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kuttingchai wrote:
Will go for B

whenever you see "evaluate the argument" - is a question where you mostly weaken the conclusion

conclusion: "getting a teaching job in Vargonia's government-funded schools will easy by a recession

(A) Whether in Vargonia there are any schools not funded by the government that offer children an education free of charge
--> OUt of scope

(B) Whether the number of qualified applicants for teaching positions in government-funded schools increases significantly during economic recessions
--> if teaching positions will increase, then there is possibility that that getting job will not be easy. This weaken the conclusion. Kepp it.

(C) What the current student-teacher ratio in Vargonia's government-funded schools is
--> OUt of scope

(D) What proportion of Vargonia's workers currently hold jobs as teachers in government-funded schools
--> OUt of scope

(E) Whether in the past a number of government funded schools in Vargonia have had student teacher ratios well in excess of the new limit
--> if the ratio exceed the new limit it doesnot necessarilty make getting the job difficult

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teaching position is increased then getting job will not be easy. is that make any sense?? i think your reasoning may be faulty. correct me if i am wrong. thnx
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Vargonia has just introduced a legal requirement that student-teacher ratios in government-funded schoolsnot exceed a certain limit. All Vargonian children are entitled to education, free of charge, in these schools. When a recession occurs and average incomes fall, the number of children enrolled in government-funded schools tends to increase. Therefore, though most employment opportunities contract in economic recessions, getting a teaching job in Vargonia's government-funded schools will not be made more difficult by a recession.

Which of the following would be most important to determine in order to evaluate the argument?

(A) Whether in Vargonia there are any schools not funded by the government that offer children an education free of charge

(B) Whether the number of qualified applicants for teaching positions in government-funded schools increases significantly during economic recessions

(C) What the current student-teacher ratio in Vargonia's government-funded schools is

(D) What proportion of Vargonia's workers currently hold jobs as teachers in government-funded schools

(E) Whether in the past a number of government funded schools in Vargonia have had student teacher ratios well in excess of the new limit


Originally selected C for the same reasons other 14% have done .

Deciphering B :

(B) Whether the number of qualified applicants for teaching positions in government-funded schools increases significantly during economic recessions
Ans : yes , which will mean the number of applicants has increased and that in turn will make more difficult to get the Job. Weakens the conclusion.

Ans : No , which will mean the number of applicants remains same , and that in turn will keep the diffuculty level of getting a teaching job at the same level. Strengthen the conclusion.
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This question falls apart if you put yourself in the shoes of the teacher. After understanding the argument, personalize the situation. You are a teacher in Vargonia. The argument says it will not be more difficult for you to find a job if it's a recession. If you were the teacher, what would you want to know to verify this? B jumps off the page immediately. C is completely irrelevant.
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Vargonia has just introduced a legal requirement that student-teacher ratios in government-funded schoolsnot exceed a certain limit. All Vargonian children are entitled to education, free of charge, in these schools. When a recession occurs and average incomes fall, the number of children enrolled in government-funded schools tends to increase. Therefore, though most employment opportunities contract in economic recessions, getting a teaching job in Vargonia's government-funded schools will not be made more difficult by a recession.

Which of the following would be most important to determine in order to evaluate the argument?

(A) Whether in Vargonia there are any schools not funded by the government that offer children an education free of charge

(B) Whether the number of qualified applicants for teaching positions in government-funded schools increases significantly during economic recessions

(C) What the current student-teacher ratio in Vargonia's government-funded schools is

(D) What proportion of Vargonia's workers currently hold jobs as teachers in government-funded schools

(E) Whether in the past a number of government funded schools in Vargonia have had student teacher ratios well in excess of the new limit


The answer is B
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Vargonia has just introduced a legal requirement that student-teacher ratios in government-funded schoolsnot exceed a certain limit. All Vargonian children are entitled to education, free of charge, in these schools. When a recession occurs and average incomes fall, the number of children enrolled in government-funded schools tends to increase. Therefore, though most employment opportunities contract in economic recessions, getting a teaching job in Vargonia's government-funded schools will not be made more difficult by a recession.

Which of the following would be most important to determine in order to evaluate the argument?

