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LSAT 01, SEC III 18/26 69.23% 64min
LSAT 02, SEC I 22/28 79% 70min
LSAT 03, SEC II 24/27 88.88% 64min
LSAT 04, SEC IV 24/27 88.88% 70min

Thank you for the incredibly detailed study plan and your advise on using LSATs for practice. Its really helping me gain momentum reading topics that I don't really dig reading otherwise and also have a clear target to work towards.
My LSAT sets results are as above.
My concern is that I am getting all the Hard (40-50% on the gmat club meter) questions right but the majority of the ones I'm getting wrong show a 60-65% accuracy on the gmat club meter. I am worried because the test is adaptive and every medium level question I get wrong will make my chances of encountering a hard level question slimmer right?? So what's the point of me getting those right!?
Second, how many medium level questions can a person aiming for 740+ skip or get wrong?
Third, do I even need to pay attention to these aspects or just move on, since I am seeing an above 80% average on the practice sets?

Sharing below as an example, a question I got wrong which shows 75% accuracy on the gmat club meter.
https://gmatclub.com/forum/anthropologi ... 86172.html
Q5. According to the passage, one way in which life history studies differ from life-passage studies is that life-history studies are
(A) Usually told in the subject’s native language.
(B) Less reliable because they rely solely on the subject’s recall.
(C) More likely to be told without the influence of an intermediary.
(D) More creative in the way they interpret the subject’s cultural legacy.
(E) More representative of the historian’s point of view than of the ethnographer’s.

I chose E over C; Reason, I failed to analyze the answer choices correctly.
Thank you for the wonderful questions, nithyak! And sorry for my horrendously slow response. I might be a bit too late to help you, but maybe this will help some other students with similar issues.

First, I would take the difficulty levels that you see here on GMAT Club with a huge grain of salt. They don't necessarily match the actual difficulty levels of official questions, because GMAT Club's difficulty ratings are calculated with a completely different formula than testing agencies use, and they're based on a different sample of test-takers. So those difficulty levels are useful, but far from perfect.

That said, I would ask yourself this question: WHY are you getting those "medium" questions wrong? Are you misreading something? Are you less focused when the question seems easier? Are there certain question types that you're missing disproportionately? Is your process of elimination less sharp than it could be?

In other words: if you really are missing questions that should be easy for you, then there's an underlying reason why. Broadly speaking, there's something inconsistent in your approach to questions if that's happening. It's totally possible that what you're seeing is just a quirk of the data: what you personally find difficult doesn't match the GMAT Club population as a whole, for example. But if you look deeper, it's very possible that there's something unsystematic in your process that can cause trouble on test day.

In the longer run, your LSAT results will almost always reflect those inconsistencies very clearly. If you're consistently missing -3 on every set you do, you're fine (at least in terms of accuracy; timing might be a different story). If the next four sets you do look very much like these four (-8, -6, -3, -3), then I would be convinced that you're approaching things differently on different days, and the fact that you're missing "medium" questions is just another symptom of that inconsistency.

Bottom line: yes, you'll want to explore more deeply to see if those errors on easier questions are caused by some specific test-taking behavior. But in the longer run, your LSAT results will very loudly yell at you if there's a real problem with the consistency of your process.

I hope that helps a bit!
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LSAT 01, SEC III 18/26 69.23% 64min
LSAT 02, SEC I 22/28 79% 70min
LSAT 03, SEC II 24/27 88.88% 64min
LSAT 04, SEC IV 24/27 88.88% 70min

Thank you for the incredibly detailed study plan and your advise on using LSATs for practice. Its really helping me gain momentum reading topics that I don't really dig reading otherwise and also have a clear target to work towards.
My LSAT sets results are as above.
My concern is that I am getting all the Hard (40-50% on the gmat club meter) questions right but the majority of the ones I'm getting wrong show a 60-65% accuracy on the gmat club meter. I am worried because the test is adaptive and every medium level question I get wrong will make my chances of encountering a hard level question slimmer right?? So what's the point of me getting those right!?
Second, how many medium level questions can a person aiming for 740+ skip or get wrong?
Third, do I even need to pay attention to these aspects or just move on, since I am seeing an above 80% average on the practice sets?

