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Re: Subject / object pronoun [#permalink]
All of the tenants except Mr. Baumgardner and she intends on installing deadbolts.

her intend to install

she intend to install

Thanks for giving your opinion , i shall be thankful if you clarify the doubt against two answer choices given above.

My understanding is :

subject of above sentence is ( all except mr.xyz and she ) so why should we use her in place of she ? whom does her refer to ? , we don't have any antecedent

Pls clarify, thanks
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We have to have she here because we need a subject pronoun and not an object pronoun such as her. Hence she intend is right while her intend is wrong. You are right in your observation that her has no antecedent. (For that matter even she has no antecedent)
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We have to have she here because we need a subject pronoun and not an object pronoun such as her. Hence she intend is right while her intend is wrong. You are right in your observation that her has no antecedent. (For that matter even she has no antecedent)



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Here - the sentence has a complex subject. Who is performing the action? - Who intend/intends on installing deadbolts ? - We can figure out the subject is All of the tenants and not including Mr. Baumgardner and she.

That is the reason to pull out Mr. Baumgardner and she - to Objective form and notating as Mr. Baumgardner and her intend to install deadbolts.
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Re: Subject / object pronoun [#permalink]
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In this given question she is as much a subject as Mr. Baumgardner, both of whom are again part of the main subject all of the tenants. The element of object can normally arrive only after the verb has been stated.Since the she has been placed ahead of the verb, it is correct to assume that she is a subject pronoun.

Now let us look at the following example

Everybody except him came
Every body came except him

Are both the same? Obviously they are not.

In the first case, we have to say - everybody except he came, because he is part of the subject and is placed before the verb.

In the second case except him comes after the verb and is the object of the verb and hence the object case him has to be used.

Well!, English is so diverse that still one may find an odd case going against the grain of custom., but I am talking about the general norm here.

Of course what the antecedent of she is in the given example, GOK, as per which all of the given choices are flawed IMO.


Very nicely explained but then why do you think E is wrong?
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Great question here.

Subject pronouns (he, she, who...) are used to replace the subject in the sentence. You can identify the subject because it is the thing which is DOING the action:

He works at the store.
She loves to swim.
Who is going to the party?

The object form (her, his, whom...) replaces a noun when that noun is the object of the verb (i.e. it is having the action done TO it.

I am going to her party. (I am the one going; "her" does not have its own verb.)
I told him the secret. (I am the one doing the telling; I just told the secret to "him" but the "him" does not have its own verb.)
To whom should I send the letter? (I am sending the letter TO "whom" but "whom" doesn't have its own verb.)

Does this help?


But Whats the answer to this Q..
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Re: All of the tenants except Mr. Baumgardner and she intends on [#permalink]
Will go with D..................!!!!!!
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Re: All of the tenants except Mr. Baumgardner and she intends on [#permalink]
Nice question. Thanks for the explanation.
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Re: All of the tenants except Mr. Baumgardner and she intends on [#permalink]
Here Subject All OF the tenants is in objective case so clause after and should also have subject in objective case for parallelism

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Re: All of the tenants except Mr. Baumgardner and she intends on [#permalink]
still confused with the correct answer. OA looking awkward.
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Re: All of the tenants except Mr. Baumgardner and she intends on [#permalink]
Good question. You can't really make out the intention of the speaker from the original sentence. When we read the options we can make out that the intention is to suggest that everyone except Mrs X and her (mrs Y) intend to install deadbolts. the "and" makes it a plural subject necessitating a verb in plural form ie (intend instead of intends) and the correct idiom is "intend to" leading us to option D, which I believe to be correct.
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Re: All of the tenants except Mr. Baumgardner and she intends on [#permalink]
I would Also go with D,

Look at it this way....

All the people including HE/HIM are coming to the party.
All the people except He/Him are coming to the party.

In first one Him is correct , so is Him in second also. in both the sentence Him is the object and not the subject of the sentence.
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Re: All of the tenants except Mr. Baumgardner and she intends on [#permalink]
I also go with E. I think that you really need that she before that verb otherwise it wouldn`t be a Clear reference.

Could somebody please give the OA?
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rodbarre wrote:
I also go with E. I think that you really need that she before that verb otherwise it wouldn`t be a Clear reference.

Could somebody please give the OA?


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The concept of object/subject pronouns can be very tricky at times. However if we remember that there are 3 types of objects, direct object, indirect object and object of preposition, then the complications can sometimes be handled effectively.

Here except is a preposition and Mr. Baumgardner and the lady ( whoever she is) are the objects of the preposition except. Hence to refer to the lady, we should use the object form, i.e. her.

All the tenants (subject) except Mr. Baumgardner and her (objects of preposition) intend (verb of the subject, not of the objects of preposition) to install.

D is correct.

The above confusion may arise when using comparison than. Depending on the meaning, both the subject and the object forms can be used alongwith the comparison than .

I love chocolate more than she (does)... subject pronoun.
I love chocolate more than her......object pronoun.

But when used with prepositions, the object form is almost always correct.
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Re: All of the tenants except Mr. Baumgardner and she intends on [#permalink]
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All of the tenants except Mr. Baumgardner and she intends on installing deadbolts.

she intends on installing

her intends to install

her intends to install

her intend to install

she intend to install

i got confused with " pronoun ", please elaborate


Anyone please summarize this point--- if preposition is used before verb than "object form " should be used else if not preposition than "subject form" would be used (if noun is before verb).

and in every case if noun is used after "verb" than always "object form" will be used.

Please confirm the same/.
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Re: All of the tenants except Mr. Baumgardner and she intends on [#permalink]
Here I am going with option D.
As per rules, after preposition an object form of pronoun is must.
So option A & E eliminated. Now as per Subject-Verb agreement also B & C is eliminated. So option D is my choice.

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