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A lot of good questions there, and a lot of "it depends" as the correct answer. I am in the middle of all this, and this appears the best practice:

I would say this is the way it goes:

If you recruit for desks, you recruit for desks the bank tells you that you are suited to. Just because you are on an MBA course and think you know what you should do, in reality you know the square root of **** all compared to the recruiters.

So, you roll with it. You research everything so you can run with it, and you "yes sir, three bags full sir" the situation. Because they know a lot better than you do. Expressing a clear opinion of where your career should go is an awesome way to go about getting a ding. Like the guy who went all fixed income on BNP Paribas ass to find out they only had equities positions.

There are fewer jobs out there than people wanting them. If you end up with a seat at a desk you wanted at the outset, you go with it. But you definitely don't want to try and filter any company out yourself - it can be a very costly way of doing things. A lot of it is social and ideological - I would prefer a desk I didn't previously entertain at X rather than the one I wanted at Y. There is a lot a play.

As for moving, some firms you can, some firms it is more difficult. Equities to Commodities is pretty unlikely, but by no means impossible. There is a bit of a cultural split between Commodities, FI, and Equities.

Researchers prefer the move buy side, traders vary on their mood on that.

Career progression in three years varies. If you do well you will be a VP, if you suck you will be unemployed.

What desk to join? The only thing I can say in that is never join the hot desk. Mortgages was hot a few years ago. Those guys probably aren't getting paid next month. Unfortunately the answer to most of yr questions is that if we knew them, we would be very rich indeed.
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Hi!

Underscore is spot on in his views.As an ex commodities trader I can tell you there are cultural differences between securities and commodities.

You'll find very few "Cult traders" in commodities.

Plus very few people ever leave trading.Though most of them are burnouts by the time they turn 45..........Just the stress the job brings with it.

I plan to get back to commodities after my MBA.

Lets see what happens.
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Expressing a clear opinion of where your career should go is an awesome way to go about getting a ding. Like the guy who went all fixed income on BNP Paribas ass to find out they only had equities positions.



:lol: ROTFL

Thanks a lot for the answers. Cleared a lot of basic doubts!

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Underscore is spot on in his views.As an ex commodities trader I can tell you there are cultural differences between securities and commodities.

You'll find very few "Cult traders" in commodities.

Plus very few people ever leave trading.Though most of them are burnouts by the time they turn 45..........Just the stress the job brings with it.

I plan to get back to commodities after my MBA.

Lets see what happens.


One doubt ashish. In Trading, if one joins as an associate, I understand that his entire day will be trying to trade stocks/other stuff, discuss with sales guys etc. But once you progress to a VP or someone up higher, how does the responsibility change?

In M&A, I understand the VP's are more into developing client relationships, attending road shows and during a deal, the financial modeling work is thrown at associates who pass on the dirtier work to analysts.

What does a VP do in Trading? the question basically is:

If he is not into the trading desk, then his work must be better and less stressful (since associates are the ones in action). If he is into the trading desk, why is he a Vice President!

Or is it the VP has larger amounts of money at disposal whereas the job profile is still the same?
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Hi! Rpradeep,

Well there are a variety of roles one plays in trading....

I don't know of equities & securities, but I can tell you about Commodities.

In commodities, you are either a trader (Which can be any level from mid-management to senior management).As sa trader, your responsibilities will include Managing your hedges (to put it very simply).These hedges will result from the physical trades you do.

Lets take an example : If you buy you buy a barrel of oil on the physical market, you will sell a barrel on the NYMEX.Your physical trades will drive your hedges and the complexity of the commodity will drive your trades further. (One barrel of crude will yield some gasoline, jet kero, naptha etc).

As a commodities VP (Senior trader) you will have a few guys reporting to you.they will be managing the physical operations and hedges based on those.As a VP you can either be a commodity specialist (I had a VP who only traded Copper) or a market specialist (Only NYMEX or NYBOT).
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Dear all,

First of all, accept my apologizes for coming this old post up again.

Then, I guess if a MBA is really useful in a trading desk, instead the CFA certificate, or similar.

I work in the treasury of an European bank, although neither in a trading desk nor sales desk. When I decided to apply for a MBA I ask for my colleagues and all of them thought the same: a MBA program is not as useful as CFA certificate is.

(Remark: after that I was sure to do a MBA, just in order to maintain myself away from IB)

Now, what I see every day: traders are always in front of their computers (5 and sometimes 6 screens, 2 or 3 keyboards…), looking how graphics and numbers are moving up or down. Sales, the same, except that some days are traveling in order to visit their customers (When I say some days, I mean 2 or 3, no more).

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Ozmba wrote:
Try the search function of Business week forums...

Search for posts by members: LBSGRAD, MBAApply
they have discussed plenty of finance stuff!


For IB stuff, the forums on Wall Street Oasis are excellent. Run a search there. Hope this helps.
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Hi,
I am planning to get into IB.I am applying for an MBA/Msc in international business in Malaspina University College.Although,they do not have a specialization in finance,I wonder if it is puts me in a good position for IB/Finance jobs after graduation.Please, I want to get more info on Finance/Investment banking industry.Also what does a CFA do for one as compared to an MBA program?
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I am planning to get into IB.I am applying for an MBA/Msc in international business in Malaspina University College.Although,they do not have a specialization in finance,I wonder if it is puts me in a good position for IB/Finance jobs after graduation.Please, I want to get more info on Finance/Investment banking industry.Also what does a CFA do for one as compared to an MBA program?


I have never heard of Malaspina so I can't offer any specific advice. I can tell you that by and large, most investment banks recruit at a very limited number of schools, top 15 perhaps top 25 in some cases. What you need to do is to find out if banks you are interested in recruit on campus at your school. If they do recruit on campus (in reasonable numbers) then you will have a legitimate shot if you can beat out your fellow students. If they do not recruit on campus (including if they do resume drops or welcome you to regional events) then your shots of landing a job are extremely slim. In fact, if they don't recruit on campus at your school, your success in landing a job will largely depend on your experience prior to business school. Keep in mind that there are finance jobs beyond investment banking.

A CFA is useful for investment management and private wealth, but is not useful for investment banking other than as an ornament.
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Thanks ,pelihu.Although your answer stirred a hornet's nest in my head,I am glad I got a response.What is important to get for investment banking since CFA does not cut it.Maybe you could get a look at Malaspina at mala.ca and tell me what you think.After GMAT I found out that this forum represents the best use of information possible(1st GMAT=380 post, gmatclub & 3rd attempt =620,not fantastic pot an encouraging improvement) .Thanks again.
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What happened to you guys since this post?

Is anyone that posted in this still on the forum?

I'm curious to see what has happened and what you have learned after 4 years.
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Four Years. Wow, it has been a while. I got my MBA from The University of Bradford last year. Still hunting for a MBA internship or entry-level associate position. Let's see how this goes.
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There's a much wider array of jobs in an investment bank than just M&A and S&T. ECM, DCM, underwriting, equity /debt research, LevFin, not to mention dozens of industry coverage groups just to name a few.

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