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Vargonia has just introduced a legal requirement that student-teacher ratios in government-funded schools not exceed a certain limit. All Vargonian children are entitled to education, free of charge, in these schools. When a recession occurs and average incomes fall, the number of children enrolled in government-funded schools tends to increase. Therefore, though most employment opportunities contract in economic recessions, getting a teaching job in Vargonia's government-funded schools will not be made more difficult by a recession.

Which of the following would be most important to determine in order to evaluate the argument?

(A) Whether in Vargonia there are any schools not funded by the government that offer children an education free of charge

(B) Whether the number of qualified applicants for teaching positions in government-funded schools increases significantly during economic recessions

(C) What the current student-teacher ratio in Vargonia's government-funded schools is

(D) What proportion of Vargonia's workers currently hold jobs as teachers in government-funded schools

(E) Whether in the past a number of government funded schools in Vargonia have had student teacher ratios well in excess of the new limit

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During a recession, the number of children in government-funded schools in Vargonia tends to increase. Vargonian children are entitled to a free education in these schools. A new law requires student-teacher ratios in these schools to remain below a certain limit.

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Which of the five questions would provide us with the best information for evaluating the argument? The argument's conclusion is that recessions do not make teaching jobs in Vargonia's government-funded schools harder to get. During recessions, the reasoning goes, more students will enroll in Vargonia's government-funded schools than in nonrecession times. Implicit in the argument is the thought that, because the new law sets an upper limit on the average number of students per teacher, schools that get an influx of new students would have to hire more teachers. During a recession, however, there might be much more competition in the labor market for teachers because many more qualified people are applying for teaching jobs.

(A) This information is not significant in the context of the argument, which does not need to assume that only government-funded schools provide free education.

(B) Correct. Getting an answer to this question would provide us with specific information useful in evaluating the argument.

A “yes” answer to this question would suggest that competition for teaching jobs in Vargonian government-funded schools would be keener during recessions.

A “no” answer would suggest that the level of competition would decrease during recessions.

(C) Discovering the current student-teacher ratio in Vargonia's schools would be of no value, by itself, in evaluating the argument. We do not know what the new upper limit on the student-teacher ratio is, and we do not know whether Vargonia is currently in a recession.

(D) Finding out whether the proportion this refers to is 1 percent, for example, or 4 percent, would tell us nothing about whether getting teaching jobs at government-funded schools in Vargonia becomes more difficult during a recession. Among other things, we do not know whether Vargonia is currently in a recession, and we do not know what proportion of Vargonia's workers would be qualified candidates for teaching jobs.

(E) This is of no relevance in evaluating the argument because, presumably, the new limit on student-teacher ratios will be complied with. Thus, even if student-teacher ratios in the past would have exceeded the new limit, the argument concerns whether, in the future, getting a teaching job in Vargonia's government-funded schools will be made more difficult by a recession.
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This is a tricky question. We want to make sure we do not lose track of the conclusion, which can basically be boiled down to: in a recession getting a teaching job at Vergonia's government-funded schools will not become difficult.

Vargonia has just introduced a legal requirement that student-teacher ratios in government-funded schoolsnot exceed a certain limit. All Vargonian children are entitled to education, free of charge, in these schools. When a recession occurs and average incomes fall, the number of children enrolled in government-funded schools tends to increase. Therefore, though most employment opportunities contract in economic recessions, getting a teaching job in Vargonia's government-funded schools will not be made more difficult by a recession.

Which of the following would be most important to determine in order to evaluate the argument?

(A) Whether in Vargonia there are any schools not funded by the government that offer children an education free of charge

Schools that are not government-funded are irrelevant to the argument.

(B) Whether the number of qualified applicants for teaching positions in government-funded schools increases significantly during economic recessions

Here we have a reason that undermines the conclusion. If everybody is applying for a job at Vergonia's schools during a recession, getting a job there will not be easy. The assumption in the argument is that the increased demand for teachers will not be met with an increased supply of teachers. (B) exposes this assumption. Thus, in evaluating the argument, we need to know whether government-funded schools are inundated with a supply of teachers.

(C) What the current student-teacher ratio in Vargonia's government-funded schools is

This knowledge does not address the conclusion.

(D) What proportion of Vargonia's workers currently hold jobs as teachers in government-funded schools

Knowledge of the number of workers in Vargonia who currently work at government schools will not help us determine the validity of the conclusion. We need an answer choice that addresses the questions: Will it be easy to get a job at government-related schools in a recession.

