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Official Solution: In order \(abc = 0\) to be true at least one of the unknowns must be zero. (1) \(a^2 = 2a\). Rearrange: \(a^22a=0\). Factor out \(a\): \(a(a2)=0\). Either \(a=0\) or \(a=2\). If \(a=0\) then the answer is YES but if \(a=2\) then \(abc\) may not be equal to zero (for example consider: \(a=2\), \(b=3\) and \(c=4\)). Not sufficient. (2) \(b= \frac{(a*\sqrt{c}+b*\sqrt{c})^2}{a^2+2ab+b^2}  c\) \(b= \frac{c*(a+b)^2}{(a+b)^2}  c\); \(b=cc\); \(b=0\). Sufficient. Answer: B
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Bunuel wrote: Official Solution:
In order \(abc = 0\) to be true at least one of the unknowns must be zero. (1) \(a^2 = 2a\). Rearrange: \(a^22a=0\). Factor out \(a\): \(a(a2)=0\). Either \(a=0\) or \(a=2\). If \(a=0\) then the answer is YES but if \(a=2\) then \(abc\) may not be equal to zero (for example consider: \(a=2\), \(b=3\) and \(c=4\)). Not sufficient. (2) \(b= \frac{(a*\sqrt{c}+b*\sqrt{c})^2}{a^2+2ab+b^2}  c\) \(b= \frac{c*(a+b)^2}{(a+b)^2}  c\); \(b=cc\); \(b=0\). Sufficient.
Answer: B I DISAGREE WITH B........2 actually reduces to b*(a+b)^2=0 which gives us b=0 or a=b...(we cannot simply strike of (a+b)^2 in numerator and denominator since we do not know that a+b is not equal to 0.). so it should be E.



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suhasreddy wrote: Bunuel wrote: Official Solution:
In order \(abc = 0\) to be true at least one of the unknowns must be zero. (1) \(a^2 = 2a\). Rearrange: \(a^22a=0\). Factor out \(a\): \(a(a2)=0\). Either \(a=0\) or \(a=2\). If \(a=0\) then the answer is YES but if \(a=2\) then \(abc\) may not be equal to zero (for example consider: \(a=2\), \(b=3\) and \(c=4\)). Not sufficient. (2) \(b= \frac{(a*\sqrt{c}+b*\sqrt{c})^2}{a^2+2ab+b^2}  c\) \(b= \frac{c*(a+b)^2}{(a+b)^2}  c\); \(b=cc\); \(b=0\). Sufficient.
Answer: B I DISAGREE WITH B........2 actually reduces to b*(a+b)^2=0 which gives us b=0 or a=b...(we cannot simply strike of (a+b)^2 in numerator and denominator since we do not know that a+b is not equal to 0.). so it should be E. That's not true. If a+b were 0, then \(b= \frac{(a*\sqrt{c}+b*\sqrt{c})^2}{a^2+2ab+b^2}  c\) would not be correct for any real a, b, and c. When having something like x^2/x=y you can ALWAYS reduce by x and write x = y. The answer is B.
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Bunuel wrote: Official Solution: (2) \(b= \frac{(a*\sqrt{c}+b*\sqrt{c})^2}{a^2+2ab+b^2}  c\) \(b= \frac{c*(a+b)^2}{(a+b)^2}  c\); \(b=cc\); \(b=0\). Sufficient.
Answer: B Can someone explain the second step in this simplification process. It looks like factoring out the \sqrt{c}, but somehow \sqrt{c} became c. Is there some rule that allows this?



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The square root of c needs to be squared too



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I guess what I'm saying is that I've never seen this operation before. I believe it, because I basically get the same answer the long way:
(a\(\sqrt{c}\) + b\(\sqrt{c}\))^2 = (a\(\sqrt{c}\) + b\(\sqrt{c}\))(a\(\sqrt{c}\) + b\(\sqrt{c}\)) ...and then the foil method
If it's a valid shortcut then I wonder if there is a proof or something for it so I know when I can use it in other situations.



