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The category 1 to 5 rating known as the Saffir-Simpson

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The category 1 to 5 rating known as the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale provides an estimate of a hurricane’s potential of destroying or damaging property, and is primarily determined from wind speed; a category 5 storm has wind speeds so high as to blow away small buildings, completely destroy mobile homes, and cause severe window and door damage.

A) of destroying or damaging property, and is primarily determined from wind speed; a category 5 storm has wind speeds so high as
B) to destroy or damage property, and is primarily determined from wind speed; a category 5 storm has wind speeds high enough
C) of destroying or damaging property, and is primarily determined by wind speed; a category 5 storm has wind speeds so high as
D) to destroy or damage property, and is primarily determined by wind speed; a category 5 storm has wind speeds high enough
E) to destroy or damage property, and is primarily determined by wind speed; a category 5 storm has wind speeds so high as

Please explain the flaws in D and E.

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New post 11 Aug 2008, 19:28
I think B is the answer. So to find the flaws in D & E:

D. The only difference between B and D is "determined from wind speed" vs. "determined by wind speed". The meanings are actually quite different. Since the Olympics are currently taking place, I'll use an example pertaining to the Olympics.

"The diver's score is determined by a panel of 3 judges."
"The diver's score is determined from a list of technical requirements."

The first sentence, the judges make the determinations, or do the determining. In the second sentence, the list of technical requirements is used to determine the score. Does this example help make the distinction clear? I'm not 100% sure it does.

As for E.

I don't like the use of "so high as". I'm sorry that I can't state a clear reason for disliking it. It kind of sounds redundant, although that may not be correct. Sorry :(

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The category 1 to 5 rating known as the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale provides an estimate of a hurricane’s potential of destroying or damaging property, and is primarily determined from wind speed; a category 5 storm has wind speeds so high as to blow away small buildings, completely destroy mobile homes, and cause severe window and door damage.

A) of destroying or damaging property, and is primarily determined from wind speed; a category 5 storm has wind speeds so high as
B) to destroy or damage property, and is primarily determined from wind speed; a category 5 storm has wind speeds high enough
C) of destroying or damaging property, and is primarily determined by wind speed; a category 5 storm has wind speeds so high as
D) to destroy or damage property, and is primarily determined by wind speed; a category 5 storm has wind speeds high enough
E) to destroy or damage property, and is primarily determined by wind speed; a category 5 storm has wind speeds so high as

Please explain the flaws in D and E.

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The category 1 to 5 rating known as the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale provides an estimate of a hurricane’s potential of destroying or damaging property, and is primarily determined from wind speed; a category 5 storm has wind speeds so high as to blow away small buildings, completely destroy mobile homes, and cause severe window and door damage.

A) of destroying or damaging property, and is primarily determined from wind speed; a category 5 storm has wind speeds so high as
B) to destroy or damage property, and is primarily determined from wind speed; a category 5 storm has wind speeds high enough
C) of destroying or damaging property, and is primarily determined by wind speed; a category 5 storm has wind speeds so high as
D) to destroy or damage property, and is primarily determined by wind speed; a category 5 storm has wind speeds high enough
E) to destroy or damage property, and is primarily determined by wind speed; a category 5 storm has wind speeds so high as

Please explain the flaws in D and E.


IMO B)

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I Prefer to go with D.

A) of destroying or damaging property, and is primarily determined from wind speed; a category 5 storm has wind speeds so high as
Wrong idioms. correct idiom is "as high as"

B) to destroy or damage property, and is primarily determined from wind speed; a category 5 storm has wind speeds high enough
"Determined from" is wrong

C) of destroying or damaging property, and is primarily determined by wind speed; a category 5 storm has wind speeds so high as
Wrong idioms. correct idiom is "as high as"

D) to destroy or damage property, and is primarily determined by wind speed; a category 5 storm has wind speeds high enough
E) to destroy or damage property, and is primarily determined by wind speed; a category 5 storm has wind speeds so high as
Wrong idioms. correct idiom is "as high as"

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I think that the correct answer is D. A,C and E are wrong because the corect idiom is "as high as", so "so high as" is wrong. Between B and D: we have "determined from" vs "determined by". The correct idiom is "determined by", so D is ok.

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New post 12 Aug 2008, 05:42
vbalex,

you're right. The correct idiom is "determimed by". I just looked it up in my Manhattan SC Guide. I was thinking there was a difference in usage of "determined from" and "determined by" and there doesn't appear to be. +1 for you.
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The OA is D.

The issue here I think was between D. "wind speeds high enough" - used when X is the criteria by which an ability to measure Y is measured

E) "so high as" = indicates characteristic X is so extreme that y results.

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“Determined by” is right; “determined from” is wrong
“so high as to” is preferred over “high enough to”, because “so high as to” means the storm is EXTREMELY high to cause those damages.
“Potential of” is better than “potential to”.

A) of destroying or damaging property, and is primarily determined from wind speed; a category 5 storm has wind speeds so high as
-- WRONG: “determined from” is wrong, “so high as” is wrong.

B) to destroy or damage property, and is primarily determined from wind speed; a category 5 storm has wind speeds high enough
-- WRONG: “determined from” is wrong

C) of destroying or damaging property, and is primarily determined by wind speed; a category 5 storm has wind speeds so high as
*** BEST ANSWER

D) to destroy or damage property, and is primarily determined by wind speed; a category 5 storm has wind speeds high enough
-- WRONG: “high enough” is not as good as “so high as”.

E) to destroy or damage property, and is primarily determined by wind speed; a category 5 storm has wind speeds so high as
*** WRONG: “to destroy” is not as good as “of destroying.

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B and D are good candidates.

Personally, B and D are passive and we are coordinating two sentences with different voices (First concern). However, D seems more intriguing since it employs correct idiom.

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jallenmorris wrote:
How is either of these choices passive?

hanumayamma wrote:
B and D are good candidates.

Personally, B and D are passive and we are coordinating two sentences with different voices (First concern). However, D seems more intriguing since it employs correct idiom.


Allen,
Split the setence D into two parts.

"The category 1 to 5" ..provides estimate....
and
The category 1 to 5" is determined by windspeed. (Doesn't this looks like passive voice..???)
Windspeed determines The category 1 to 5 (Active voice)
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to destroy or damage property, and is primarily determined by wind speed; a category 5 storm has wind speeds high enough


I agree that the middle "is primarily determined...." is passive, but that's just 1 section out of what I see as three different parts. I guess it take more than this for me to classify a sentence as passive. Maybe I'm wrong.
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why so high as to is wrong here?

I think the author means the wind speed is so extremely high to ...

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x97agarwal wrote:
The category 1 to 5 rating known as the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale provides an estimate of a hurricane’s potential of destroying or damaging property, and is primarily determined from wind speed; a category 5 storm has wind speeds so high as to blow away small buildings, completely destroy mobile homes, and cause severe window and door damage.

A) of destroying or damaging property, and is primarily determined from wind speed; a category 5 storm has wind speeds so high as
B) to destroy or damage property, and is primarily determined from wind speed; a category 5 storm has wind speeds high enough
C) of destroying or damaging property, and is primarily determined by wind speed; a category 5 storm has wind speeds so high as IMO
D) to destroy or damage property, and is primarily determined by wind speed; a category 5 storm has wind speeds high enough
E) to destroy or damage property, and is primarily determined by wind speed; a category 5 storm has wind speeds so high as

Please explain the flaws in D and E.

of destroying is correct usage ,A Vs C , determined by is correct
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