(E) Whether in the past a number of government funded schools in Vargonia have had student teacher ratios well in excess of the new limit

Again, this answer choice does not help us address the conclusion.
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Which of the following would be most important to determine in order to evaluate the argument?

Count me in on (B). Here's my train of thought:

Premise: Vargonia student-teacher ratio not exceed (mathematically = s/t; by this stage I'm beginning to open possibilities of mathematical critical reasoning)
Premise: All children entitled
Premise: Recession
Conclusion: Getting a teaching job not more difficult

Now, with this question type (evaluate), the point of attack is: "if this answer choice is true, would it weaken or strengthen the conclusion?"

That's why it'd be best to think about "evaluate" question types as "hybrid" strengthen/weaken type. Essentially, you're just determining if the given answer choice could weaken or strengthen the conclusion if that given answer is deemed true/false.

(A) Whether in Vargonia there are any schools not funded by the government that offer children an education free of charge - See, this is out of scope. Much more, if this is true, it wouldn't affect the conclusion of the argument. As a matter of fact, this goes beyond the scope of the argument.

(B) Whether the number of qualified applicants for teaching positions in government-funded schools increases significantly during economic recessions - See our plan of attack is best used here. If the number of qualified increases then this would strengthen the argument. Why? Because we will be able to maintain the student/teacher ratio. However, if the number decreases then the conclusion is weakened. :)

(C) What the current student-teacher ratio in Vargonia's government-funded schools is - Now, if you determine the student-teacher ratio, would it affect the conclusion of the argument? Of course not. Eliminate.

(D) What proportion of Vargonia's workers currently hold jobs as teachers in government-funded schools - Again, this doesn't affect the conclusion of the argument whether it be true or false. If I told you the proportion is 5 is to 1, would if affect the conclusion? Eliminate.

(E) Whether in the past a number of government funded schools in Vargonia have had student teacher ratios well in excess of the new limit - So? If the past ratio exceeded, would it strengthen or weaken the argument? Of course not. Eliminate.

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Straight B. The conclusion says it would not be hard to find a teaching job in government-funded schools. Therefore, if we did know that there isn't an increase in government-school teaching jobs during recessions, that evidence would help us in validating the argument or otherwise.

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Will go for B

whenever you see "evaluate the argument" - is a question where you mostly weaken the conclusion

conclusion: "getting a teaching job in Vargonia's government-funded schools will easy by a recession

(A) Whether in Vargonia there are any schools not funded by the government that offer children an education free of charge
--> OUt of scope

(B) Whether the number of qualified applicants for teaching positions in government-funded schools increases significantly during economic recessions
--> if teaching positions will increase, then there is possibility that that getting job will not be easy. This weaken the conclusion. Kepp it.

(C) What the current student-teacher ratio in Vargonia's government-funded schools is
--> OUt of scope

(D) What proportion of Vargonia's workers currently hold jobs as teachers in government-funded schools
--> OUt of scope

(E) Whether in the past a number of government funded schools in Vargonia have had student teacher ratios well in excess of the new limit
--> if the ratio exceed the new limit it doesnot necessarilty make getting the job difficult

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B is correct..
The soul of a CR question is its Conclusion. If You've found the conclusion your more than half job is done.
Here is the conclusion : Its Easy to find Job in Govt. funded schools during recession.
In evaluate question , you have to find a query whose answer can hit the the assumption and logic of the argument on its nose :evil:

Now we will just look at the answers to each query:
a) out of scope ; even if there are some schools that provide free education , we dont have enough premises to conclude any effect on our argument..
b)right on the money !!! if there is a significant increase of job applicants .. finding a job might not be so easy as it seems ..
c) :lol: are you serious ... please pray that GMAC starts providing approx 4 this kinda options with the right one .....
d) Its making our task more easy . .. lets say 50% hold a job .. so what ? absolutely nothing !!
e)past is past ... .even in past if this situation was there .. what i'm getting from that .. .nothing !! .. there are no premises in the question to justify any effect ...

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This is a tricky question. We want to make sure we do not lose track of the conclusion, which can basically be boiled down to: in a recession getting a teaching job at Vergonia's government-funded schools will not become difficult.