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meshackb wrote: I guess what I'm saying is that I've never seen this operation before. I believe it, because I basically get the same answer the long way:
(a\(\sqrt{c}\) + b\(\sqrt{c}\))^2 = (a\(\sqrt{c}\) + b\(\sqrt{c}\))(a\(\sqrt{c}\) + b\(\sqrt{c}\)) ...and then the foil method
If it's a valid shortcut then I wonder if there is a proof or something for it so I know when I can use it in other situations. This is like the example below: (2*5+3*5)^2 = 5^2 * (2+3) = 25*5 = 125 The way you are mentioning the equation is also correct but instead of the traditional foil method , try to see it this way: (a\(\sqrt{c}\) + b\(\sqrt{c}\))^2 = (a\(\sqrt{c}\) + b\(\sqrt{c}\))(a\(\sqrt{c}\) + b\(\sqrt{c}\)) Take sqroot(c) common from both the terms on RHS of the equation above. sqroot (c)*sqroot (c) = c as sqroot (any number)= number ^0.5 (and x^p * x^q = x^ (p+q)). So after doing this you get, sqroot (c) * sqroot (c) * (a+b)^2 = c * (a+b)^2. This is what Bunuel has done.
Originally posted by ENGRTOMBA2018 on 27 May 2015, 18:18.
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Thanks, that clears it up!



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B (1) Gives a= 2,0 Insuff (2) Gives b = 0 or a=b but a cannot be = b as then equation's value will become undefined
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Bunuel wrote: Is \(abc = 0\)?
(1) \(a^2 = 2a\)
(2) \(b= \frac{(a*\sqrt{c}+b*\sqrt{c})^2}{a^2+2ab+b^2}  c\) Why in (1) \(a^2 = 2a\), I cannot divide both sides by 'a' and get \(a = 2\)? \(a^2 = 2a\) > \((1/a) * a^2 = 2a * (1/a)\) > \(a=2\) Is it wrong to do this way? Edit: Answering my own question with a passage from Manhattan's Guide Book #2: "The GMAT will often attempt to disguise quadratic equations by putting them in forms that do not quite look like the traditional form o f \(ax^2+ bx  c = 0\)."



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guireif wrote: Bunuel wrote: Is \(abc = 0\)?
(1) \(a^2 = 2a\)
(2) \(b= \frac{(a*\sqrt{c}+b*\sqrt{c})^2}{a^2+2ab+b^2}  c\) Why in (1) \(a^2 = 2a\), I cannot divide both sides by 'a' and get \(a = 2\)? \(a^2 = 2a\) > \((1/a) * a^2 = 2a * (1/a)\) > \(a=2\) Is it wrong to do this way? Edit: Answering my own question with a passage from Manhattan's Guide Book #2: "The GMAT will often attempt to disguise quadratic equations by putting them in forms that do not quite look like the traditional form o f \(ax^2+ bx  c = 0\)." Yes, it's wrong. You cannot reduce this by a, because you'll loose a possible root a = 0. Never reduce equation by variable (or expression with variable), if you are not certain that variable (or expression with variable) doesn't equal to zero. We cannot divide by zero.
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Bunuel wrote: Official Solution:
In order \(abc = 0\) to be true at least one of the unknowns must be zero. (1) \(a^2 = 2a\). Rearrange: \(a^22a=0\). Factor out \(a\): \(a(a2)=0\). Either \(a=0\) or \(a=2\). If \(a=0\) then the answer is YES but if \(a=2\) then \(abc\) may not be equal to zero (for example consider: \(a=2\), \(b=3\) and \(c=4\)). Not sufficient. (2) \(b= \frac{(a*\sqrt{c}+b*\sqrt{c})^2}{a^2+2ab+b^2}  c\) \(b= \frac{c*(a+b)^2}{(a+b)^2}  c\); \(b=cc\); \(b=0\). Sufficient.
Answer: B Bunuel, In the way that you reduced the equation given in statement to. Should C also be squared. If I were to plug in 2 as A, 1 as B and 9 as C into that equation. I can’t get the equation to equal 81 unless the square root of C is ultimately squared. Posted from my mobile device



