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Other than the OG and Manhattan Prep, What else?

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20 Aug 2017, 07:24
Hi, I have almost finished working through the whole series of Manhattan Prep, I want to practice a bit more before moving to OG. Which book(s) would you recommend?

My most problematic area is sentence correction - English is not my native language.

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20 Aug 2017, 09:08
Hm... That's odd since the mgmat guides are designed to be used with the OG. They don't have a ton of practice questions in those books so they rely on the additional questions from the OG.

You can always get the mgmat verbal foundations.... But you should start working on the OG in tandem with the mgmat guides.

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20 Aug 2017, 11:31
Hi gempony

Have you taken any FULL-LENGTH practice CATs yet? If you have, then how did you score (including the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores)? If you have not, then you should plan to take one soon. Before I can offer you the specific advice that you’re looking for, it would help if you could provide a bit more information on how you've been studying and your goals:

Studies:
1) How long have you studied?

Goals:
4) What is your goal score?
5) When are you planning to take the GMAT?
6) When are you planning to apply to Business School?
7) What Schools are you planning to apply to?

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20 Aug 2017, 19:04
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Hm... That's odd since the mgmat guides are designed to be used with the OG. They don't have a ton of practice questions in those books so they rely on the additional questions from the OG.

You can always get the mgmat verbal foundations.... But you should start working on the OG in tandem with the mgmat guides.

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Oh ok! I should start working on OG then. I have finished all Manhattan prep verbal books. Just want to get enough practice so that I wouldn't feel frustrated when I start attempting the OG questions. Thanks!:)
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20 Aug 2017, 19:16
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Hi gempony

Have you taken any FULL-LENGTH practice CATs yet?No i have not. Looks like I should really do that as soon as possible. But I want to get a feel of what the questions are like from Manhattan Gmat Prep before doing any practice test. I don't want to be too upset if I fail miserably in the practice test. I have almost finished studying all Manhattan Prep books; I will do the test once I have completed them all. If you have, then how did you score (including the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores)? If you have not, then you should plan to take one soon. Before I can offer you the specific advice that you’re looking for, it would help if you could provide a bit more information on how you've been studying and your goals:

Studies:
1) How long have you studied? I have started my study just two weeks ago.

Goals:
4) What is your goal score? My goal score is 750 or above
5) When are you planning to take the GMAT?I don't have a specific timeline. I would only take the test when I m ready to reach my target score
6) When are you planning to apply to Business School?Within 2 years; if I get my target score earlier, the sooner I will apply
7) What Schools are you planning to apply to? LBS, Columbia, Wharton, Insead, Chicago Booth

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Hi Rich,

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20 Aug 2017, 22:48
Hi gempony,

That initial diagnostic CAT is important - it helps to define your strengths and weaknesses and gives you a basis for comparison as you continue to study. Most Test Takers are not happy with that first CAT result, but that's not a big deal - the extra months of available study time are there so that you can IMPROVE on this initial practice result. Once you've taken that CAT, you should report back with your scores and we can discuss how best to proceed.

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21 Aug 2017, 07:28
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Hi, I have almost finished working through the whole series of Manhattan Prep, I want to practice a bit more before moving to OG. Which book(s) would you recommend?

My most problematic area is sentence correction - English is not my native language.

Thank you!
Look at the OG as something that will help you get better, and not just as a bunch of questions. Both the questions and explanations will help you learn what the GMAT tests, and you can choose to start with the easy questions before moving on to the medium and hard sets if that helps.
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21 Aug 2017, 23:08
EMPOWERgmatRichC wrote:
Hi gempony,

That initial diagnostic CAT is important - it helps to define your strengths and weaknesses and gives you a basis for comparison as you continue to study. Most Test Takers are not happy with that first CAT result, but that's not a big deal - the extra months of available study time are there so that you can IMPROVE on this initial practice result. Once you've taken that CAT, you should report back with your scores and we can discuss how best to proceed.

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Ok. Sounds reasonable. I will do the test during weekend and report back my score
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23 Aug 2017, 09:08
EMPOWERgmatRichC wrote:
Hi gempony,

That initial diagnostic CAT is important - it helps to define your strengths and weaknesses and gives you a basis for comparison as you continue to study. Most Test Takers are not happy with that first CAT result, but that's not a big deal - the extra months of available study time are there so that you can IMPROVE on this initial practice result. Once you've taken that CAT, you should report back with your scores and we can discuss how best to proceed.

