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Hey Noburu,

I'll post the same response in both places, just in case. However, I believe that I'm entirely consistent in these two examples. It's okay to start a sentence/clause with it, as in: "It sure is raining a lot today." Yes, that "it" has no antecedent, but we allow this usage. In the example you cite here, the problem in answer choice A is not the first "it", but the second "it", which could be referring to "coordination" or "orderly financing". Though ambiguity is an issue that GMAT sometimes ignores and sometimes doesn't, it's clearly better here to get rid of that extra pronoun. Remember that we ALSO have a "their", which makes for three pronouns in 8 words (in answer choice A).

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Hey Noburu,

I'll post the same response in both places, just in case. However, I believe that I'm entirely consistent in these two examples. It's okay to start a sentence/clause with it, as in: "It sure is raining a lot today." Yes, that "it" has no antecedent, but we allow this usage. In the example you cite here, the problem in answer choice A is not the first "it", but the second "it", which could be referring to "coordination" or "orderly financing". Though ambiguity is an issue that GMAT sometimes ignores and sometimes doesn't, it's clearly better here to get rid of that extra pronoun. Remember that we ALSO have a "their", which makes for three pronouns in 8 words (in answer choice A).

Hope that's clearer!

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Perfectly clear now.

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A gerund is an -ing word that is a NOUN formed from a verb. "The running of the bulls", for example. A participle is an -ing or -ed word that is an ADJECTIVE formed from a verb. If I say "rising interest rates", "rising" is clearly an adjective/participle modifying "interest rates". If I said, "The sun's rising came as a shock", now "rising" has become a noun/gerund. Is that clear?

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Is not so clear.
"Rising rates is a measure taken by the Federal Reserve to bla bla bla..."
In this case Rising is a gerund, and therefore Singular.

In this SC question, i dont see that "rising" is an adjective modifying rates...


Dear noboru,

I have something to add over here.

"Rising rates is a measure taken by the Federal Reserve to bla bla bla..." - here in order to interpret 'rising' as gerund, it has to be the verb 'raise' i.e. gerund formed by the verb 'raise' - 'raising' because, 'raise' is a transitive verb, needs an object (rates)
therefore, proper gerund sentence IMO needs to be, "Raising rates is a measure taken by the Federal Reserve to bla bla bla..."

hope it makes sense. correct me, if i am wrong.

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A gerund is an -ing word that is a NOUN formed from a verb. "The running of the bulls", for example. A participle is an -ing or -ed word that is an ADJECTIVE formed from a verb. If I say "rising interest rates", "rising" is clearly an adjective/participle modifying "interest rates". If I said, "The sun's rising came as a shock", now "rising" has become a noun/gerund. Is that clear?

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Is not so clear.
"Rising rates is a measure taken by the Federal Reserve to bla bla bla..."
In this case Rising is a gerund, and therefore Singular.

In this SC question, i dont see that "rising" is an adjective modifying rates...


Dear noboru,

I have something to add over here.

"Rising rates is a measure taken by the Federal Reserve to bla bla bla..." - here in order to interpret 'rising' as gerund, it has to be the verb 'raise' i.e. gerund formed by the verb 'raise' - 'raising' because, 'raise' is a transitive verb, needs an object (rates)
therefore, proper gerund sentence IMO needs to be, "Raising rates is a measure taken by the Federal Reserve to bla bla bla..."

hope it makes sense. correct me, if i am wrong.

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How stupid!
Many thanks. That clarify my confusion.
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Noting that the Federal Reserve had raised a key short-term interest rate again last month, analysts said that they expected orders for durable goods to decline soon because rising interest makes it more expensive to buy them on credit

(A) rising interest makes it more expensive to buy them on credit
(B) rising interest rates make buying on credit more expensive
(C) a rise in interest rates make it more expensive to buy on credit
(D) a rise in interest rates make buying on credit more expensive
(E) a rise in interest rates makes it more expensive for them to be bought on credit

I don't understand the official answer (B). I was sure there was a singular/plural problem (makeS)....

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I am afraid your text has some vital typos; rising is repeated twice; you might have missed including some important words. Please goggle the text and confirm.

Obviously, you can not understand, if the text is wrong per se.
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Noting that the Federal Reserve had raised a key short-term interest rate again last month, analysts said that they expected orders for durable goods to decline soon because rising interest makes it more expensive to buy them on credit

(A) rising interest makes it more expensive to buy them on credit
(B) rising interest rates make buying on credit more expensive
(C) a rise in interest rates make it more expensive to buy on credit
(D) a rise in interest rates make buying on credit more expensive
(E) a rise in interest rates makes it more expensive for them to be bought on credit

I don't understand the official answer (B). I was sure there was a singular/plural problem (makeS)....

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A,C,E are out becaus eof the pronoun IT...while orders is plural...so the pronoun shall be them..

In D...a rise(Singular) in interest rates make (should be makes not make) buying on credit more expensive ..

In B ..rising interest rates (plural) make (plural) buying on credit more expensive ..perfect
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I agree with all the work people have done here. A quick note about singular/plural in this construction. Both of the following can be correct:

"Rising interest rates make borrowing more expensive."

"Rising interests rates makes borrowing more expensive."

The difference between the two is that in the first examples, we are talking about the various interest rates that are rising individually. In the second example, we're referring to the collective rising of interest rates.

