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Is the point (x,y) in the fourth quadrant?
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Is the point (x,y) in the fourth quadrant)? (1) xy >0 (2) y > 0 I recently took a practice test with my iPhone software (GMAT Math ver 1.1) and got a question I don't altogether agree with. Can someone help me out here? The software says 1 alone is sufficient, but I think you need both. My reasoning is that x could be 2 and y=2, in that case, xy = 4 > 0. That would put the point in the 3rd quadrant while 2,2 would also fulfill that and put it in the 1st quad. Therefore 1 alone shouldn't be enough to be conclusive. thanks for any insights...
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Originally posted by Jones105 on 06 Oct 2009, 18:26.
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Jones105 wrote: I recently took a practice test with my iPhone software (GMAT Math ver 1.1) and got a question I don't altogether agree with. Can someone help me out here?
DS Question: Is the point (x,y) in the fourth quadrant)? 1) xy >0 2) y > 0
The software says 1 alone is sufficient, but I think you need both. My reasoning is that x could be 2 and y=2, in that case, xy = 4 > 0. That would put the point in the 3rd quadrant while 2,2 would also fulfill that and put it in the 1st quad. Therefore 1 alone shouldn't be enough to be conclusive.
thanks for any insights... Is the point (x,y) in the fourth quadrant)?This is yes/no DS problem. In the 4th quadrant y is negative and x is positive, so xy < 0. (1) xy > 0 > x and y have the same signs > the point is either in I or III in quadrant, so you can answer the question "Is the point (x,y) in the fourth quadrant"  NO. Sufficient. (2) y > 0 > the point is either in I or in II quadrant. Again Sufficient to answer the question: No it's not in 4th quadrant. Sufficient Answer: D. Does your software say the answer is A? If so it's not right. Answer is D each alone is sufficient.
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Re: Is the point (x,y) in the fourth quadrant?
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06 Oct 2009, 18:49
D.
1) x and y, both either negative or positive. Sufficient. 2) y is positive, that means, (x,y) either can be in first or second quadrant. Sufficient.
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06 Oct 2009, 19:37
Ahh, I missed the trees for the forest.
You're right, being in 1 or 3 would in fact negate the possibility of being in 4. I was thinking in terms of, is it sufficient to determine what quadrant it's in.
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06 Oct 2009, 19:45
Yes, the software says 1 alone is sufficient. So it does appear to be wrong.
However, this brings up another question. What happens when x or y = 0? What quadrant does that put it in? Both? Neither?



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Thanks! Let me look into this.
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06 Oct 2009, 20:12
Jones105 wrote: Muchas Gracias! De nada! Jones105 wrote: However, this brings up another question. What happens when x or y = 0? What quadrant does that put it in? Both? Neither? Neither, it is 'Origin' and not lie in any quadrant, but lies on the X and Y axis itself.



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07 Oct 2009, 00:48
Yes, there is an error. I guess we'll have to change S2 to 2) \(y \lt 0\) We won't have the problem then. What do you guys think? Sorry about the error.
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07 Oct 2009, 05:25
Ahh, so the developers of the software hang out at gmatclub, eh? Surely, I'll be receiving some major kudos for spotting a bug in the software...



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Thank you for spotting it. You got a Kudos from me. +1. Jones105 wrote: Ahh, so the developers of the software hang out at gmatclub, eh? Surely, I'll be receiving some major kudos for spotting a bug in the software...
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07 Oct 2009, 06:13
Thanks! If I have any other questions as I use the software, should I PM you, or start a new thread somewhere? I'm sure most of the time it will just be my oversights.



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Feel free to PM me or BB regarding this software. Thank you. Jones105 wrote: Thanks! If I have any other questions as I use the software, should I PM you, or start a new thread somewhere? I'm sure most of the time it will just be my oversights.
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07 Oct 2009, 19:15
Jones105 wrote: I recently took a practice test with my iPhone software (GMAT Math ver 1.1) and got a question I don't altogether agree with. Can someone help me out here?
DS Question: Is the point (x,y) in the fourth quadrant)? 1) xy >0 2) y > 0
The software says 1 alone is sufficient, but I think you need both. My reasoning is that x could be 2 and y=2, in that case, xy = 4 > 0. That would put the point in the 3rd quadrant while 2,2 would also fulfill that and put it in the 1st quad. Therefore 1 alone shouldn't be enough to be conclusive.
thanks for any insights... Jones  can you tell me the question number in the GMAT Club App? I am not able to locate this question  are you sure it is from our Application?
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I also looked through the Veritas app  can't find it there either...
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Hah, I guess before we all get carried away, we should probably make sure we're talking about the same software, eh? As I said above, I'm using GMAT MATH version 1.1 by Indriam Inc. I just searched the app Store (I'm in Japan using a US account) for "gmat math" and it was the second result, labeled as GMAT Math Review for $2.99 by Indriam Inc. I took the mini Test (19 questions) and it was question number 17 in that test, but I'm guessing it's different each time? So, are talking about the same software?



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Jones105 wrote: Hah, I guess before we all get carried away, we should probably make sure we're talking about the same software, eh? As I said above, I'm using GMAT MATH version 1.1 by Indriam Inc. I just searched the app Store (I'm in Japan using a US account) for "gmat math" and it was the second result, labeled as GMAT Math Review for $2.99 by Indriam Inc. I took the mini Test (19 questions) and it was question number 17 in that test, but I'm guessing it's different each time? So, are talking about the same software? I guess not Too funny  we have a gmat club app (not sure if it is available for sale in japan) gmatclubappleappforipodiphone81492.htmlI assumed this was a reference to the GMAT Club app, though you never really stated that it was. My bad
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Jones105 wrote: I recently took a practice test with my iPhone software (GMAT Math ver 1.1) and got a question I don't altogether agree with. Can someone help me out here?
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thanks for any insights... Hmm, your above posts got me intrigued and I've done some more research. I did find the GMAT Club software on the app store (and just purchased it) but my post was never intended to reference that app. Perhaps "GMAT Math" software on the iphone is too generic a term. Sorry for any trouble!



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Jones105 wrote: Jones105 wrote: I recently took a practice test with my iPhone software (GMAT Math ver 1.1) and got a question I don't altogether agree with. Can someone help me out here?
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thanks for any insights... Hmm, your above posts got me intrigued and I've done some more research. I did find the GMAT Club software on the app store (and just purchased it) but my post was never intended to reference that app. Perhaps "GMAT Math" software on the iphone is too generic a term. Sorry for any trouble! No worries at all  any feedback about the app is welcome!
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I know this is an old post but is anyone still having issues with this app?



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Is the point (x,y) in the fourth quadrant)?
In the fourth quadrant x is positive and y is ve.
1) xy >0
x and y have same sign so not in Quadrant 4. Sufficient.
2) y > 0 y is in either first or second quadrant, but not in fourth quadrant.
Sufficient.
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