Vargonia has just introduced a legal requirement that student-teacher ratios in government-funded schoolsnot exceed a certain limit. All Vargonian children are entitled to education, free of charge, in these schools. When a recession occurs and average incomes fall, the number of children enrolled in government-funded schools tends to increase. Therefore, though most employment opportunities contract in economic recessions, getting a teaching job in Vargonia's government-funded schools will not be made more difficult by a recession.

Which of the following would be most important to determine in order to evaluate the argument?

(A) Whether in Vargonia there are any schools not funded by the government that offer children an education free of charge

Schools that are not government-funded are irrelevant to the argument.

(B) Whether the number of qualified applicants for teaching positions in government-funded schools increases significantly during economic recessions

Here we have a reason that undermines the conclusion. If everybody is applying for a job at Vergonia's schools during a recession, getting a job there will not be easy. The assumption in the argument is that the increased demand for teachers will not be met with an increased supply of teachers. (B) exposes this assumption. Thus, in evaluating the argument, we need to know whether government-funded schools are inundated with a supply of teachers.

(C) What the current student-teacher ratio in Vargonia's government-funded schools is

This knowledge does not address the conclusion.

(D) What proportion of Vargonia's workers currently hold jobs as teachers in government-funded schools

Knowledge of the number of workers in Vargonia who currently work at government schools will not help us determine the validity of the conclusion. We need an answer choice that addresses the questions: Will it be easy to get a job at government-related schools in a recession.

(E) Whether in the past a number of government funded schools in Vargonia have had student teacher ratios well in excess of the new limit

Again, this answer choice does not help us address the conclusion.


+1 B.

For now, we can safely ignore 'E' ,but If the teacher student ratio (instead of student teacher ratio) was given well excess of the new limit, I think this option would also have been the contender because if there are already more teachers in the government schools, even in economic recession they might not need to hire new teachers.



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Okay, so I understand that B is the most correct answer, but my first answer (got it wrong because it is the last question on the test and i was rushed and panicking) was A.

And here is why, the conclusion states that although most employment opportunities contract in economic recessions, getting a teaching job in Vargonia's government-funded schools will not be made more difficult by a recession.

Which of the following would be most important to determine in order to evaluate the argument?

A says whether in Vargonia there are any schools not funded by the government that offer children an education free of charge.

I believe this also would be useful in examining (although not the best). The conclusion specifically states that getting a job at a government funded job will not be anymore difficult because of the teacher/student limit.

If there were private schools that offered an education free of charge, all the parents would simply enroll their students there instead... (In America, it is generally accepted that private schools are better than public schools, so i would expect us to have to assume this to be true in this case as well, since the GMAT is an American test)

Causing the enrollment at the Vargonia government-funded schools to drop... which would then make that Student to Teacher ratio cap void, and therefore just as difficult to get a job at a Vargonia gov-funded school.

Why is my logic wrong here?
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I will go mathematically to given premises, Given S/T = K (need to be const as per the law of Vargonia) i.e ratio of students and teachers . but during recession the no. of students enrolled increase so ratio will be (S+x)/T > K ( where x is no of increased students ). As numerator is increased so the ratio will greater than the previous ratio K.To maintain the ratio , the no of teachers need, to be increased

ie option B :P
Whether the number of qualified applicants for teaching positions in government-funded schools increases significantly during economic recessions
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I had a doubt about option (C)
I narrowed down to B/C - But C was kinda my prephrased answer so picked it anyway
My Reasoning For C
If the current student:teacher ratio is very low , for instance schools have 10 students and 50 teachers.. So in an economic recession, the school will not need to hire teachers - because the ratio will not increase above the limit
Would really appreciate if somene can guide how I should avoid such issues, i have encountered this multiple times ....
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I had a doubt about option (C)
I narrowed down to B/C - But C was kinda my prephrased answer so picked it anyway
My Reasoning For C
If the current student:teacher ratio is very low , for instance schools have 10 students and 50 teachers.. So in an economic recession, the school will not need to hire teachers - because the ratio will not increase above the limit
Would really appreciate if somene can guide how I should avoid such issues, i have encountered this multiple times ....


Hi Rohan,

Let me try to address your doubt.

In all argument questions, it is very important to understand the conclusion very thoroughly. Let's look at the conclusion here:

Therefore, though most employment opportunities contract in economic recessions, getting a teaching job in Vargonia's government-funded schools will not be made more difficult by a recession.

