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+1 for D.

"doing so" is correct usage. "doing it" is wrong.

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Choice C describes "doing so" as poisonous. An activity (in this case, making wine) can't be poisonous. It's the wine itself that is poisonous. You can eliminate B, C, and E for this reason.


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Can you please explain the difference b/w the 2 choices C & D?
To me they both appears same, only the order is changed.
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Well, D doesn't use the word "poisonous." It uses the verb "poisoning." By using lead vessels, the Romans were poisoning themselves--they were exposing themselves to poison. (By the way, the sentence should of course say "Romans" and not "Roman.")
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So the cho/ice C lacks the verb and that here introduces a subordinate clause, which should have a subject and a verb.
Am I right?
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Yes, but the subordinate clause in C also has a subject and a verb. The subject is "doing so" and the verb phrase is "might be." It's a similar construction to "Submitting your application early might be helpful." Should I submit my application early? Sure. Doing so might be helpful.

The problem in C is one of meaning: making wine is not poisonous. Also, the word "themselves" is not necessary in C, since no one is doing something to themself (as in D).
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The Romans continued to use lead vessels in making wine even after they had been warned that they might poison themselves by doing it.

(A) they might poison themselves by doing it
- the pronoun ''it'' cannot be used to describe an action/event.

(B) it might be poisonous for them to do that
- the singular demonstrative pronoun ''that'' does not have a clear antecedent. (''that'' cannot refer to the action of ''making wine'' since pronouns cannot be used to refer to an action)

(C) doing so might be poisonous for themselves
- we do not have a clear subject that can take the present progressive verb ''doing''.

(D) they might be poisoning themselves by doing so - has no error. hence, (D) is the right answer choice.

(E) it could be poisonous for them to do that
- the singular demonstrative pronoun ''that'' does not have a clear antecedent. (''that'' cannot refer to the action of ''making wine'' since pronouns cannot be used to refer to an action)
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Can someone tell me the difference between C and D. Why option C is wrong?
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Can someone tell me the difference between C and D. Why option C is wrong?
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There is a logic issue in option (C). It states:

doing so might be poisonous for themselves

Now, if you notice, the poisonousness is being sourced from "doing so", an activity, which clearly cannot be the case. It has to be the wine itself. This problem is not there in option (D), which states:

they might be poisoning themselves by doing so.

The source of the poison is not mentioned but only the medium is mentioned as "they" ie; the Romans.

Hope this helps.
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But,it has been given in the statement that Romans use lead glass in making wine. The entire process of making wine in lead glass can make poison for them. Where am I wrong in this logic?

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Can someone tell me the difference between C and D. Why option C is wrong?
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There is a logic issue in option (C). It states:

doing so might be poisonous for themselves

Now, if you notice, the poisonousness is being sourced from "doing so", an activity, which clearly cannot be the case. It has to be the wine itself. This problem is not there in option (D), which states:

they might be poisoning themselves by doing so.

The source of the poison is not mentioned but only the medium is mentioned as "they" ie; the Romans.

Hope this helps.

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But,it has been given in the statement that Romans use lead glass in making wine. The entire process of making wine in lead glass can make poison for them. Where am I wrong in this logic?

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Let's see what happens when we replace "doing so" in choice (C): "The Romans continued to use lead vessels in making wine even after they had been warned that [continuing to use lead vessels in making wine] might be poisonous for themselves."

You can say that wine itself is poisonous. However, you wouldn't say that drinking wine is poisonous. The adjective poisonous should describe the substance itself, not the act of ingesting that substance.

Similarly, you could say that "continuing to use lead vessels might be hazardous/dangerous/deadly." But, as explained by CrackVerbalGMAT, it's not quite right to say "continuing to use lead vessels might be poisonous." It's the wine that's poisonous, not the act of using lead vessels to make the wine.

I hope that helps a bit!
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Can someone tell me the difference between C and D. Why option C is wrong?
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There is a logic issue in option (C). It states:

doing so might be poisonous for themselves

Now, if you notice, the poisonousness is being sourced from "doing so", an activity, which clearly cannot be the case. It has to be the wine itself. This problem is not there in option (D), which states:

they might be poisoning themselves by doing so.