Sharing below as an example, a question I got wrong which shows 75% accuracy on the gmat club meter.
https://gmatclub.com/forum/anthropologi ... 86172.html
Q5. According to the passage, one way in which life history studies differ from life-passage studies is that life-history studies are
(A) Usually told in the subject’s native language.
(B) Less reliable because they rely solely on the subject’s recall.
(C) More likely to be told without the influence of an intermediary.
(D) More creative in the way they interpret the subject’s cultural legacy.
(E) More representative of the historian’s point of view than of the ethnographer’s.

I chose E over C; Reason, I failed to analyze the answer choices correctly.
Thank you for the wonderful questions, nithyak! And sorry for my horrendously slow response. I might be a bit too late to help you, but maybe this will help some other students with similar issues.

First, I would take the difficulty levels that you see here on GMAT Club with a huge grain of salt. They don't necessarily match the actual difficulty levels of official questions, because GMAT Club's difficulty ratings are calculated with a completely different formula than testing agencies use, and they're based on a different sample of test-takers. So those difficulty levels are useful, but far from perfect.

That said, I would ask yourself this question: WHY are you getting those "medium" questions wrong? Are you misreading something? Are you less focused when the question seems easier? Are there certain question types that you're missing disproportionately? Is your process of elimination less sharp than it could be?

In other words: if you really are missing questions that should be easy for you, then there's an underlying reason why. Broadly speaking, there's something inconsistent in your approach to questions if that's happening. It's totally possible that what you're seeing is just a quirk of the data: what you personally find difficult doesn't match the GMAT Club population as a whole, for example. But if you look deeper, it's very possible that there's something unsystematic in your process that can cause trouble on test day.

In the longer run, your LSAT results will almost always reflect those inconsistencies very clearly. If you're consistently missing -3 on every set you do, you're fine (at least in terms of accuracy; timing might be a different story). If the next four sets you do look very much like these four (-8, -6, -3, -3), then I would be convinced that you're approaching things differently on different days, and the fact that you're missing "medium" questions is just another symptom of that inconsistency.

Bottom line: yes, you'll want to explore more deeply to see if those errors on easier questions are caused by some specific test-taking behavior. But in the longer run, your LSAT results will very loudly yell at you if there's a real problem with the consistency of your process.

I hope that helps a bit!


Thank you GMATNinja
This gives some perspective for sure.

My next 3 sets went like this -1,-2,-3. (Accuracy dropped because I took less time, around 1.9min per question, in the last set)
Out of the 6 wrong, 3 were <60% on the accuracy meter and the other three, >60% on the accuracy meter (one even 80%)

I'll try and analyze my mistakes more deeply to figure out if I have some underlying pattern. Thanks again!
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This gives some perspective for sure.

My next 3 sets went like this -1,-2,-3. (Accuracy dropped because I took less time, around 1.9min per question, in the last set)
Out of the 6 wrong, 3 were <60% on the accuracy meter and the other three, >60% on the accuracy meter (one even 80%)

I'll try and analyze my mistakes more deeply to figure out if I have some underlying pattern. Thanks again!
Oh wow, those are some great results. Sure, you might find some interesting pattern in the errors, especially if a few of those are truly on the easier side (and they may or may not be). But something is definitely going very, very right. Keep up the good work!
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Hi GMATNinja

For the timing benchmarks on the LSAT sets (~1hr per set), is this assuming that all of the 25 CR questions (or all the 4 RC passages) from a set are done in one sitting? I'm seeing that I am more efficient with timing if I break these up in say 2 sittings instead of attempting all in one sitting, which is understandable. Should we be aiming for a <1hr benchmark when all questions are done in one sitting? Thanks in advance!
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Hi GMATNinja

For the timing benchmarks on the LSAT sets (~1hr per set), is this assuming that all of the 25 CR questions (or all the 4 RC passages) from a set are done in one sitting? I'm seeing that I am more efficient with timing if I break these up in say 2 sittings instead of attempting all in one sitting, which is understandable. Should we be aiming for a <1hr benchmark when all questions are done in one sitting? Thanks in advance!
Running 20 miles at once is very different than running 10 miles one day and 10 miles another day (even though both sound kinda miserable!). Also, the first half of an LSAT set tends to be easier than the second half -- it's best to do the entire set at once so that you're forced to navigate the entire range of difficulty levels and manage your time and process accordingly.