Consider:

"The attitude of students in my class is generally negative." --> Here we're referring to the collective, overall attitude.
"The attitudes of students in my class are generally negative." --> Here we're referring to the attitudes individually, and we're saying that maybe 9 out of 11 are negative.

The difference between the students and interest rates example is that you can't make "Rising" plural...at least not in English.
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Noting that the Federal Reserve had raised a key short-term interest rate against last month, analysts said that they expected orders for durable goods to decline soon because rising interest rates makes it more expensive to buy them on credit.

A. rising interest rates makes it more expensive to buy them on credit
B. rising interest rates make buying on credit more expensive
C. a rise in interest rates make it more expensive to buy on credit
D. a rise in interest rates make buying on credit more expensive
E. a rise in interest rates makes it more expensive for them to be bought on credit

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It --> has no clear reference
A,C,E --> OUT

D- a rise -- make (wrong sub-verb agreement)

B is the best.. (rising-adj) rates -- make (No problem with S-V agreement and also No agmbiguity)


Good catch on D. I had B or D and chose D instead :( Thanks for the explanation.

D. a rise [in interest rates] make buying on credit more expensive (we should remove the bracketed preposition to make it easier to find the Subject Verb agreement)

a rise make buying on credit more expensive .. this is clearly wrong
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Noting that the Federal Reserve had raised a key short-term interest rate against last month, analysts said that they expected orders for durable goods to decline soon because rising interest rates makes it more expensive to buy them on credit.

(A) rising interest rates makes it more expensive to buy them on credit
(B) rising interest rates make buying on credit more expensive -correct
(C) a rise in interest rates make it more expensive to buy on credit -
(D) a rise in interest rates make buying on credit more expensive
(E) a rise in interest rates makes it more expensive for them to be bought on credit

'It' has not clear reference - eliminate A,C,E ... a rise - singular subject - should be followed by 'makes' . D is eliminated

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B it is....
Simple elimination....
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Plenty of confusion here, so I thought it might be worth my weighing in:

Noting that the Federal Reserve had raised a key short-term interest rate against last month, analysts said that they expected orders for durable goods to decline soon because rising interest rates makes it more expensive to buy them on credit.

(A) rising interest rates makes it more expensive to buy them on credit
(B) rising interest rates make buying on credit more expensive
(C) a rise in interest rates make it more expensive to buy on credit
(D) a rise in interest rates make buying on credit more expensive
(E) a rise in interest rates makes it more expensive for them to be bought on credit

Okay looking here, we have a couple categories that should jump out. First is simple subject-verb agreement. We notice because the verb "make" goes singular and plural. A is out because "rising interest rates" are plural, so the verb shouldn't have an -s on the end. C and D are also out, because "a rise" is singular, so the verb should be "makes".

We're left with B and E. This is one of the VERY RARE times when it comes down to a concision/voice issue. What I mean is that B and E say the same thing, but E does it using the horribly wordy passive voice (to be bought). Notice that both B and E have a bad pronoun (them is highly ambiguous, because it could refer to durable goods, orders, interest rates...almost anything), but because they BOTH have it, we don't need to worry about this issue.

The correct answer is B. Hope that helps!

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Is there use of "them" in option B?

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...............b IMO....!!!
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B makes sense. Thanks for the explanation.

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Rising ... rates------ subjet is rates (Plural)
a rise in...rates----- subjet is rise (singular)
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Rising ... rates------ subjet is rates (Plural)
a rise in...rates----- subjet is rise (singular)
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IMO B. interest rates are plural so need make and not makes. between B&E B is more concise.

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Noting that the Federal Reserve had raised a key short-term interest rate against last month, analysts said that they expected orders for durable goods to decline soon because rising interest rates makes it more expensive to buy them on credit.

(A) rising interest rates makes it more expensive to buy them on credit
(B) rising interest rates make buying on credit more expensive
(C) a rise in interest rates make it more expensive to buy on credit
(D) a rise in interest rates make buying on credit more expensive
(E) a rise in interest rates makes it more expensive for them to be bought on credit

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i pick B here. the subject is "rates" here. "it" does not have legit referent. E is just wordy. so B wins
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Noting that the Federal Reserve had raised a key short-term interest rate against last month, analysts said that they expected orders for durable goods to decline soon because rising interest rates makes it more expensive to buy them on credit.

(A) rising interest rates makes it more expensive to buy them on credit
(B) rising interest rates make buying on credit more expensive
(C) a rise in interest rates make it more expensive to buy on credit
(D) a rise in interest rates make buying on credit more expensive
(E) a rise in interest rates makes it more expensive for them to be bought on credit

Please explain your answers. Thanks.


Sure it's B.
A, C, E are wrong because "it" is not clear.
D is wrong because "a rise" is singular, it should go with "makes", not "make".
B is clear and concise. --> Correct.
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Noting that the Federal Reserve had raised a key short-term interest rate against last month, analysts said that they expected orders for durable goods to decline soon because rising interest rates makes it more expensive to buy them on credit.

(A) rising interest rates makes it more expensive to buy them on credit it and them are ambiguous
(B) rising interest rates make buying on credit more expensive looks fine
(C) a rise in interest rates make it more expensive to buy on credit it is ambiguous
(D) a rise in interest rates make buying on credit more expensive rise and make SV agreement issue
(E) a rise in interest rates makes it more expensive for them to be bought on credit it and them are ambiguous

Hence B

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