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269. During the Renaissance, scholars were uncertain as to the location of Troy, and by the eighteenth century many historians doubted that Troy had ever existed.
(A) doubted that Troy had ever existed
(B) doubt that Troy has ever existed
(C) were in doubt as to the existence of Troy
(D) were doubtful concerning Troy’s existence
(E) had doubts about Troy’s ever existing

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During the Renaissance, scholars were uncertain as to the location of Troy, and by the eighteenth century many historians doubted that Troy had ever existed.
(A) doubted that Troy had ever existed
(B) doubt that Troy has ever existed
(C) were in doubt as to the existence of Troy
(D) were doubtful concerning Troy’s existence
(E) had doubts about Troy’s ever existing


by the 18th century many historians...(action completed in the past=simple past tense)

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269. During the Renaissance, scholars were uncertain as to the location of Troy, and by the eighteenth century many historians doubted that Troy had ever existed.
(A) doubted that Troy had ever existed
(B) doubt that Troy has ever existed
(C) were in doubt as to the existence of Troy
(D) were doubtful concerning Troy’s existence
(E) had doubts about Troy’s ever existing

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C is parallel with the main clause.
"were in doubt" // "were uncertain"
"as to the existence of Troy" // "as to the location of Troy"
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During the Renaissance, scholars were uncertain as to the location of Troy, and by the eighteenth century many historians doubted that Troy had ever existed.
(A) doubted that Troy had ever existed
(B) doubt that Troy has ever existed
(C) were in doubt as to the existence of Troy
(D) were doubtful concerning Troy’s existence
(E) had doubts about Troy’s ever existing


by the 18th century many historians...(action completed in the past=simple past tense)

A


another vote for A.
IMO, we shouldn't be looking for parallelism between the two sections here. One talks about "scholars were uncertain" and the second "historians doubted"... Also, both the choices which look parallel, C& D sound wordy to me when compared with original which doesn't seem to have any grammatical errors..

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COuld anyone explain what role of "as" in the first clause play?

I think it is used for comparison, if so, we also need "as" for the second clause because otherwise, nothing is compared. => C.
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parallelism is being tested, IMO D

were uncertain.... were doubtful -parallel
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During the Renaissance, scholars were uncertain as to the location of Troy, and by the eighteenth century many historians doubted that Troy had ever existed.

These statements indicate two different tenses in the past.
During... and by... do not require the same verb tenses.
What we are concerned with is the second independent clause. This clause is as simple as it gets for past tense-an action completed in the past tense.

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Why past perfect usage is correct in the sentence??

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IMO D,
I do not see any past perfect in that sentence,
If you choose D, you will avoid using past perfect in the sentence.
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a time frame can also be used as a reference point while using perfect tenses. ‘by the 18th century’ is there later chronological event. Hence, A is correct, B uses present tense. C wrongly uses ‘as to’ and does fake parallelism with the earlier main clause. What must be understood here is that the clauses are not logically linked to each other. It’s like saying my dogs loves ice cream and I am good at cricket. Grammatically correct. ( this is so because ‘during’ and ‘by the 18th century’ are 2 different time lines). You can be doubtful about some thing. Not doubtful about concerning something. Besides, the verb form existed is preferred over the noun form ‘existence’. With E the placement of ‘had’ is a problem.

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I changed my mind, I believe A is the correct answer!
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IMO A. I feel it should be doubt that

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269. During the Renaissance, scholars were uncertain as to the location of Troy, and by the eighteenth century many historians doubted that Troy had ever existed.
(A) doubted that Troy had ever existed
(B) doubt that Troy has ever existed
(C) were in doubt as to the existence of Troy
(D) were doubtful concerning Troy’s existence
(E) had doubts about Troy’s ever existing

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A. Correct: Active voice used and so is Past Perfect (had ever existed)
B. Incorrect: Past Perfect required (has ever existed)
C. Incorrect: Passive Voice. 'as to the existence' is awkward
D. Incorrect: Passive Voice.
E. Incorrect: 'had doubts about troy's ever existing' is awkward

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Good question.

I picked C but agree with explanations that A is correct

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I confirm that the OA is A.

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Two events in the past...requires past perfect!!! Hence A.
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A is the winner here.

Easier to eliminate other choices than finding the correct one on this one. :)

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During the Renaissance, scholars were uncertain as to the location of Troy, and by the eighteenth century many historians doubted that Troy had ever existed.

(A) doubted that Troy had ever existed
(B) doubt that Troy has ever existed
(C) were in doubt as to the existence of Troy
(D) were doubtful concerning Troy’s existence
(E) had doubts about Troy’s ever existing


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Again chose the right ans. first but considering //ism changed it to C
were uncertain as to the location
were in doubt as to the existence


how am I flawed over here?

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in this question the phrase " by the eighteenth century" introduces a time frame and is then followed by two related events
1. doubted
2. existed
Since a time frame is introduced by "by the 18th century" we need to use perfect tenses to show which event occurred earlier. doubted or existed

This is correctly conveyed by using "had existed" in A.
(A) doubted that Troy had ever existed

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During the Renaissance, scholars were uncertain as to the location of Troy, and by the eighteenth century many historians doubted that Troy had ever existed.
(A) doubted that Troy had ever existed
(B) doubt that Troy has ever existed
(C) were in doubt as to the existence of Troy
(D) were doubtful concerning Troy’s existence
(E) had doubts about Troy’s ever existing


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Again chose the right ans. first but considering //ism changed it to C
were uncertain as to the location
were in doubt as to the existence


how am I flawed over here?


were uncertain should not be parallel to were in doubt
who were uncertain?- schloars
who were in doubt?- historians
this story in in two different time frames by two different set of people;historians(during 18th century) and scholars(during Renaissance)
"HAD" Should be used in order to show that one event happened before another (no matter what came before-18th century or Renaissance)
past tense will make it "doubted"
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