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No need for a matrix here - we just need to reverse the information in each statement. If, from Statement 1, 5/6 of students are American, wearing a blazer, or both, then the rest, or 1/6, are Europeans wearing sweaters. Similarly Statement 2 tells us that 2/5 of students are both American and wearing a blazer. So the answer is C.



Matrix may not be required in 50% cases. We can deduce the information without getting into matrix.
But it is always better for students to get used to 2 by 2 matrix and make one wherever possible to avoid unnecessary mistakes or miss out on some information.
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A lot of unknowns even after taking both statements. How is C correct ?
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IanStewart wrote:
No need for a matrix here - we just need to reverse the information in each statement. If, from Statement 1, 5/6 of students are American, wearing a blazer, or both, then the rest, or 1/6, are Europeans wearing sweaters. Similarly Statement 2 tells us that 2/5 of students are both American and wearing a blazer. So the answer is C.



Matrix may not be required in 50% cases. We can deduce the information without getting into matrix.
But it is always better for students to get used to 2 by 2 matrix and make one wherever possible to avoid unnecessary mistakes or miss out on some information.

chetan2u Can you please your original answer, the matrix you have mentioned is slightly misaligned I suppose!
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Matrix may not be required in 50% cases. We can deduce the information without getting into matrix.
But it is always better for students to get used to 2 by 2 matrix and make one wherever possible to avoid unnecessary mistakes or miss out on some information.


A matrix is never required, and I would never use one -- I'm replying only because I'm concerned some test takers who don't use matrices might think, reading this, that they need to learn them. There are better ways to do these kinds of problems.
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chetan2u wrote:
Matrix may not be required in 50% cases. We can deduce the information without getting into matrix.
But it is always better for students to get used to 2 by 2 matrix and make one wherever possible to avoid unnecessary mistakes or miss out on some information.


A matrix is never required, and I would never use one -- I'm replying only because I'm concerned some test takers who don't use matrices might think, reading this, that they need to learn them. There are better ways to do these kinds of problems.



I’ll too reply once and end it here as I too am worried for the students who are still trying to be at ease with such questions and may find a certain way suiting their needs.
‘Best way to do a question’ would change with perspective of each.
You may not find a method useful, while it may be helping thousands of students. Therefore, we should leave it to the judgement and skill of the members of the forum to understand what is best for them rather than imposing or negating a certain method.
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‘Best way to do a question’ would change with perspective of each.
You may not find a method useful, while it may be helping thousands of students. Therefore, we should leave it to the judgement and skill of the members of the forum to understand what is best for them rather than imposing or negating a certain method.


I'll just point out that this discussion started because you said "it is always better for students to get used to 2 by 2 matrix and make one wherever possible," and now you seem to be saying more or less the opposite. What you're saying now is closer to something I'd agree with. I only replied at all because I post on gmatclub only to help test takers, and people who might be using a method they find faster and more flexible than matrices might read your post and think they need to learn a matrix, and they don't (and shouldn't). For test takers comfortable with them, there are alternatives that answer a greater variety of questions, and answer those questions more quickly.
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I'll just point out that this discussion started because you said "it is always better for students to get used to 2 by 2 matrix and make one wherever possible," and now you seem to be saying more or less the opposite. What you're saying now is closer to something I'd agree with. I only replied at all because I post on gmatclub only to help test takers, and people who might be using a method they find faster and more flexible than matrices might read your post and think they need to learn a matrix, and they don't (and shouldn't). For test takers comfortable with them, there are alternatives that answer a greater variety of questions, and answer those questions more quickly.


Sorry, the discussion started because you wrote “matrix not required here”. I for one never wrote in the initial post that it is the best or the only way. I just solved it for a student.
You too gave a solution through a para that can actually and comfortably be derived from the 2 by 2 matrix too. If you have an alternative, you should give it here so that the students are helped and can choose between the alternatives.
Also, this discussion can continue until cows come home, so let’s end it here. We both have a common goal, that is to help students, and let us do it in our own ways.
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