If you're taking the current version of the GMAT, the verbal section alone will last longer than an hour, and one-hour LSAT sets are a good way to build your stamina. The verbal section will be shorter on the new GMAT, but the test will still require more than two hours of concentration. Sure, LSAT sets are more repetitive than the GMAT, but if you can stay focused on an LSAT CR or RC set that takes about an hour, it will probably help you get through the GMAT with your brains intact.

So I'd recommend sticking with full LSAT sets, completed in one sitting. It'll give you cleaner data, and it will help build your stamina in useful ways.

I hope that helps a bit!
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Hi GMATNinja, firstly i would like to thank you for providing such an extensive, yet achievable study plan for the GMAT Prep. I am loving it. However, after week 2 i was not able to find the link to interpreting the result section for this specific week, all the links get back to Week 1 interpretation. Is it like that? Should i interpret week 2 results same as week 1?
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Hi GMATNinja, firstly i would like to thank you for providing such an extensive, yet achievable study plan for the GMAT Prep. I am loving it. However, after week 2 i was not able to find the link to interpreting the result section for this specific week, all the links get back to Week 1 interpretation. Is it like that? Should i interpret week 2 results same as week 1?
Thank you so much for the kind words, and sorry for my slow response!

Good catch: there was a typo in this post -- it should say "Week 2" not Week 1" in the header. It's fixed now, and everything else in that "how to interpret your results" post is correct, though.

Sorry for the confusion!
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Hi GMATNinja

I frequently struggle with LSAT RC, but I perform relatively well in GMAT RC with fewer mistakes. However, when I review my LSAT RC answers, I notice that I often choose the wrong option even when I've narrowed it down to two choices. For example, out of 27 questions, I ended up selecting the wrong answer for 11 questions, while the option I didn't choose was actually correct.

How can I address this issue? Can it be resolved?

I know lsat is harder but am I supposed to get so much more wrong in lsat questions than gmat questions? This is the case in CR as well, I score better in gmat questions than lsat

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Hi GMATNinja

I frequently struggle with LSAT RC, but I perform relatively well in GMAT RC with fewer mistakes. However, when I review my LSAT RC answers, I notice that I often choose the wrong option even when I've narrowed it down to two choices. For example, out of 27 questions, I ended up selecting the wrong answer for 11 questions, while the option I didn't choose was actually correct.

How can I address this issue? Can it be resolved?

I know lsat is harder but am I supposed to get so much more wrong in lsat questions than gmat questions? This is the case in CR as well, I score better in gmat questions than lsat
For starters, I would be a little bit careful when comparing your GMAT and LSAT results, since the GMAT OG questions range enormously in difficulty. If, for example, you do the first 25 questions in the OG CR section, they're going to be MUCH easier than any set of 25 LSAT questions -- and all else being equal, you're likely to see a huge gap in your accuracy between an LSAT set and the easiest GMAT questions. If, on the other hand, you're doing the very last batch of ~25 questions in the OG, the gap should be smaller, and might even disappear altogether.

So yes, sometimes it's completely normal to see a huge gap between your GMAT and LSAT results. But it just depends on exactly which GMAT questions you're doing.

It's common to eliminate all but two answers on verbal questions. I guess that's a sign that you're not completely lost, but in many cases, the question-writers came up with only one truly tantalizing wrong answer, and the rest are often relatively easy to eliminate. So if you're like most test-takers, you'll find yourself in this situation fairly frequently.