(A) Whether in Vargonia there are any schools not funded by the government that offer children an education free of charge

(B) Whether the number of qualified applicants for teaching positions in government-funded schools increases significantly during economic recessions

(C) What the current student-teacher ratio in Vargonia's government-funded schools is

(D) What proportion of Vargonia's workers currently hold jobs as teachers in government-funded schools

(E) Whether in the past a number of government funded schools in Vargonia have had student teacher ratios well in excess of the new limit


Imo B
Let students to teachers ration be s/t
Now this ration is to be kept constant .
Conclusion is that getting teaching job is easy in recession well this is very positive thinking :-)
Now suppose number of students increase in recession so to maintain the ratio more teachers will be hired now here is the catch if suppose they are much more applicants for the job than otherwise then it will become tough to get the job .
So for the reasoning above B is the answer .

C is tricky option but knowing the ratio will not tell us that getting job will be easy in recession hence drop this choice .
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I am convinced that B is the right answer ,
B is better than A for sure . But can any one explain why we considered A wrong ?

Quote:
(A) Whether in Vargonia there are any schools not funded by the government that offer children an education free of charge
--> OUt of scope

It is true that this is out of scope , but it will affect the conclusion .
If there are any schools not funded by the government that offer children an education free of charge , then children maybe will go to these schools , and the ratio of students/teacher in government school will stay the same >>the difficulty of finding jobs for teachers will be the same as before the recession .
If not ,then children will go to government schools , ration will go up , a need for new teachers , jobs might be easier because of the recession .
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Situation:
1. certain law has been introduced so that student-teacher ratios in government-funded schools not exceed a certain limit.
2. when recession increase, student in government-funded school increase.
3. citing above lines, getting a job as teacher at recession time will be easy.

Reasoning:
Well this can be possible because at time of recession, student-teacher ratio will start increase. to maintain it as per law, more teached need to be hired.

Which of the following would be most important to determine in order to evaluate the argument?

(A) Whether in Vargonia there are any schools not funded by the government that offer children an education free of charge --- irrelevant to our cause.

(B) Whether the number of qualified applicants for teaching positions in government-funded schools increases significantly during economic recessions --- this seems a close answer. if number of applicants is less this factor can not increase on the other hand if more qualified applicants are coming in, more can be chosen from lot.

(C) What the current student-teacher ratio in Vargonia's government-funded schools is --- this number has nothing to do with the number at time of recession.

(D) What proportion of Vargonia's workers currently hold jobs as teachers in government-funded schools --- again an irrelevant factor.

(E) Whether in the past a number of government funded schools in Vargonia have had student teacher ratios well in excess of the new limit --- past situation can not impact future stats.
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kuttingchai wrote:
Will go for B

whenever you see "evaluate the argument" - is a question where you mostly weaken the conclusion

conclusion: "getting a teaching job in Vargonia's government-funded schools will easy by a recession

(A) Whether in Vargonia there are any schools not funded by the government that offer children an education free of charge
--> OUt of scope

(B) Whether the number of qualified applicants for teaching positions in government-funded schools increases significantly during economic recessions
--> if teaching positions will increase, then there is possibility that that getting job will not be easy. This weaken the conclusion. Kepp it.

(C) What the current student-teacher ratio in Vargonia's government-funded schools is
--> OUt of scope

(D) What proportion of Vargonia's workers currently hold jobs as teachers in government-funded schools
--> OUt of scope

(E) Whether in the past a number of government funded schools in Vargonia have had student teacher ratios well in excess of the new limit
--> if the ratio exceed the new limit it doesnot necessarilty make getting the job difficult

Hope that helps


teaching position is increased then getting job will not be easy. is that make any sense?? i think your reasoning may be faulty. correct me if i am wrong. thnx