The source of the poison is not mentioned but only the medium is mentioned as "they" ie; the Romans.

Hope this helps.

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But,it has been given in the statement that Romans use lead glass in making wine. The entire process of making wine in lead glass can make poison for them. Where am I wrong in this logic?

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Let's see what happens when we replace "doing so" in choice (C): "The Romans continued to use lead vessels in making wine even after they had been warned that [continuing to use lead vessels in making wine] might be poisonous for themselves."

You can say that wine itself is poisonous. However, you wouldn't say that drinking wine is poisonous. The adjective poisonous should describe the substance itself, not the act of ingesting that substance.

Similarly, you could say that "continuing to use lead vessels might be hazardous/dangerous/deadly." But, as explained by CrackVerbalGMAT, it's not quite right to say "continuing to use lead vessels might be poisonous." It's the wine that's poisonous, not the act of using lead vessels to make the wine.

I hope that helps a bit!



But isn't D doing the same? how is doing so of c different than d?
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(C) doing so might be poisonous for themselves

In this option, "poisonous" is an adjective. In this case, it modifies a noun phrase describing an activity: doing so. So this version is saying that the act of using lead vessels is itself poisonous. An act can lead to poisoning, but drinking out of a cup is not actually POISONOUS--only poison is poisonous.

(D) they might be poisoning themselves by doing so

In this option, "by doing so" is an adverbial modifier. It applies to the previous clause: "they might be poisoning themselves." So this is saying that BECAUSE people are drinking from lead vessels, they may be poisoning themselves. It isn't saying that the action itself contains poisonous.

In many other cases, we might use either form. For instance, I could say "taking 8 classes is stressful" or "I stressed myself out by taking 8 classes," since the actual ACT of taking many classes can be stressful. But if I wanted to say "I weighed myself down by carrying the chair," I can't say "Carrying the chair was heavy" (or "weighty"). It's a difference between adjectives that can reasonably describe an ACTIVITY, versus adjectives that can only describe an object involved in that activity. Taking classes can be stressful, but drinking isn't poisonous and carrying isn't heavy. For those cases, we can express what we want to say by showing the RESULT of our action: BECAUSE they drank, they poisoned themselves. BECAUSE I carried the chair, I was weighed down.
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The Romans continued to use lead vessels in making wine even after they had been warned that they might poison themselves by doing it.

Option Elimination -

(A) they might poison themselves by doing it - the "it" pronoun refers to the action of "using lead vessels in making wine." The use of pronouns to refer to verbs is wrong.

(B) it might be poisonous for them to do that - "that" pronoun refers to the action of "using lead vessels in making wine." The use of pronouns to refer to verbs is wrong.

(C) doing so might be poisonous for themselves - "doing so" refers to the action of "using lead vessels in making wine." The action itself is not poisonous. The wine that they used to make by this action of "using lead vessels in making wine" was poisonous. An act (doing so) is poisonous (might be poisonous) - ridiculous. ACTION IS POISONOUS.

Moreover, the reflexive pronoun "themselves" has to refer back to the subject. "that" introduces the relative clause. So, in this relative clause, "doing so" is the subject. "themselves" doesn't make sense with "doing so." But if we now look at option D, we have "they" as a subject (which refers back to "the Romans"), and "themselves" makes perfect sense with "they" and, in turn, with "Romans."

(D) they might be poisoning themselves by doing so - passive voice is a red herring. An act "doing so" leads to poisoning "poisoning themselves" - correct? Yes. As DmitryFarber pointed out, this is essentially saying that "Because they are drinking from the lead vessels, they may be poisoning themselves." ACTION LED TO POISONING. Moreover, the reflexive pronoun "themselves" correctly refers to the subject here, "they" and Romans.

(E) it could be poisonous for them to do that - "that" pronoun refers to the action of "using lead vessels in making wine." The use of pronouns to refer to verbs is wrong.
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