Pay attention to the key words here: "more" and "not difficult"

"More" implies we are making a comparison. Comparison of what? Comparison of two time periods - recession and normal periods.
"Not difficult" means that job opportunities per applicant will not decrease during the recession. It does not mean that it will rise during the recession. So, anything which suggests that opportunities will not rise during recession is not a weakener because the conclusion is not talking about increase in opportunities.

However, anything that suggests that opportunities will decrease during the recession is a valid weakener.

Now, let's look at option C:

(C) What the current student-teacher ratio in Vargonia's government-funded schools is?

As your rightly observed, if the teacher-student ratio is very low, then the schools may not need to hire during the recession. But does that weaken the conclusion? Does this mean that the job opportunities will decline during recession? The answer is No. If the ratio is low, then the schools don't have requirement both in the normal and the recessionary periods. So, there is no decline in opportunities during recession. In case of low ratio, it would only mean that opportunities may not rise during recession; however, that would not weaken the argument as we understood before.

Now, let's look at option B:

(B) Whether the number of qualified applicants for teaching positions in government-funded schools increases significantly during economic recessions

This option specifically creates a difference between normal and recession periods. It says that during recessions, the number of applicants for teaching positions increases significantly. So, even if new jobs are created because of additional students, it may not make the job easier to get since the number of applicants has also increased. So, even if the supply of jobs increases, it will not make job easier to get because the demand would also increase.

Does this help?

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I had a doubt about option (C)
I narrowed down to B/C - But C was kinda my prephrased answer so picked it anyway
My Reasoning For C
If the current student:teacher ratio is very low , for instance schools have 10 students and 50 teachers.. So in an economic recession, the school will not need to hire teachers - because the ratio will not increase above the limit
Would really appreciate if somene can guide how I should avoid such issues, i have encountered this multiple times ....


What i Think abt C.. its out of scope..

we r concern with only recession time..
what is the current ratio , it wont affect the argument..

A & B are the contender..
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Okay, so I understand that B is the most correct answer, but my first answer (got it wrong because it is the last question on the test and i was rushed and panicking) was A.


And here is why, the conclusion states that although most employment opportunities contract in economic recessions, getting a teaching job in Vargonia's government-funded schools will not be made more difficult by a recession.

Which of the following would be most important to determine in order to evaluate the argument?

A says whether in Vargonia there are any schools not funded by the government that offer children an education free of charge.

I believe this also would be useful in examining (although not the best). The conclusion specifically states that getting a job at a government funded job will not be anymore difficult because of the teacher/student limit.

If there were private schools that offered an education free of charge, all the parents would simply enroll their students there instead... (In America, it is generally accepted that private schools are better than public schools, so i would expect us to have to assume this to be true in this case as well, since the GMAT is an American test)

Causing the enrollment at the Vargonia government-funded schools to drop... which would then make that Student to Teacher ratio cap void, and therefore just as difficult to get a job at a Vargonia gov-funded school.

Why is my logic wrong here?


some how agree with u..this is the reason what i was thinking while making A as a contender..
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Anon1 and sanjoo,

The argument talks only about government funded schools, so private schools are out of scope of the argument.

Even if private schools are factored in, there is nothing about them that "changes" during a recession (unless you assume something else). To evaluate an argument about a change that occurs during a time period, you should look for options that provide information or new facts that hint at a change of some kind.

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I had a doubt about option (C)
I narrowed down to B/C - But C was kinda my prephrased answer so picked it anyway
My Reasoning For C
If the current student:teacher ratio is very low , for instance schools have 10 students and 50 teachers.. So in an economic recession, the school will not need to hire teachers - because the ratio will not increase above the limit
Would really appreciate if somene can guide how I should avoid such issues, i have encountered this multiple times ....



I went with C too but a close look and you get how misleading the ratio premise is in the question.For the ratio answer to hold true we need to know the following:
1. Current ratio
2. Limit Ratio
3. Actual number of student increase.

Generic statements will not help us determine the effect of teacher student ratio on the conclusion. Although I would be surprised if such kind of information was given in a CR question :shock:
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I had a doubt about option (C)
I narrowed down to B/C - But C was kinda my prephrased answer so picked it anyway
My Reasoning For C
If the current student:teacher ratio is very low , for instance schools have 10 students and 50 teachers.. So in an economic recession, the school will not need to hire teachers - because the ratio will not increase above the limit
Would really appreciate if somene can guide how I should avoid such issues, i have encountered this multiple times ....