I'm unsure of the approach you took here.
Option B i.e. "Whether the number of qualified applicants for teaching positions in government-funded schools increases significantly during economic recessions" doesn't mention teaching position is increased then getting job will not be easy.
Rather to deal with this option lets see how it goes:
Conclusion: getting a teaching job in Vargonia’s government‐funded schools will not be made more difficult by a recession.
Option B says : Whether the number of qualified applicants for teaching positions in government-funded schools increases significantly during economic recessions
If I answer POSITIVE: Yes the number of applicant for teaching positions in government funded school increases significantly during economic recession. Then the conclusion of the argument falls apart/is weakened.
NEGATIVE:
Option B : Whether the number of qualified applicants for teaching positions in government-funded schools increases significantly during economic recessions
If I answer NEGATIVE: NO the number of applicant for teaching positions in government funded school won't increases significantly during economic recession. Then the conclusion of the argument is strengthened.
So basically we don't know about the number of teaching vacancies increase or decrease, but we are speculating about the number of candidates.
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Situation: During a recession, the number of children in government‐funded schools in Vargonia tends to increase. Vargonian children are entitled to a free education in these schools. A new law requires student‐teacher ratios in these schools to remain below a certain limit.

Reasoning Which of the fi ve questions would provide us with the best information for evaluating the argument?
The argument’s conclusion is that recessions do not make teaching jobs in Vargonia’s government‐funded schools harder to get. During recessions, the reasoning goes, more students will enroll in Vargonia’s government‐funded schools than in nonrecession times. Implicit in the argument is the thought that, because the new law sets an upper limit on the average number of students per teacher, schools that get an influx of new students would have to hire more teachers. During a recession, however, there might be much more competition in the labor market for teachers because many more qualifi ed people are applying for teaching jobs.

A This information is not signifi cant in the context of the argument, which does not need to assume that only government‐funded schools provide free education.

B Correct. Getting an answer to this question would provide us with specifi c information useful in evaluating the argument. A “yes” answer to this question would suggest that competition for teaching jobs in Vargonian government‐funded schools would be keener during recessions. A “no” answer would suggest that the level of competition would decrease during recessions.

C Discovering the current student‐teacher ratio in Vargonia’s schools would be of no value, by itself, in evaluating the argument. We do not know what the new upper limit on the student‐teacher ratio is, and we do not know whether Vargonia is currently in a recession.

D Finding out whether the proportion this refers to is 1 percent, for example, or 4 percent, would tell us nothing about whether getting teaching jobs at government‐funded schools in Vargonia becomes more difficult during a recession. Among other things, we do not know whether Vargonia is currently in a recession, and we do not know what proportion of Vargonia’s workers would be qualifi ed candidates for teaching jobs.

E This is of no relevance in evaluating the argument because, presumably, the new limit on student-teacher ratios will be complied with. Th us, even if student‐teacher ratios in the past would have exceeded the new limit, the argument concerns whether, in the future , getting a teaching job in Vargonia’s government‐funded schools will be made more diffi cult by a recession.
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Vargonia has just introduced a legal requirement that student-teacher ratios in government-funded schools not exceed a certain limit. All Vargonian children are entitled to education, free of charge, in these schools. When a recession occurs and average incomes fall, the number of children enrolled in government-funded schools tends to increase. Therefore, though most employment opportunities contract in economic recessions, getting a teaching job in Vargonia's government-funded schools will not be made more difficult by a recession.

Which of the following would be most important to determine in order to evaluate the argument?

(A) Whether in Vargonia there are any schools not funded by the government that offer children an education free of charge

(B) Whether the number of qualified applicants for teaching positions in government-funded schools increases significantly during economic recessions

(C) What the current student-teacher ratio in Vargonia's government-funded schools is

(D) What proportion of Vargonia's workers currently hold jobs as teachers in government-funded schools

(E) Whether in the past a number of government funded schools in Vargonia have had student teacher ratios well in excess of the new limit


The answer should be B. The argument says that it would not be difficult to get a teaching job in government funded schools during recession. So, it would be good to evaluate if there is any increase in the applications for teaching positions at govt. funded schools. The more the competition, the less likely people are to get a job.
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correct me if i am wrong. thnx


Refer to the official explanation in case if you have any doubts:-

https://gmatclub.com/forum/vargonia-has ... l#p2132381
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(B) Whether the number of qualified applicants for teaching positions in government-funded schools increases significantly during economic recessions

B addresses the concern
If number of applicants is increasing then it is tough to get job otherwise it is not
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B) Whether the number of qualified applicants for teaching positions in government-funded schools increases significantly during economic recession
B correctly points out main point in argument
If yes then conclusion is weakened
If no then conclusion is strengethned
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I do get why B is correct, however I also think that E could be correct.

