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Re: Is st = t ? (1) s = st (2) t = ts [#permalink] New post  07 Jun 2014, 12:13
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Is st = t ?

Is \(st = t\)? --> is \(s=1\) or \(t=0\) (or both)?

(1) s = st --> \(s=0\) or \(t=1\) (or both). Not sufficient.

(2) t = ts. Directly answers the question. Sufficient.

Answer: B.
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Re: Is st = t ? (1) s = st (2) t = ts [#permalink] New post  08 Jun 2014, 21:48
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Is st = t ?

Is \(st = t\)? --> is \(s=1\) or \(t=0\) (or both)?

(1) s = st --> \(s=0\) or \(t=1\) (or both). Not sufficient.

(2) t = ts. Directly answers the question. Sufficient.

Answer: B.


Hi Bunuel,

from st (1) : we know that 's' not equals 1 or 't' not equals 0 or both , so is this st not sufficient alone.

Pls clarify
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Re: Is st = t ? (1) s = st (2) t = ts [#permalink] New post  09 Jun 2014, 01:02
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Is st = t ?

Is \(st = t\)? --> is \(s=1\) or \(t=0\) (or both)?

(1) s = st --> \(s=0\) or \(t=1\) (or both). Not sufficient.

(2) t = ts. Directly answers the question. Sufficient.

Answer: B.


Hi Bunuel,

from st (1) : we know that 's' not equals 1 or 't' not equals 0 or both , so is this st not sufficient alone.

Pls clarify


Consider this:
If \(s=0\) and \(t\neq{0}\) (\(s = st\)), then \(st\neq{t}\). Or if \(t=1\) and \(s\neq{1}\) (\(s = st\)), then \(st\neq{t}\). So, for these cases the answer to the question is NO.

If \(s=t=0\) (\(s = st\)), then \(st={t}\). Or if \(s=t=1\) (\(s = st\)), then \(st={t}\). So, for these cases the answer to the question is YES.

Does this make sense?
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Re: Is st = t ? (1) s = st (2) t = ts [#permalink] New post  09 Jun 2014, 09:12
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Consider this:
If \(s=0\) and \(t\neq{0}\) (\(s = st\)), then \(st\neq{t}\). Or if \(t=1\) and \(s\neq{1}\) (\(s = st\)), then \(st\neq{t}\). So, for these cases the answer to the question is NO.

If \(s=t=0\) (\(s = st\)), then \(st={t}\). Or if \(s=t=1\) (\(s = st\)), then \(st={t}\). So, for these cases the answer to the question is YES.

Does this make sense?



Yes Bunuel, when we consider values it makes sense.
But I am unable to get to this directly with out plugging values.
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Re: Is st = t ? (1) s = st (2) t = ts [#permalink] New post  10 Jun 2017, 07:13
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Is st = t ?

Is \(st = t\)? --> is \(s=1\) or \(t=0\) (or both)?

(1) s = st --> \(s=0\) or \(t=1\) (or both). Not sufficient.

(2) t = ts. Directly answers the question. Sufficient.

Answer: B.



For (1)

could be also assume following cases ?

case 1: s=t=0 then s=st

case 2: s=5,t=1 then s≠st

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Re: Is st = t ? (1) s = st (2) t = ts [#permalink] New post  08 Dec 2017, 10:02
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Is st = t ?

Is \(st = t\)? --> is \(s=1\) or \(t=0\) (or both)?

(1) s = st --> \(s=0\) or \(t=1\) (or both). Not sufficient.

(2) t = ts. Directly answers the question. Sufficient.

Answer: B.

@bunnel If we have a statement that restates the question , then it becomes insufficient as we don't have any additional information to answer the question. But here the equality nullifies it and directly answers the question. Hence it is sufficient. IS this reasoning correct ?
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Re: Is st = t ? (1) s = st (2) t = ts [#permalink] New post  08 Dec 2017, 10:09
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Raksat wrote:
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Is st = t ?

Is \(st = t\)? --> is \(s=1\) or \(t=0\) (or both)?

(1) s = st --> \(s=0\) or \(t=1\) (or both). Not sufficient.

(2) t = ts. Directly answers the question. Sufficient.

Answer: B.

@bunnel If we have a statement that restates the question , then it becomes insufficient as we don't have any additional information to answer the question. But here the equality nullifies it and directly answers the question. Hence it is sufficient. IS this reasoning correct ?
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Not sure I can follow you.

Say the question asks: is x = 1? And (1) says that x = 1. In this case (1) is sufficient as it directly answers the question: YES x does equal to 1. This is EXACTLY the case we have with the above question.
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Re: Is st = t ? (1) s = st (2) t = ts [#permalink] New post  08 Dec 2017, 10:54
Bunuel wrote:
Raksat wrote:
Bunuel wrote:
Is st = t ?

Is \(st = t\)? --> is \(s=1\) or \(t=0\) (or both)?

(1) s = st --> \(s=0\) or \(t=1\) (or both). Not sufficient.