This was my thinking as well... we are evaluating if getting a teaching jobs will not be made more difficult by a recession, in a situation that the number of children increase.

IMO, it is 100% relevant to know the current ratio. What if it is 1:5 and the law mandates no ratio greater than 1:30? Then the school will not need to hire any teachers. If it is at 1:30, which is the limit mandated by law, then they will need to hire more teachers due to the influx of students. This to me is a spot-on answer that addresses whether getting a teaching job will not be made more difficult.

Why do I think B is wrong? We don't know how many more teachers they need? What if they need 100 teachers, 50 are bad, 50 are good; they will end up hiring all of them regardless. So quality of the applicants may or may not affect if it is more difficult to get a job. I think for B to be right, you'd have to assume that there are more applicants than available spots.
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1. The passage states that a certain teacher-student ratio is to be maintained as per new law.
2. During recession, the number of students tend to increase, which means that as per the law the number of teachers also need to be increased.
3. Conclusion - Hence during recession, getting a teaching job in Vargonia's government-funded schools will not be difficult.
Option A: Schools not funded by the govt. is out of scope of the passage. Hence, incorrect.
Option B: If the number of teachers also increases during recession, then finding job in govt. funded school might be difficult. This option would help evaluate the argument. Hence, correct.
Option C: Current teacher-student ratio is irrelevant. It is the new ratio required as per law that is discussed in the passage. Hence, incorrect.
Option D: This option is again irrelevant to the passage discussed. Hence, incorrect.
Option E: Student-teacher ratio in past is irrelevant to the passage. Hence, incorrect.
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New post 07 Jul 2015, 01:20
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Just wanted to know your thoughts on option D.The reason we're eliminating it is it talks about current trends,which might not be a valid indicator for a future event as indicated in the argument 'getting a teaching job in Vargonia's government-funded schools will not be made more difficult by a recession.' ? If the option talked about such a thing for a future event, then I think this would make an attractive answer. Please let me know if I'm right thinking that way.Any suggestions would be highly appreciated.Thanks a ton!
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If the number of qualified applicants increase then competition increases which can decrease your chances of getting the teacher job ;
If the number of qualified applicants does not increase then your chances remain good as per the argument.
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Okay, so I understand that B is the most correct answer, but my first answer (got it wrong because it is the last question on the test and i was rushed and panicking) was A.

And here is why, the conclusion states that although most employment opportunities contract in economic recessions, getting a teaching job in Vargonia's government-funded schools will not be made more difficult by a recession.

Which of the following would be most important to determine in order to evaluate the argument?

A says whether in Vargonia there are any schools not funded by the government that offer children an education free of charge.

I believe this also would be useful in examining (although not the best). The conclusion specifically states that getting a job at a government funded job will not be anymore difficult because of the teacher/student limit.

If there were private schools that offered an education free of charge, all the parents would simply enroll their students there instead... (In America, it is generally accepted that private schools are better than public schools, so i would expect us to have to assume this to be true in this case as well, since the GMAT is an American test)

Causing the enrollment at the Vargonia government-funded schools to drop... which would then make that Student to Teacher ratio cap void, and therefore just as difficult to get a job at a Vargonia gov-funded school.

Why is my logic wrong here?


Your logic is not wrong. People who ignore this option stating out-of-scope are not right. This option is ion scope because this suggests that the ratio of S/T will not increase if there are other schools that provide free education. BUT where as this option keeps one one guessing about the outcome, option B gives straight conclusion based on applications for employment. In absence of option B, option A was a right and valid option.
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New post 12 May 2016, 03:41
lol throughout this post I see people choosing right answer B for 2 different and actually contrary reasons. The conclusion is: "to get a teaching job during a crisis will be easy".

Some say getting a job can be difficult because of the highly incerased competition and an increased pool of applicants. Others posit (Magoosh e.g.) that actually the school will not be able to find enough good candidates to fill the available positions during crisis.

Personally I incline to consider Magosh's line of reasoning more valid. Say the newly required S/T ratio is 100 to 10. Say Vargonia is undergoing the crisis and the number of students has risen to 200. Hence we need to find additional 10 teachers to sustain the ration: 200:20. The school understandably assumes that given the overall slacking labour market they will easily fill the 10 teacher vacancies. But will they? It might perfectly be the case Vargonia is so small that there are only 3 qualified candidates for the position, even during the crisis.
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