C1,C2; C1,C3; C2,C3


Your approach starts down the path of finding the number of sibling pairs, which is fine, but you continue this approach through to the answer, but the question is asking for probability of NON sibling pairs. So, you're losing focus.

Back to your starting point.

Your approach for finding the number of sibling pairs among the 4 people is incorrect and is actually the number of ways to select 1 person from 4.

So it counts person A1 and Person A2 as two choices, even though they both could comprise 1 pair, so the approach double counts and the correct number of sibling pairs among the four people is:

2


Your approach for the number of pairs from the 3 people is correct because there ARE 3 pairs and the answer is:

3

Your approach following this is to multiply these results together, which is incorrect.

Multiplying means pairing each answer from one calculation with each answer from the other, which doesn't make sense since it would be forming non-sibling pairs, right ? A1 and C2 would be joined up, but they're not siblings.

So ADDING the results above is the correct approach, equal to:

5

Since these are pairs of people, the probability of these needs to be computed in comparison to the total ways TWO people can be drawn from the 7, or:

7!/2!5! = 21

So the probability of drawing a sibling pair is then:

5/21

Now, back to your final calculation. You stopped at the point above.

Since the question is asking for the probability of NOT drawing a sibling pair, the above needs to be subtracted from 1:

1-5/16 = 11/16

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