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Even though books about the Canadian wilderness portray grizzly bears as savage animals, roaring ferociously from the peaks of snow covered mountains, in reality they are playful and sociable and only attack if they or their cubs are threatened.

A) books about the Canadian wilderness portray grizzly bears as savage animals, roaring ferociously from the peaks of snow covered mountains,

B) in books about the Canadian wilderness portray grizzly bears as savage animals, roaring ferociously from the peaks of snow covered mountains,

C) grizzly bears are portrayed in books about the Canadian wilderness as savage animals, roaring ferociously from the peak tops of snow covered mountains,

D) books about the Canadian wilderness portray grizzly bears as if they were savage animals, roaring ferociously from the peak tops of snow covered mountains,

E) books about the Canadian wilderness portray grizzly bears to be savage animals, roaring ferociously from the peaks of snow covered mountains,

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Please kindly breakdown. Doesnt the ing modify the entire previous clause as well and not the immediate preceding subject?
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In C, "peak tops" is wrong - either use "peaks" or use "tops".

However option A has problem as well. Ideally "grizzly bears" should have been the subject the first clause, because the pronoun "they" referring to "grizzly bears" is the subject of the second clause. (If a pronoun that is the subject of a clause has two possible antecedents, one of which is the subject of another clause within the sentence, the pronoun would, by virtue of parallelism, unambiguously refer to the subject antecedent.)

C would be the best answer, if "peaks" instead of "peak tops" were used.
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Even though books about the Canadian wilderness portray grizzly bears as savage animals, roaring ferociously from the peaks of snow covered mountains, in reality they are playful and sociable and only attack if they or their cubs are threatened.

A) books about the Canadian wilderness portray grizzly bears as savage animals, roaring ferociously from the peaks of snow covered mountains,

B) in books about the Canadian wilderness portray grizzly bears as savage animals, roaring ferociously from the peaks of snow covered mountains,

C) grizzly bears are portrayed in books about the Canadian wilderness as savage animals, roaring ferociously from the peak tops of snow covered mountains,

D) books about the Canadian wilderness portray grizzly bears as if they were savage animals, roaring ferociously from the peak tops of snow covered mountains,

E) books about the Canadian wilderness portray grizzly bears to be savage animals, roaring ferociously from the peaks of snow covered mountains,

Option A is correct ,since the roaring ferocioulsy is refering to the savage animals,the modifier ing can modify both the noun before the comma or the phrase.



No I am not convinced with your reasoning
an v-ing modifier can work both as an adjective and an adverb.
but there is a small difference
when v-ing is preceded by comma (i.e ,+ ving) then it cannot modify the preceding noun, instead it modifies the whole clause
but ving if not preceded by comma then it must modify the preceding noun and works as an adjective
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i chose c as books can't roar itself so the subject should be grizzly bears .


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Exactly my reasoning and initial answer. Perhaps they got it wrong?


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Shouldn't the 'They' in second clause refer to Grizzly bears. In A, they in referring to books. I don't think OA is correct. Please suggest!!
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The comma+ing adverbial modifier namely 'roaring' modifies just not the books in the context but the books' portrayal of the animals as the savage ones. Let us appreciate that roaring is not an adjectival modifier.
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The comma+ing adverbial modifier namely 'roaring' modifies just not the books in the context but the books' portrayal of the animals as the savage ones. Let us appreciate that roaring is not an adjectival modifier.


So, does that mean they could refer to animals here? and Why not Grizzly bears?
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Yes. 'They' does refer to the bears. Logically, it does not matter whether 'they' refers to the bears or the animals as long as that plural word is not taken to refer to the books just because that is an another plural word.
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Yes. 'They' does refer to the bears. Logically, it does not matter whether 'they' refers to the bears or the animals as long as that plural word is not taken to refer to the books just because that is an another plural word.


Thanks daagh Sir, now I got your point. :)
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Even though books about the Canadian wilderness portray grizzly bears as savage animals, roaring ferociously from the peaks of snow covered mountains, in reality they are playful and sociable and only attack if they or their cubs are threatened.

A) books about the Canadian wilderness portray grizzly bears as savage animals, roaring ferociously from the peaks of snow covered mountains,

B) in books about the Canadian wilderness portray grizzly bears as savage animals, roaring ferociously from the peaks of snow covered mountains,

C) grizzly bears are portrayed in books about the Canadian wilderness as savage animals, roaring ferociously from the peak tops of snow covered mountains,

D) books about the Canadian wilderness portray grizzly bears as if they were savage animals, roaring ferociously from the peak tops of snow covered mountains,

E) books about the Canadian wilderness portray grizzly bears to be savage animals, roaring ferociously from the peaks of snow covered mountains,

Option A is correct ,since the roaring ferocioulsy is refering to the savage animals,the modifier ing can modify both the noun before the comma or the phrase.