(2) t = ts. Directly answers the question. Sufficient.

Answer: B.

@bunnel If we have a statement that restates the question , then it becomes insufficient as we don't have any additional information to answer the question. But here the equality nullifies it and directly answers the question. Hence it is sufficient. IS this reasoning correct ?
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Not sure I can follow you.


Say the question asks: is x = 1? And (1) says that x = 1. In this case (1) is sufficient as it directly answers the question: YES x does equal to 1. This is EXACTLY the case we have with the above question.




Its about the difference between a tautological statement and this question. Reference question : https://gmatclub.com/forum/in-the-diagr ... 94414.html
In the explanation you explained " This statement repeats information in the prompt, and contains no new information, so it doesn’t help us at all to figure out anything else. This statement, alone and by itself, is not sufficient."
Here B is also reintroducing the information in question.
what's the difference ?
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Re: Is st = t ? (1) s = st (2) t = ts [#permalink] New post  08 Dec 2017, 11:00
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Raksat wrote:
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Raksat wrote:
@bunnel If we have a statement that restates the question , then it becomes insufficient as we don't have any additional information to answer the question. But here the equality nullifies it and directly answers the question. Hence it is sufficient. IS this reasoning correct ?
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Not sure I can follow you.


Say the question asks: is x = 1? And (1) says that x = 1. In this case (1) is sufficient as it directly answers the question: YES x does equal to 1. This is EXACTLY the case we have with the above question.




Its about the difference between a tautological statement and this question. Reference question : https://gmatclub.com/forum/in-the-diagr ... 94414.html
In the explanation you explained " This statement repeats information in the prompt, and contains no new information, so it doesn’t help us at all to figure out anything else. This statement, alone and by itself, is not sufficient."
Here B is also reintroducing the information in question.
what's the difference ?


In the question you quote one of the statements says something that is generally true, so it adds not new info. It says something like x = x, that is generally true.

Here the question asks is \(st = t\)? (2) says t = ts. So, it gives an YES answer to the question.
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Re: Is st = t ? (1) s = st (2) t = ts [#permalink] New post  16 Apr 2019, 16:44
Bunuel wrote:
thoufique wrote:
Bunuel wrote:
Is st = t ?

Is \(st = t\)? --> is \(s=1\) or \(t=0\) (or both)?

(1) s = st --> \(s=0\) or \(t=1\) (or both). Not sufficient.

(2) t = ts. Directly answers the question. Sufficient.

Answer: B.


Hi Bunuel,

from st (1) : we know that 's' not equals 1 or 't' not equals 0 or both , so is this st not sufficient alone.

Pls clarify


Consider this:
If \(s=0\) and \(t\neq{0}\) (\(s = st\)), then \(st\neq{t}\). Or if \(t=1\) and \(s\neq{1}\) (\(s = st\)), then \(st\neq{t}\). So, for these cases the answer to the question is NO.

If \(s=t=0\) (\(s = st\)), then \(st={t}\). Or if \(s=t=1\) (\(s = st\)), then \(st={t}\). So, for these cases the answer to the question is YES.

Does this make sense?


But then for statement 1 isn't the answer 'definitely no' and therefore sufficient?
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Re: Is st = t ? (1) s = st (2) t = ts [#permalink] New post  22 Aug 2020, 05:02
kmilen wrote:
Bunuel wrote:
thoufique wrote:
Bunuel wrote:
Is st = t ?

Is \(st = t\)? --> is \(s=1\) or \(t=0\) (or both)?

(1) s = st --> \(s=0\) or \(t=1\) (or both). Not sufficient.

(2) t = ts. Directly answers the question. Sufficient.

Answer: B.


Hi Bunuel,

from st (1) : we know that 's' not equals 1 or 't' not equals 0 or both , so is this st not sufficient alone.

Pls clarify


Consider this:
If \(s=0\) and \(t\neq{0}\) (\(s = st\)), then \(st\neq{t}\). Or if \(t=1\) and \(s\neq{1}\) (\(s = st\)), then \(st\neq{t}\). So, for these cases the answer to the question is NO.

If \(s=t=0\) (\(s = st\)), then \(st={t}\). Or if \(s=t=1\) (\(s = st\)), then \(st={t}\). So, for these cases the answer to the question is YES.

Does this make sense?


But then for statement 1 isn't the answer 'definitely no' and therefore sufficient?


s=1 t=1

1) s = st

1 = 1*1

st = t

1*1 = 1

It can also be a "YES"
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Re: Is st = t ? (1) s = st (2) t = ts [#permalink] New post  07 Feb 2021, 13:30
What a sneaky question. Fact 2 is literally the originally question but in reverse. It answers itself. SNEAKY!! I'm starting to see the ridiculousness of GMAT questions

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Re: Is st = t ? (1) s = st (2) t = ts [#permalink] New post  13 Oct 2021, 00:58
Under Algebra what is the sub-topic for this? Thanks.
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