Generally speaking, if you're unable to choose the right answer from the final two, that's usually a sign that you're missing something in the passage for one reason or another. I'm not sure that this will help much, but for more on this issue, check out this article about why "close" doesn't mean much on GMAT verbal.

I hope that helps a bit, and have fun studying!
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Hi GMATNinja

I cant thank you enough for providing this study plan. I was quite lost and clueless in my journey and this plan has given me a new hope.

I have the following questions regarding homework:

1. Are the weekly homework all the practice we need, or are they over and above an expected practice that is so obvious that it's not mentioned?

The homework for RC in week 2 recommends 3(science passages) + 4(1 set of LSAT) + 4 (1 set of LSAT) passages. So is the recommendation to do 11 passages in the entire week, or is it to do these additional 11 passages over and above something that is obvious, that its not mentioned.


2. If I am worse in RC than CR, shall I simply practice more LSAT material (I'll be using gmat club forum to practice LSAT questions), or use any other material because of the limited quantity of official materials?

I have finished my week 1 and based on the verbal results from week 1, (CR - 72%,76% and RC - 70% and 67%), I suppose I'll need extra preparation on RC. So I want to understand whats the recommended prep quantity and source.
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I cant thank you enough for providing this study plan. I was quite lost and clueless in my journey and this plan has given me a new hope.

I have the following questions regarding homework:

1. Are the weekly homework all the practice we need, or are they over and above an expected practice that is so obvious that it's not mentioned?

The homework for RC in week 2 recommends 3(science passages) + 4(1 set of LSAT) + 4 (1 set of LSAT) passages. So is the recommendation to do 11 passages in the entire week, or is it to do these additional 11 passages over and above something that is obvious, that its not mentioned.


2. If I am worse in RC than CR, shall I simply practice more LSAT material (I'll be using gmat club forum to practice LSAT questions), or use any other material because of the limited quantity of official materials?

I have finished my week 1 and based on the verbal results from week 1, (CR - 72%,76% and RC - 70% and 67%), I suppose I'll need extra preparation on RC. So I want to understand whats the recommended prep quantity and source.
­Thank you for the kind words! I'm glad that the plan has helped a bit already.

We haven't omitted anything from the study plan (other than changes for the GMAT Focus Edition -- we'll add those soon enough). More broadly, I don't think there's anything that's completely obvious if you're studying for the GMAT. So there's no need to add anything, unless you identify a specific, crucial weakness that isn't addressed elsewhere in the study plan. 

If you need extra RC practice, you'll definitely want to stick to official sources, without exception. In theory, you could dig for additional GMAT resources, but most of the available official GMAT questions are included somewhere in the study plan already. So LSATs are the next-best thing if you need extra RC reps. 

Just be a little bit careful not to overdo it with RC. More practice is good up to a point, but if you do too much -- whatever that might mean for you personally -- it can be remarkably easy to just "go through the motions", and that's not going to help. So make sure that whenever you practice RC, you're doing it with test-like intensity -- even if that means doing a little bit less from week to week.

I hope that helps! 
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Hi GMATNinja

I cant thank you enough for providing this study plan. I was quite lost and clueless in my journey and this plan has given me a new hope.

I have the following questions regarding homework:

1. Are the weekly homework all the practice we need, or are they over and above an expected practice that is so obvious that it's not mentioned?

The homework for RC in week 2 recommends 3(science passages) + 4(1 set of LSAT) + 4 (1 set of LSAT) passages. So is the recommendation to do 11 passages in the entire week, or is it to do these additional 11 passages over and above something that is obvious, that its not mentioned.


2. If I am worse in RC than CR, shall I simply practice more LSAT material (I'll be using gmat club forum to practice LSAT questions), or use any other material because of the limited quantity of official materials?

I have finished my week 1 and based on the verbal results from week 1, (CR - 72%,76% and RC - 70% and 67%), I suppose I'll need extra preparation on RC. So I want to understand whats the recommended prep quantity and source.
­Thank you for the kind words! I'm glad that the plan has helped a bit already.