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Here is another possible reason as why C is wrong.In C it says that " grizzly bears are portrayed in books about the Canadian wilderness as savage animals"
So in C it looks like the boo is talking about all the canadian wilderness which are only savage animals.But the book is about canadian wilderness only.

I could be wrong but I think this is the reason that C slightly changes the meaning.
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We will get the correct perspective if we decide what or which is doing the act of roaring ferociously. If we attribute the adverbial modifier 'roaring' to the "books" and their portrayal, then the meaning is woefully absurd as in A , B ,D and E. One can't expect books portrayal to be roaring.
Whereas, in C, the act of roaring is being portrayed as done by the bears. That is why C is distinctly superior to all the others.
What still spoils the show even in C is the clumsy manner of writing one part in passive voice and the other in active voice.
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First, this is not one of ours! Manhattan Review is a different company, so I don't want to take credit for this one. ;)

I see two flaws in this question:

*The use of "even though" at the beginning isn't the best. We're saying that even though books portray them this way, grizzlies are still able to be sociable. This implies that grizzlies somehow manage to be sociable despite their portrayal in the media. We'd be better off with a more neutral contrast word, such as "while" or "although."

*Answer A shouldn't have a comma before "roaring." It's clearly meant to modify "bears," not the preceding clause/action, and we generally omit the comma for noun modifiers in -ing form unless we need to add a comma for clarity.

Disregarding those flaws, A is the best choice we have for the following reasons:

*There's nothing wrong with the use of "they" in A. Although it's true that when in doubt we assume that a pronoun refers back to the subject of the clause, there's no doubt here. No reasonable reader is going to be confused about whether books or bears are playful and sociable. This is definitely a non-issue.

*The use of the redundant "peak tops" in C is enough to make it wrong.

*The rearrangement in C is not really helpful. We don't need to make bears the subject, and to accomplish this, we've had to move the modifiers in a way that impedes the flow of ideas. The modifier "as savage animals" has been separated from the verb "portray" by two prepositional phrases. This isn't so much wrong as annoying and unnecessary. There may be sentences where that form is needed, but we don't need it here.
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Replying to a request from AR15J:

First, this is not one of ours! Manhattan Review is a different company, so I don't want to take credit for this one. ;)

I see two flaws in this question:

*The use of "even though" at the beginning isn't the best. We're saying that even though books portray them this way, grizzlies are still able to be sociable. This implies that grizzlies somehow manage to be sociable despite their portrayal in the media. We'd be better off with a more neutral contrast word, such as "while" or "although."

*Answer A shouldn't have a comma before "roaring." It's clearly meant to modify "bears," not the preceding clause/action, and we generally omit the comma for noun modifiers in -ing form unless we need to add a comma for clarity.

Disregarding those flaws, A is the best choice we have for the following reasons:

*There's nothing wrong with the use of "they" in A. Although it's true that when in doubt we assume that a pronoun refers back to the subject of the clause, there's no doubt here. No reasonable reader is going to be confused about whether books or bears are playful and sociable. This is definitely a non-issue.

*The use of the redundant "peak tops" in C is enough to make it wrong.

*The rearrangement in C is not really helpful. We don't need to make bears the subject, and to accomplish this, we've had to move the modifiers in a way that impedes the flow of ideas. The modifier "as savage animals" has been separated from the verb "portray" by two prepositional phrases. This isn't so much wrong as annoying and unnecessary. There may be sentences where that form is needed, but we don't need it here.



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I am not able to find any fault in option E. Experts please help.


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Even though books about the Canadian wilderness portray grizzly bears as savage animals, roaring ferociously from the peaks of snow covered mountains, in reality they are playful and sociable and only attack if they or their cubs are threatened.

A) books about the Canadian wilderness portray grizzly bears as savage animals, roaring ferociously from the peaks of snow covered mountains,

B) in books about the Canadian wilderness portray grizzly bears as savage animals, roaring ferociously from the peaks of snow covered mountains,

C) grizzly bears are portrayed in books about the Canadian wilderness as savage animals, roaring ferociously from the peak tops of snow covered mountains,

D) books about the Canadian wilderness portray grizzly bears as if they were savage animals, roaring ferociously from the peak tops of snow covered mountains,

E) books about the Canadian wilderness portray grizzly bears to be savage animals, roaring ferociously from the peaks of snow covered mountains,

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Please kindly breakdown. Doesnt the ing modify the entire previous clause as well and not the immediate preceding subject?


Agree that "A" is fine, but could not understand what is wrong with "C".
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