We want to know if it is going to be harder to a get a job as a teacher in a recession, given that we have a mandated S/T ratio and given that the number of students increases in a recession.

In Choice E, if we say the ratio is not held constant that would mean, that the schools don't necessarily employ more teachers, so it not easier to get a job as a teacher. If the ratio is in fact being held constant, then the supply of teaching jobs increases and thus this makes it easier to find a teaching job.

Where is my mistake in logic? - Thank you!
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Krischo5000 - Problem with your reasoning is that - you are not considering first line of argument "Vargonia has just introduced a legal requirement that student-teacher ratios in government-funded schools not. this ratio has to be maintained. Now let see your reasoning with this context.

if we say the ratio is not held constant that would mean, that the schools don't necessarily employ more teachers, so it not easier to get a job as a teacher. ---- first vargonia has just introduced it. so old data may or may not be true. 2nd let say it was introduced a while ago, So if a higher ratio already maintained then hiring more people is not a good idea, as mentioned in choice B. last, old data never reflect future pattern, atleast in gmat, unless something is given to connect them.

On these grounds E is wrong. Hope it helps.
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I had a doubt about option (C)
I narrowed down to B/C - But C was kinda my prephrased answer so picked it anyway
My Reasoning For C
If the current student:teacher ratio is very low , for instance schools have 10 students and 50 teachers.. So in an economic recession, the school will not need to hire teachers - because the ratio will not increase above the limit
Would really appreciate if somene can guide how I should avoid such issues, i have encountered this multiple times ....



I am also having same doubt for option C.
Current Ratio will have an impact on future teaching hiring:

for e g. let's assume threshold is 100/1
if it is 10/1 at present then low chances of future hiring
if it is 90/1 at present then high chances of future hiring

I am bit confused can anyone help on this ?
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This is a tricky question. We want to make sure we do not lose track of the conclusion, which can basically be boiled down to: in a recession getting a teaching job at Vergonia's government-funded schools will not become difficult.

Vargonia has just introduced a legal requirement that student-teacher ratios in government-funded schoolsnot exceed a certain limit. All Vargonian children are entitled to education, free of charge, in these schools. When a recession occurs and average incomes fall, the number of children enrolled in government-funded schools tends to increase. Therefore, though most employment opportunities contract in economic recessions, getting a teaching job in Vargonia's government-funded schools will not be made more difficult by a recession.

Which of the following would be most important to determine in order to evaluate the argument?

(A) Whether in Vargonia there are any schools not funded by the government that offer children an education free of charge

Schools that are not government-funded are irrelevant to the argument.

(B) Whether the number of qualified applicants for teaching positions in government-funded schools increases significantly during economic recessions

Here we have a reason that undermines the conclusion. If everybody is applying for a job at Vergonia's schools during a recession, getting a job there will not be easy. The assumption in the argument is that the increased demand for teachers will not be met with an increased supply of teachers. (B) exposes this assumption. Thus, in evaluating the argument, we need to know whether government-funded schools are inundated with a supply of teachers.

(C) What the current student-teacher ratio in Vargonia's government-funded schools is

This knowledge does not address the conclusion.

(D) What proportion of Vargonia's workers currently hold jobs as teachers in government-funded schools

Knowledge of the number of workers in Vargonia who currently work at government schools will not help us determine the validity of the conclusion. We need an answer choice that addresses the questions: Will it be easy to get a job at government-related schools in a recession.

(E) Whether in the past a number of government funded schools in Vargonia have had student teacher ratios well in excess of the new limit

Again, this answer choice does not help us address the conclusion.



Hi Christopher,

I have one confusion. Can u please explain why A cant be the answer ?

My point is " Whether in Vargonia there are any schools not funded by the government that offer children an education free of charge.

In my opinion in case the answer to this question is Yes OR A No does have have an impact to the question ? If the answer is yes that non govt funded schools are giving free eductaion at this point would mean that children dont have to leave these schools to join the Govt funded schools and then the govt schools might not have to hire more teachers to maintain the student : teacher ratio ? If ans is No then clearly it will increase employment opportunities for teachers in govt funded schools ? So according to me this is an important questions to evaluate the argument .
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