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# Marife: That was a bad movie because, by not providing viewers with

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Re: Marife: That was a bad movie because, by not providing viewers with [#permalink]
Saasingh wrote:
Clearly between C and E.

(C) whether the movie should be classified as a murder mystery
Yes, I think this is the correct one. First person clearly states that it is a requirement of murder mysteries that viewers be given clues to solve the mysteries. This first person thinks that the movie is indeed a murder mystery.

Second person, on the other hand, states that the filmmaker wanted to keep the murder thing as a side thing and his primary focus was something else. Clearly, in the second person's opinion, the movie is not a murder mystery as murder is a side element in the story.

(E) whether the filmmaker wanted viewers to be able to solve the murder
Wrong in my opinion.
First person simply states what are pre-requisites of a murder mystery. She never talks or implies that filmmaker "wanted" the viewers to be able to solve the mystery. So she cannot disagree with the second person on this topic.
Second person, on other hand, clearly believes that filmmaker does not want to divert any attention to murder stuff, and that murder element is just a secondary thing.

I welcome any comments on my reasoning

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Hi Saakshi,

C couldn't be the answer, I am just going with your reasoning of C.

"First-person clearly states that it is a requirement of murder mysteries that viewers be given clues to solve the mysteries. This first-person thinks that the movie is indeed a murder mystery."

So it means that First-person states that a movie cannot be classified as a Murder mystery. Clear logic.

But for 2nd person, he states that the Filmmaker wants us to focus on something else rather than the murder mystery. According to the second person, the movie could be a murder mystery/ couldn't be a murder mystery, it didn't tell us anything. In fact, if you can still assume for 2nd person as well that he didn't regard this movie as a murder mystery.

So both 1st and 2nd person basically just agree on C. But we have to find on which they disagree.

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Saasingh wrote:
Clearly between C and E.

(C) whether the movie should be classified as a murder mystery
Yes, I think this is the correct one. First person clearly states that it is a requirement of murder mysteries that viewers be given clues to solve the mysteries. This first person thinks that the movie is indeed a murder mystery.

Second person, on the other hand, states that the filmmaker wanted to keep the murder thing as a side thing and his primary focus was something else. Clearly, in the second person's opinion, the movie is not a murder mystery as murder is a side element in the story.

(E) whether the filmmaker wanted viewers to be able to solve the murder
Wrong in my opinion.
First person simply states what are pre-requisites of a murder mystery. She never talks or implies that filmmaker "wanted" the viewers to be able to solve the mystery. So she cannot disagree with the second person on this topic.
Second person, on other hand, clearly believes that filmmaker does not want to divert any attention to murder stuff, and that murder element is just a secondary thing.

I welcome any comments on my reasoning

Appreciate Kudos if it helps xD

Regards,
Saakhi

Hi Saakshi,

C couldn't be the answer, I am just going with your reasoning of C.

"First-person clearly states that it is a requirement of murder mysteries that viewers be given clues to solve the mysteries. This first-person thinks that the movie is indeed a murder mystery."

So it means that First-person states that a movie cannot be classified as a Murder mystery. Clear logic.

But for 2nd person, he states that the Filmmaker wants us to focus on something else rather than the murder mystery. According to the second person, the movie could be a murder mystery/ couldn't be a murder mystery, it didn't tell us anything. In fact, if you can still assume for 2nd person as well that he didn't regard this movie as a murder mystery.

So both 1st and 2nd person basically just agree on C. But we have to find on which they disagree.

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Siddharth

Hey Siddharth,

I disagree with this inference in your reasoning: So it means that First-person states that a movie cannot be classified as a Murder mystery. Clear logic.

I actually think that the first person agrees that the movie is indeed a murder mystery. Here's why :

Marife: That was a bad movie because, by not providing viewers with all the information necessary for solving the murder, it violated a requirement of murder mysteries.

This first person clearly states that the movie is a bad movie because it doesn't fulfill the requirement of murder mysteries. That's only possible to say when she believes that movie WAS a murder mystery.

Imagine this : I say Anabelle is a bad movie as it didn't scare me. Scaring is a pre-requisite of a horror movie. And in my opinion it's a bad film as it didn't scare me.
Am I not implicitly assuming that Anabelle is a horror film ?

So indeed first person believes that movie was murder mystery. Just that it was a "bad" murder mystery.
And second person believes murder mystery is a side element, so it is not a murder mystery.

That's how they disagree.

Also, option E is definitely wrong. First person nowhere implicitly or explicitly states what the filmmaker wants.

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I agree with you.
Both persons disagree on the movie genre
First guy thinks it is a murder mystery story.
2nd guy thinks this is a movie on developing complex relationship between 2 protagonists and murder mystery is used as plot to narrate the main story

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Re: Marife: That was a bad movie because, by not providing viewers with [#permalink]
for me between A or C.
Maybe C...
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Re: Marife: That was a bad movie because, by not providing viewers with [#permalink]
Don't know if I am fully satisfied with C.

Nguyen doesn't actually disagree about the movie's classification per se...he/she simply says that the murder shouldn't be the defining characteristic...it's a backdrop to the complex relationship. But saying something is secondary IS NOT the same as denying what the proper classification is.

E seems appropriate because we can infer in both cases that there is a disagreement about the intent behind the movie.

Tricky...what do others think?
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Re: Marife: That was a bad movie because, by not providing viewers with [#permalink]
Choice D seems correct to me here, Nguyen argues that the murder part is sideline - so it is not appropriate to try finding the clues that all murder movies must meet. Marife clearly thinks this is right and she does it as we see in the argument.

Choice C seems incorrect because by saying that the movie violates the criteria of a murder mystery, Marife can be thought to agree that it is indeed not a murder mystery.
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Re: Marife: That was a bad movie because, by not providing viewers with [#permalink]
­Hi 8Harshitsharma

Happy to discuss.
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Marife: That was a bad movie because, by not providing viewers with all the information necessary for solving the murder, it violated a requirement of murder mysteries.

This means that Marife classifies the movie as a "Murder Mystery". We can infer this from the fact that Marife is evaluating the quality of the movie by measuring it against the requirements of murder mysteries.
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Nguyen: But the filmmaker wanted viewers to focus on the complex relationship between the chief detective and her assistant. The murder just provided the context in which the relationship developed, and should not be taken as a defining characteristic of the film.

By saying that the main focus was the "complex relationship between the detective and her assistant" and that "the murder just provided context", Nguyen implies that this is not a "Murder Mystery" in the first place. So, Nguyen does NOT disagree/debate with Marife on what constitutes a good "murder mystery". Nguyen merely suggests that Marife should not be evaluating this movie as a 'murder mystery' in the first place.
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Choice C: whether the movie should be classified as a murder mystery
• Correct: This is precisely the point of disagreement as explained above.

Choice D: the appropriateness of trying to find criteria that all mystery movies must meet
• Incorrect: This would have been possible if they both agreed that the movie was a murder mystery and were debating what makes a murder mystery good or bad. They clearly disagree on whether the movie should even be classified as a murder myster.

Hope this clarifies.
Happy learning!

-Abhishek

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