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rate of bob to paint n rooms is n/T(bob)
rate of Albert to paint n rooms is n/T(albert).
albert paints the room 1 hour slower than bob, so T (albert) = T(bob) -1
Together they paint the 3n/5 rooms in 4/3 hours. Rate is equal to work over time

Therefore
n/x + n/x-1 = (3n/5)/(4/3) =
n/x + n/x-1 = 9n/20. Fastest way for me is to think how would make the denominator 20. 4*5 = 20 and it fits x and x-1 or you can solve the quadratic
4n/20 + 5n/20 = 9n/20. Therefore you know it takes Albert 5 hours to paint n room, since Albert's rate is n/5.
5*3 = 3n
15 = 3n.

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Since options are taking about hrs taken by Albert to paint 3n rooms, we can use options which are divisible by 3, thus working on option B and E,
Option B
If for 3n rooms, Albert takes 9 hrs, so for n rooms he takes 3 hrs. Thus Bob will take 2 hrs to paint n rooms
Now if n = 60
Rate of Albert = \(\frac{60}{3}\) = 20 rooms per hour
Rate of Bob = \(\frac{60}{2}\) = 30 rooms per hour
So combined rate = 20+30 = 50 rooms per hour
So together they complete 50* \(\frac{4}{3} = \frac{200}{3}\) rooms which is not equal to \(\frac{3*60}{5}\)

Option E:
If for 3n rooms, Albert takes 15 hrs, so for n rooms he takes 5 hrs. Thus Bob will take 4 hrs to paint n rooms
Now if n = 60
Rate of Albert = \(\frac{60}{5}\) = 12 rooms per hour
Rate of Bob = \(\frac{60}{4}\) = 15 rooms per hour
So combined rate = 12+15 = 27 rooms per hour
So together they complete 27* \(\frac{4}{3}\) = 36 rooms which is equal to \(\frac{3*60}{5}\)
Thus option E
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Re: Albert and Bob are painting rooms at constant, but different [#permalink]
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Albert and Bob are painting rooms at constant, but different rates. Albert takes 1 hour longer than Bob to paint n rooms. Working side by side, they can paint a total of 3n/5 rooms in 4/3 hours. How many hours would it take Albert to paint 3n rooms by himself?

a) 7
b) 9
c) 11
d)13
e) 15

Please help, totally stumped. Looking for some simpler and quick approach.


Did a similar approach but somewhat shorter

A = B+1

Then 4/3 (1/B+1/(B+1)) = 3/5

Hence 1/B + 1/(B+1) = 9/20

So B = 4

Therefore A = 5

And so we will take 5*3 = 15 to paint three rooms

Answer is E

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Re: Albert and Bob are painting rooms at constant, but different [#permalink]
Rate * Time = Work

Let B be the hours that Albert takes to paint 'n' rooms then

For (Albert) => n/B * B = n
For (BOB) => n/(B-1) ( (B-1) = n

Combined rate = n/B + n/(B-1)

Again Rate * Time = Work

Then {n/B + n/(B-1)} * 4/3 = 3n/5

2B-1/{B(B-1)}=9/20

Substituting values B=5 then answer takes 3B since 3n rooms then (E)
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Re: Albert and Bob are painting rooms at constant, but different [#permalink]
Here's another way. May be shorter

A = B+1
B = A-1

Now then we have

1/A + 1/ (A-1) = (3/5) / (3/4) = 9n/20

We need to find 3n

Let's see

To get 9/20, we need something like 1/4 + 1/5 = 9/20

So A must be 5

If A takes 5 to paint 'n', it takes 15 to paint '3n'

Answer: E
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Re: Albert and Bob are painting rooms at constant, but different [#permalink]
VeritasPrepKarishma wrote:
Over here, please remember that numbers fall in place in GMAT questions. You should be able to figure that since the denominator is 20, A = 5 gives 5*4 in the denominator so it should work. Check before proceeding though.

So Albert paints a room in 5 hrs. For 3 rooms, he takes 3*5 = 15 hrs.


Hi Karishma,

What do you mean "numbers fall in place in GMAT"?
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VeritasPrepKarishma wrote:
Over here, please remember that numbers fall in place in GMAT questions. You should be able to figure that since the denominator is 20, A = 5 gives 5*4 in the denominator so it should work. Check before proceeding though.

So Albert paints a room in 5 hrs. For 3 rooms, he takes 3*5 = 15 hrs.


Hi Karishma,

What do you mean "numbers fall in place in GMAT"?


It means that GMAT doesn't expect you to do any funny decimal calculations. You won't find yourself multiplying 2.3 by 6.7. If the rate of work comes out to be 1/11, I would expect that the time for which you would have to work to complete it would be 22 hrs/33 hrs... etc

Since GMAT doesn't give you a calculator, it doesn't expect you to waste time doing these calculations in the test when you can easily use a calculator in real life. You don't need to have the skill to perform arduous calculations in a short span of time. You need to understand concepts and that's what they test. The numbers they use to test those concepts will be clean and easy to work with. Recognizing the concept will be the tough part.
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Re: Albert and Bob are painting rooms at constant, but different [#permalink]
let t=Albert's time to paint n rooms
Albert's rate=n/t
Bob's rate=n/(t-1)
Albert and Bob's rate=(3n/5)/(4/3)=9n/20
dividing out n, 1/t+1/(t-1)=9/20
t=5 hours
3t=15 hours
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Albert and Bob are painting rooms at constant, but different [#permalink]
Sourabh2012 wrote:
Albert and Bob are painting rooms at constant, but different rates. Albert takes 1 hour longer than Bob to paint n rooms. Working side by side, they can paint a total of 3n/5 rooms in 4/3 hours. How many hours would it take Albert to paint 3n rooms by himself?

A. 7
B. 9
C. 11
D.13
E. 15


let n=1
A's rate=1/t+1
B's rate=1/t
A+B rate=(3/5)/(4/3)=9/20
because the ratio of A's rate to B's rate=t/t+1,
assume A's rate to B's rate=(4/20)/(5/20)
20/4=5 hours
3*5=15 hours
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Sourabh2012 wrote:
Albert and Bob are painting rooms at constant, but different rates. Albert takes 1 hour longer than Bob to paint n rooms. Working side by side, they can paint a total of 3n/5 rooms in 4/3 hours. How many hours would it take Albert to paint 3n rooms by himself?

A. 7
B. 9
C. 11
D.13
E. 15


We can let b = the number of hours Bob takes to paint n rooms; thus, Bob’s rate = n/b and Albert’s rate = n/(b + 1). Knowing that they complete 3n/5 rooms in 4/3 hours, we can create the following equation:

(n/b)(4/3) + [n/(b + 1)](4/3) = 3n/5

4n/3b + 4n/[3(b + 1)] = 3n/5

Multiplying the entire equation by 3b x 5 x (b + 1) = 15b(b + 1), we have:

4n[5(b + 1)] + 4n(5b) = 3n[3b(b + 1)]

Dividing by n, we have:

20(b + 1) + 20b = 9b(b + 1)

20b + 20 + 20b = 9b^2 + 9b

9b^2 - 31b - 20 = 0

(9b + 5)(b - 4) = 0

b = -5/9 or b = 4

Since b can’t be negative, b = 4. Thus, it takes Albert 4 + 1 = 5 hours to paint n rooms and 5 x 3 = 15 hours to paint 3n rooms.

Answer: E
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