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Took some time today to finish the diagnostic test in OG 2018. Please see my results attached. I found Problem Solving much harder than those in Manhattan prep. Looks like I have to spend more time to work on that.
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23 Aug 2017, 11:56
Hi gempony,

CAT refers to Computer-Adaptive Test, so when I mentioned taking that first CAT, I was actually referring to one of the Official GMAC practice CATs (not the pencil-and-paper OG test). You can download 2 CATs for free from www.mba.com (and they come with some additional practice materials). Unfortunately, that paper test isn't a great way to realistically measure how you might score on the Official GMAT, so you'll still need to take a CAT (so that we can properly assess your current skills, strengths and weaknesses).

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23 Aug 2017, 19:22
EMPOWERgmatRichC wrote:
Hi gempony,

CAT refers to Computer-Adaptive Test, so when I mentioned taking that first CAT, I was actually referring to one of the Official GMAC practice CATs (not the pencil-and-paper OG test). You can download 2 CATs for free from http://www.mba.com (and they come with some additional practice materials). Unfortunately, that paper test isn't a great way to realistically measure how you might score on the Official GMAT, so you'll still need to take a CAT (so that we can properly assess your current skills, strengths and weaknesses).

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Is this the test you mentioned?

Thanks!

Regards,
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23 Aug 2017, 21:17
Hi Gem,

YES - those are the free practice CATs that I was referring to. You should take just one and make sure to take the FULL CAT (all sections in one sitting).

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27 Aug 2017, 09:14
EMPOWERgmatRichC wrote:
Hi Gem,

YES - those are the free practice CATs that I was referring to. You should take just one and make sure to take the FULL CAT (all sections in one sitting).

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Hi Rich,

I have just completed my first practice CAT. Not that impressive. Need to improve by 100 points to get to where I want to be.

This is a good practice and I have come across some question formats which I have not seen before.

My goal is to improve by 50 points by end of sept.

Any suggestions, please let me know.

Thanks!

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27 Aug 2017, 15:09
Hi Gem,

A 650 is actually a fantastic initial CAT Score (the average score on the Official GMAT hovers around 540-550 most years). Assuming that you took this CAT in a realistic fashion, then you are a naturally strong critical thinker - and while you will have to do some work to hit 700+, you are closer to that level than you probably realize. The next step would be to do a full review of this CAT, with the goal of trying to define WHY you got questions wrong.

After reviewing each section, how many questions did you get wrong....
1) Because of a silly/little mistake?
2) Because there was some math/verbal that you just could not remember how to do?
3) Because the question was too hard?
4) Because you were low on time and had to guess?

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30 Aug 2017, 19:14
EMPOWERgmatRichC wrote:
Hi Gem,

A 650 is actually a fantastic initial CAT Score (the average score on the Official GMAT hovers around 540-550 most years). Assuming that you took this CAT in a realistic fashion, then you are a naturally strong critical thinker - and while you will have to do some work to hit 700+, you are closer to that level than you probably realize. The next step would be to do a full review of this CAT, with the goal of trying to define WHY you got questions wrong.

After reviewing each section, how many questions did you get wrong....
1) Because of a silly/little mistake?
2) Because there was some math/verbal that you just could not remember how to do?
3) Because the question was too hard?
4) Because you were low on time and had to guess?

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Rich

Thanks Rich.

Having reviewed some of my wrong answers for quant, I found that most of them are wrong because I could not remember how to do or I was low on time. I thought I worked really fast but it was still not fast enough obviously.

As for verbal, I think it is because the articles were hard and many of the options provided looked similar and therefore it was hard to judge which one was right.

Integrated reasoning section was a drag to my overall score probably - the test format for me is brand new and I must have misunderstood many of the questions.
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31 Aug 2017, 11:39
Hi Gem,

Integrated Reasoning is a separate Score (from 1-8) and has no effect on your score out of 800 (that Score is from the Quant and Verbal sections only). You might be able to pick up some of the missing points that you're after just by practicing some more (and becoming more familiar with the question types, patterns, etc.). For a 750+ though, you really need to know all of the content and all of the major patterns (and it helps to know all of the little 'secrets' to the Test too).... and then you have to eliminate all the little mistakes from your work. This is meant to say that you might find it beneficial to invest in a GMAT Course of some type. Based on your timeline, you don't have to decide on that just yet though.

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