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wildhorn wrote: Bunuel wrote: Official Solution:
In order \(abc = 0\) to be true at least one of the unknowns must be zero. (1) \(a^2 = 2a\). Rearrange: \(a^22a=0\). Factor out \(a\): \(a(a2)=0\). Either \(a=0\) or \(a=2\). If \(a=0\) then the answer is YES but if \(a=2\) then \(abc\) may not be equal to zero (for example consider: \(a=2\), \(b=3\) and \(c=4\)). Not sufficient. (2) \(b= \frac{(a*\sqrt{c}+b*\sqrt{c})^2}{a^2+2ab+b^2}  c\) \(b= \frac{c*(a+b)^2}{(a+b)^2}  c\); \(b=cc\); \(b=0\). Sufficient.
Answer: B Bunuel, In the way that you reduced the equation given in statement to. Should C also be squared. If I were to plug in 2 as A, 1 as B and 9 as C into that equation. I can’t get the equation to equal 81 unless the square root of C is ultimately squared. Posted from my mobile deviceNot sure I can follow you... Anyway, we are factoring \(\sqrt{c}\) from the numerator in \(b= \frac{(a*\sqrt{c}+b*\sqrt{c})^2}{a^2+2ab+b^2}  c\): \(b= \frac{(\sqrt{c})^2*(a*+b)^2}{a^2+2ab+b^2}  c\); \(b= \frac{c*(a+b)^2}{(a+b)^2}  c\).
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Bunuel wrote: wildhorn wrote: Bunuel wrote: Official Solution:
In order \(abc = 0\) to be true at least one of the unknowns must be zero. (1) \(a^2 = 2a\). Rearrange: \(a^22a=0\). Factor out \(a\): \(a(a2)=0\). Either \(a=0\) or \(a=2\). If \(a=0\) then the answer is YES but if \(a=2\) then \(abc\) may not be equal to zero (for example consider: \(a=2\), \(b=3\) and \(c=4\)). Not sufficient. (2) \(b= \frac{(a*\sqrt{c}+b*\sqrt{c})^2}{a^2+2ab+b^2}  c\) \(b= \frac{c*(a+b)^2}{(a+b)^2}  c\); \(b=cc\); \(b=0\). Sufficient.
Answer: B Bunuel, In the way that you reduced the equation given in statement to. Should C also be squared. If I were to plug in 2 as A, 1 as B and 9 as C into that equation. I can’t get the equation to equal 81 unless the square root of C is ultimately squared. Posted from my mobile deviceNot sure I can follow you... Anyway, we are factoring \(\sqrt{c}\) from the numerator in \(b= \frac{(a*\sqrt{c}+b*\sqrt{c})^2}{a^2+2ab+b^2}  c\): \(b= \frac{(\sqrt{c})^2*(a*+b)^2}{a^2+2ab+b^2}  c\); \(b= \frac{c*(a+b)^2}{(a+b)^2}  c\). Bunuel, thank you for the explanation. I see my mistake now. I have a follow up question. Would there be a simple way to reduce the numerator if there wasn't a constant multiple being used? For example, if the numerator was (A*C^1/2+B*D^1/2)^2 rather than (A*C^1/2+B*C^1/2)^2