We haven't omitted anything from the study plan (other than changes for the GMAT Focus Edition -- we'll add those soon enough). More broadly, I don't think there's anything that's completely obvious if you're studying for the GMAT. So there's no need to add anything, unless you identify a specific, crucial weakness that isn't addressed elsewhere in the study plan. 

If you need extra RC practice, you'll definitely want to stick to official sources, without exception. In theory, you could dig for additional GMAT resources, but most of the available official GMAT questions are included somewhere in the study plan already. So LSATs are the next-best thing if you need extra RC reps. 

Just be a little bit careful not to overdo it with RC. More practice is good up to a point, but if you do too much -- whatever that might mean for you personally -- it can be remarkably easy to just "go through the motions", and that's not going to help. So make sure that whenever you practice RC, you're doing it with test-like intensity -- even if that means doing a little bit less from week to week.

I hope that helps! 
­Thanks a ton GMATNinja!!! That's exactly the clarity I needed. This absolutely helps, thanks again.­
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Hi GMATNinja,

I'm preparing for the GMAT Focus exam and love your teaching style and 13-week GMAT plan!

Are you planning to create a dedicated GMAT Focus study plan, similar to your 13-week GMAT plan? If so, when can we expect it?­­­

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Hi GMATNinja,

I'm preparing for the GMAT Focus exam and love your teaching style and 13-week GMAT plan!

Are you planning to create a dedicated GMAT Focus study plan, similar to your 13-week GMAT plan? If so, when can we expect it?­

Thanks
­Thank you for the kind words, Ant750!

Yup, we're working on adapting this for the GMAT Focus edition, but there's no specific timetime just yet. For now, just skip anything geometry-related and trade SC assignments for official DI practice, and you'll be on the right track.

Have fun studying! 

 
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Hi GMAT Ninja,

Thanks for the study plan. Where do I get the LSAT questions? Is there a book I'm suppose to buy? sorry if I missed it.
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Hi GMAT Ninja,

Thanks for the study plan. Where do I get the LSAT questions? Is there a book I'm suppose to buy? sorry if I missed it.
­Hey Daynesj,

You can get one off Amazon. GMATNinja mentions more here

https://gmatclub.com/forum/why-you-shou ... 39365.html

"Ready to get started?


I’m the first to admit that a pile of LSAT books won’t magically cure all of your GMAT verbal problems. If you’re struggling with the language or logic of basic GMAT verbal questions, the LSAT might be overkill. In the long run, LSAT questions can definitely help you improve your fundamental reading and logical skills – but they’re no magic bullet, and they can be demoralizing if your skills aren’t already pretty good.

But if you’re interested in challenging yourself with some LSAT materials, I’d recommend starting with the 25 RC and 50 CR (“logical reasoning”) questions available in sections 2-4 of the free, official test on the LSAT website. (I’d also recommend ignoring the LSAT’s ridiculous time limit of 35 minutes per section. If you can do each set of 25 questions in less than an hour, you’re doing great.)

If you want more, you can move on to any of the LSAT’s creatively-named books: 10 Actual, Official LSAT PrepTests, or The Next 10 Actual, Official LSAT PrepTests, or any other similarly-named book – though none of them include answer explanations. Alternatively, you could pick up The Official LSAT SuperPrep I or The Official LSAT SuperPrep II, each of which includes three tests with detailed, official explanations.

If you decide to use LSAT tests to improve your GMAT score, here are two small things to keep in mind:
  • 1. Please ignore the Analytical Reasoning ("logic games") section, since it doesn't bear all that much resemblance to anything you'll see on the GMAT.
    2. Newer versions of the LSAT include an RC passage type called Comparative Reading, which requires you to compare two passages, just as the name implies. It's not going to hurt you or anything, but if you'd prefer to avoid it, do older LSAT tests (pre-2007, or anything up to PrepTest #51). With the exception of the LSAT SuperPrep II, the books mentioned in this post consist exclusively of the old LSAT format, without Comparative Reading."
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