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What is the remainder when the positive integer x is divided by 8?

1. when x is divided by 12, the remainder is 5.
2. when x is divided by 18, the remainder is 7.


is it C or E ?

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Re: ds:remainder [#permalink] New post   29 Oct 2008, 03:34
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From stmt1: x = 12a + 5 for a = 0,1,2,3,4,......
From stmt2: x = 18b + 7 for b = 0,1,2,3,......

Combining two, 12a + 5 = 18b + 7, or 12a = 18b + 2 or, 6a = 9b + 1
or, a = (9b+1)/(2*3)

Thus, in order for a to be an integer, 9b+1 should have 2 and 3 as its factors. But, that will never be possible as if any number n has a set of factors, these will not be the factors of (n+1). Accordingly, 9b has 3 as the factor, hence 9b+1 will not have 3 as the factor and accordingly, a will not be an integer.

Hence, even after combining stmt1 and stmt2, we will not get a common number.. Hence, insufficient.
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Re: ds:remainder [#permalink] New post   29 Oct 2008, 06:36
scthakur wrote:
Thus, in order for a to be an integer, 9b+1 should have 2 and 3 as its factors. But, that will never be possible as if any number n has a set of factors, these will not be the factors of (n+1). Accordingly, 9b has 3 as the factor, hence 9b+1 will not have 3 as the factor and accordingly, a will not be an integer.


Thanks scthakur .... I really never know this property .......... +1!
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Re: ds:remainder [#permalink] New post   29 Oct 2008, 09:25
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What is the remainder when the positive integer x is divided by 8?

1. when x is divided by 12, the remainder is 5.
2. when x is divided by 18, the remainder is 7.


is it C or E ?

cheers


Seem the question is wrong (or misleading) because any integer, x, when divided by 12 has reminder 5 cannot have reminder 7 when the same integer is divided by 18. the reminder could be 5 or 11 or 17. none can be reminder when x is divided by 18.

so this is a flawed question.
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Re: ds:remainder [#permalink] New post   29 Oct 2008, 09:42
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Seem the question is wrong (or misleading) because any integer, x, when divided by 12 has reminder 5 cannot have reminder 7 when the same integer is divided by 18. the reminder could be 5 or 11 or 17. none can be reminder when x is divided by 18.

so this is a flawed question.


Can you explain a bit more :( I seem to get the point but only partially .....
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Re: ds:remainder [#permalink] New post   29 Oct 2008, 13:00
amitdgr wrote:
GMAT TIGER wrote:
Seem the question is wrong (or misleading) because any integer, x, when divided by 12 has reminder 5 cannot have reminder 7 when the same integer is divided by 18. the reminder could be 5 or 11 or 17. none can be reminder when x is divided by 18.

so this is a flawed question.


Can you explain a bit more :( I seem to get the point but only partially .....


I meant to say X cannot have 2 values. As per the statements 1 and 2, x has 2 values and thats, as per GMAT standard, is substandard.

You do not get such questions in real test.
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Re: ds:remainder [#permalink] New post   29 Oct 2008, 22:38
GMAT TIGER wrote:
domleon wrote:
guys

What is the remainder when the positive integer x is divided by 8?

1. when x is divided by 12, the remainder is 5.
2. when x is divided by 18, the remainder is 7.


is it C or E ?

cheers


Seem the question is wrong (or misleading) because any integer, x, when divided by 12 has reminder 5 cannot have reminder 7 when the same integer is divided by 18. the reminder could be 5 or 11 or 17. none can be reminder when x is divided by 18.

so this is a flawed question.



GT, what you say is right only when x is common between stmt1 and stmt2. But, if x is not common between stmt1 and stmt2, then what you say may not be true.
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Re: ds:remainder [#permalink] New post   30 Oct 2008, 14:14
scthakur wrote:
GMAT TIGER wrote:
domleon wrote:
guys

What is the remainder when the positive integer x is divided by 8?

1. when x is divided by 12, the remainder is 5.
2. when x is divided by 18, the remainder is 7.


is it C or E ?

cheers


Seem the question is wrong (or misleading) because any integer, x, when divided by 12 has reminder 5 cannot have reminder 7 when the same integer is divided by 18. the reminder could be 5 or 11 or 17. none can be reminder when x is divided by 18.

so this is a flawed question.



GT, what you say is right only when x is common between stmt1 and stmt2. But, if x is not common between stmt1 and stmt2, then what you say may not be true.


I said this only in the context of this question. But if x is not common between stmt1 and stmt2, then what I said is also true cuz I have not said anything when the scenerio changes. :wink:
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Re: ds:remainder [#permalink] New post   30 Oct 2008, 22:36
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I said this only in the context of this question. But if x is not common between stmt1 and stmt2, then what I said is also true cuz I have not said anything when the scenerio changes. :wink:


Well, even in the context of this question,
stmt1 gives x = 5,17, 29, .....
stmt2 gives x = 7, 25, 43, ......

and the question is independently giving values of x in statement 1 and in statement 2. Why should the two statements provide a common value (if this is what you meant)?



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