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Okay from my personal experience, whenever you get a DS question, solve the Second Statement first.
In the above question . solving the Second statment first 
Taking \sqrt{c} common from the RHS , we get \(b =( \sqrt{c}^2 *(a+b)^2)/(a+b)^2  c\) => b = \(c  c\) => b = 0.
Hence we see that b = 0. Therefore the product abc will be 0. We can conclude from this statement that we dont even require the 1st Statement anymore.
Therefore Option B (Statement 2 ALONE is sufficient to solve the question).
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Bunuel wrote: Official Solution:
In order \(abc = 0\) to be true at least one of the unknowns must be zero. (1) \(a^2 = 2a\). Rearrange: \(a^22a=0\). Factor out \(a\): \(a(a2)=0\). Either \(a=0\) or \(a=2\). If \(a=0\) then the answer is YES but if \(a=2\) then \(abc\) may not be equal to zero (for example consider: \(a=2\), \(b=3\) and \(c=4\)). Not sufficient. (2) \(b= \frac{(a*\sqrt{c}+b*\sqrt{c})^2}{a^2+2ab+b^2}  c\) \(b= \frac{c*(a+b)^2}{(a+b)^2}  c\); \(b=cc\); \(b=0\). Sufficient.
Answer: B I'm getting confused on a particular step, when \(b= \frac{(a*\sqrt{c}+b*\sqrt{c})^2}{a^2+2ab+b^2}  c\) is being simplified to \(b= \frac{c*(a+b)^2}{(a+b)^2}  c\). When solving it I'm getting \(b= \frac{c*(a^2+b^2)}{(a+b)^2}  c\). And I'm not sure how \((a^2+b^2)\) is being written as \((a+b)^2\), as \((a+b)^2 = {a^2+2ab+b^2}\)



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banerjr1 wrote: I'm getting confused on a particular step, when \(b= \frac{(a*\sqrt{c}+b*\sqrt{c})^2}{a^2+2ab+b^2}  c\) is being simplified to \(b= \frac{c*(a+b)^2}{(a+b)^2}  c\). When solving it I'm getting \(b= \frac{c*(a^2+b^2)}{(a+b)^2}  c\). And I'm not sure how \((a^2+b^2)\) is being written as \((a+b)^2\), as \((a+b)^2 = {a^2+2ab+b^2}\)
Let's do this with some intermediate steps so the math is more clear: \(b= \frac{(a*\sqrt{c}+b*\sqrt{c})^2}{a^2+2ab+b^2}  c\) Factor out \(\sqrt{c}\) from \(a*\sqrt{c}+b*\sqrt{c}\) \(b= \frac{(\sqrt{c}*(a+b))^2}{a^2+2ab+b^2}  c\) Distribute the square to \(\sqrt{c}\) and \(a+b\) (This is where you made your mistake — we can distribute a square to terms that are being multiplied together, but not terms that are being added together. This is why we get \((a+b)^2\) and not \(a^2 + b^2\).) \(b= \frac{\sqrt{c}^2*(a+b)^2}{a^2+2ab+b^2}  c\) \(b= \frac{c*(a+b)^2}{a^2+2ab+b^2}  c\) Either expand \((a+b)^2\) in numerator to \(a^2+2ab+b^2\) OR factor \(a^2+2ab+b^2\) in denominator to \((a+b)^2\) \(b= \frac{c*(a^2+2ab+b^2)}{a^2+2ab+b^2}  c\) OR \(b= \frac{c*(a+b)^2}{(a+b)^2}  c\) Cancel like terms from numerator and denominator (either \(a^2+2ab+b^2\) or \((a+b)^2\)) \(b= c  c\) \(b= 0\) So you're totally correct that \(a^2 + b^2\) doesn't equal \((a+b)^2\), but we should never get \(a^2 + b^2\) based on exponent rules for distributing exponents.



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i am super confused, Bunuel suppose a = (b* c)/b c here as per this example we can write as a = cc = 0 if a =(b* c)/b can we write as a = c by cancelling b rather if ab = bc can we cancel the b ???
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(1)\(a^2 = 2a\) \(a = 2\) Don't know about any other value. Not sufficient. (2)\(b = (a\sqrt{c} + b\sqrt{c})^2\)/\((a + b)^2\) \(b = {[a^2*c + b^2*c + 2abc]/[(a + b)^2]}  c\) Taking C common from the numerator \(b = {c*[a^2 + b^2 + 2ab]/[(a + b)^2]}  c\) \(b = {c*[(a + b)^2]/[(a + b)^2]}  c\) \(b = {c*[(a + b)^2]/[(a + b)^2]}  c\) \(b = c  c\) \(b = 0\) if \(b = 0\), then \(abc = 0\). Hence, (2) is sufficient. Answer B
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