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# Is st = t ? (1) s = st (2) t = ts

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Bunuel wrote:
Is st = t ?

Is $$st = t$$? --> is $$s=1$$ or $$t=0$$ (or both)?

(1) s = st --> $$s=0$$ or $$t=1$$ (or both). Not sufficient.

(2) t = ts. Directly answers the question. Sufficient.

Hi Bunuel,

from st (1) : we know that 's' not equals 1 or 't' not equals 0 or both , so is this st not sufficient alone.

Pls clarify
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Consider this:
If $$s=0$$ and $$t\neq{0}$$ ($$s = st$$), then $$st\neq{t}$$. Or if $$t=1$$ and $$s\neq{1}$$ ($$s = st$$), then $$st\neq{t}$$. So, for these cases the answer to the question is NO.

If $$s=t=0$$ ($$s = st$$), then $$st={t}$$. Or if $$s=t=1$$ ($$s = st$$), then $$st={t}$$. So, for these cases the answer to the question is YES.

Does this make sense?

Yes Bunuel, when we consider values it makes sense.
But I am unable to get to this directly with out plugging values.
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Bunuel wrote:
Is st = t ?

Is $$st = t$$? --> is $$s=1$$ or $$t=0$$ (or both)?

(1) s = st --> $$s=0$$ or $$t=1$$ (or both). Not sufficient.

(2) t = ts. Directly answers the question. Sufficient.

For (1)

could be also assume following cases ?

case 1: s=t=0 then s=st

case 2: s=5,t=1 then s≠st

thanks =)
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Re: Is st = t ? (1) s = st (2) t = ts [#permalink]
Bunuel wrote:
Is st = t ?

Is $$st = t$$? --> is $$s=1$$ or $$t=0$$ (or both)?

(1) s = st --> $$s=0$$ or $$t=1$$ (or both). Not sufficient.

(2) t = ts. Directly answers the question. Sufficient.

@bunnel If we have a statement that restates the question , then it becomes insufficient as we don't have any additional information to answer the question. But here the equality nullifies it and directly answers the question. Hence it is sufficient. IS this reasoning correct ?
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Bunuel wrote:
Is st = t ?

Is $$st = t$$? --> is $$s=1$$ or $$t=0$$ (or both)?

(1) s = st --> $$s=0$$ or $$t=1$$ (or both). Not sufficient.

(2) t = ts. Directly answers the question. Sufficient.

@bunnel If we have a statement that restates the question , then it becomes insufficient as we don't have any additional information to answer the question. But here the equality nullifies it and directly answers the question. Hence it is sufficient. IS this reasoning correct ?
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Not sure I can follow you.

Say the question asks: is x = 1? And (1) says that x = 1. In this case (1) is sufficient as it directly answers the question: YES x does equal to 1. This is EXACTLY the case we have with the above question.
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Re: Is st = t ? (1) s = st (2) t = ts [#permalink]
Bunuel wrote:
Raksat wrote:
Bunuel wrote:
Is st = t ?

Is $$st = t$$? --> is $$s=1$$ or $$t=0$$ (or both)?

(1) s = st --> $$s=0$$ or $$t=1$$ (or both). Not sufficient.

(2) t = ts. Directly answers the question. Sufficient.

@bunnel If we have a statement that restates the question , then it becomes insufficient as we don't have any additional information to answer the question. But here the equality nullifies it and directly answers the question. Hence it is sufficient. IS this reasoning correct ?
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Not sure I can follow you.

Say the question asks: is x = 1? And (1) says that x = 1. In this case (1) is sufficient as it directly answers the question: YES x does equal to 1. This is EXACTLY the case we have with the above question.

Its about the difference between a tautological statement and this question. Reference question : https://gmatclub.com/forum/in-the-diagr ... 94414.html
In the explanation you explained " This statement repeats information in the prompt, and contains no new information, so it doesn’t help us at all to figure out anything else. This statement, alone and by itself, is not sufficient."
Here B is also reintroducing the information in question.
what's the difference ?
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Raksat wrote:
Bunuel wrote:
Raksat wrote:
@bunnel If we have a statement that restates the question , then it becomes insufficient as we don't have any additional information to answer the question. But here the equality nullifies it and directly answers the question. Hence it is sufficient. IS this reasoning correct ?
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Not sure I can follow you.

Say the question asks: is x = 1? And (1) says that x = 1. In this case (1) is sufficient as it directly answers the question: YES x does equal to 1. This is EXACTLY the case we have with the above question.

Its about the difference between a tautological statement and this question. Reference question : https://gmatclub.com/forum/in-the-diagr ... 94414.html
In the explanation you explained " This statement repeats information in the prompt, and contains no new information, so it doesn’t help us at all to figure out anything else. This statement, alone and by itself, is not sufficient."
Here B is also reintroducing the information in question.
what's the difference ?

In the question you quote one of the statements says something that is generally true, so it adds not new info. It says something like x = x, that is generally true.

Here the question asks is $$st = t$$? (2) says t = ts. So, it gives an YES answer to the question.
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Re: Is st = t ? (1) s = st (2) t = ts [#permalink]
Bunuel wrote:
thoufique wrote:
Bunuel wrote:
Is st = t ?

Is $$st = t$$? --> is $$s=1$$ or $$t=0$$ (or both)?

(1) s = st --> $$s=0$$ or $$t=1$$ (or both). Not sufficient.

(2) t = ts. Directly answers the question. Sufficient.

Hi Bunuel,

from st (1) : we know that 's' not equals 1 or 't' not equals 0 or both , so is this st not sufficient alone.

Pls clarify

Consider this:
If $$s=0$$ and $$t\neq{0}$$ ($$s = st$$), then $$st\neq{t}$$. Or if $$t=1$$ and $$s\neq{1}$$ ($$s = st$$), then $$st\neq{t}$$. So, for these cases the answer to the question is NO.

If $$s=t=0$$ ($$s = st$$), then $$st={t}$$. Or if $$s=t=1$$ ($$s = st$$), then $$st={t}$$. So, for these cases the answer to the question is YES.

Does this make sense?

But then for statement 1 isn't the answer 'definitely no' and therefore sufficient?
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What a sneaky question. Fact 2 is literally the originally question but in reverse. It answers itself. SNEAKY!! I'm starting to see the ridiculousness of GMAT questions

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Under Algebra what is the sub-topic for this? Thanks.
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