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Bunuel wrote: Official Solution:
Is \(x5 \gt 4\)? Opening the absolute value we get the question: is \(x \lt 1\) or \(x \gt 9\)? (1) \(x^24 \gt 0\) and thus \(x^2 \gt 4\) therefore \(x \gt 2\) and we can deduct that \(x \lt 2\) or \(x \gt 2\), so we can have an YES answer as well as a NO answer (consider \(x=5\) and \(x=5\)). Not sufficient. (2) \(x^21 \lt 0\) thus \(x^2 \lt 1\) therefore \(x \lt 1\) and finally, \(1 \lt x \lt 1\). Sufficient.
Answer: B Hi Bunuel, I have a doubt in inequality with absolute value questions where we are asked to find if the given statement satisfies the two required inequalities for instance in the above question: we are required to find if \(x<1 or x >9\), so as per the Second statement we get \(1<x<1\) so is this sufficient to answer the question? Because \(x>9\) or not is still left unattended. SO what exactly is the approach in such questions? Regards



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earnit wrote: Bunuel wrote: Official Solution:
Is \(x5 \gt 4\)? Opening the absolute value we get the question: is \(x \lt 1\) or \(x \gt 9\)? (1) \(x^24 \gt 0\) and thus \(x^2 \gt 4\) therefore \(x \gt 2\) and we can deduct that \(x \lt 2\) or \(x \gt 2\), so we can have an YES answer as well as a NO answer (consider \(x=5\) and \(x=5\)). Not sufficient. (2) \(x^21 \lt 0\) thus \(x^2 \lt 1\) therefore \(x \lt 1\) and finally, \(1 \lt x \lt 1\). Sufficient.
Answer: B Hi Bunuel, I have a doubt in inequality with absolute value questions where we are asked to find if the given statement satisfies the two required inequalities for instance in the above question: we are required to find if \(x<1 or x >9\), so as per the Second statement we get \(1<x<1\) so is this sufficient to answer the question? Because \(x>9\) or not is still left unattended. SO what exactly is the approach in such questions? Regards The question asks whether x < 1 or x > 9 (those are two ranges which make x  5 > 4 to hold true). (2) says that 1 < x < 1, so x IS less than 1, and therefore x  5 > 4 to holds true.
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Bunuel wrote: earnit wrote: Bunuel wrote: Official Solution:
Is \(x5 \gt 4\)? Opening the absolute value we get the question: is \(x \lt 1\) or \(x \gt 9\)? (1) \(x^24 \gt 0\) and thus \(x^2 \gt 4\) therefore \(x \gt 2\) and we can deduct that \(x \lt 2\) or \(x \gt 2\), so we can have an YES answer as well as a NO answer (consider \(x=5\) and \(x=5\)). Not sufficient. (2) \(x^21 \lt 0\) thus \(x^2 \lt 1\) therefore \(x \lt 1\) and finally, \(1 \lt x \lt 1\). Sufficient.
Answer: B Hi Bunuel, I have a doubt in inequality with absolute value questions where we are asked to find if the given statement satisfies the two required inequalities for instance in the above question: we are required to find if \(x<1 or x >9\), so as per the Second statement we get \(1<x<1\) so is this sufficient to answer the question? Because \(x>9\) or not is still left unattended. SO what exactly is the approach in such questions? Regards The question asks whether x < 1 or x > 9 (those are two ranges which make x  5 > 4 to hold true). (2) says that 1 < x < 1, so x IS less than 1, and therefore x  5 > 4 to holds true. So as basically if either of the range is satisfied by the given statements conclusively, then we do not have to worry about the other range ie x>9 ?



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Got it. Thank you.
If possible, could we find similar questions with two ranges like above question and two statements that proves their sufficiency?



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While the Algebra approach is perfectly fine, I was just wondering whether a PlugIn approach (picking up numbers & then matching with the inequalities) could be used in such cases or not. Is it going to be more confusing or more time confusing than solving the three given inequalities?



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Bunuel wrote: Official Solution:
Is \(x5 \gt 4\)? Opening the absolute value we get the question: is \(x \lt 1\) or \(x \gt 9\)? (1) \(x^24 \gt 0\) and thus \(x^2 \gt 4\) therefore \(x \gt 2\) and we can deduct that \(x \lt 2\) or \(x \gt 2\), so we can have an YES answer as well as a NO answer (consider \(x=5\) and \(x=5\)). Not sufficient. (2) \(x^21 \lt 0\) thus \(x^2 \lt 1\) therefore \(x \lt 1\) and finally, \(1 \lt x \lt 1\). Sufficient.
Answer: B Dear Bunuel, I solved this question using algebra and got the question right. But there is a discrepancy in the result of x between your solution and mine. Please help me understand the difference X^24>0 can be written as (x2)(x+2)>0 therefore x>2 or X>2, But if I write mod X>2 then X>2 or X >2 ==> X<2 How can the same equation have two different solutions ? Thanks Teja



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evst wrote: Bunuel wrote: Official Solution:
Is \(x5 \gt 4\)? Opening the absolute value we get the question: is \(x \lt 1\) or \(x \gt 9\)? (1) \(x^24 \gt 0\) and thus \(x^2 \gt 4\) therefore \(x \gt 2\) and we can deduct that \(x \lt 2\) or \(x \gt 2\), so we can have an YES answer as well as a NO answer (consider \(x=5\) and \(x=5\)). Not sufficient. (2) \(x^21 \lt 0\) thus \(x^2 \lt 1\) therefore \(x \lt 1\) and finally, \(1 \lt x \lt 1\). Sufficient.
Answer: B Dear Bunuel, I solved this question using algebra and got the question right. But there is a discrepancy in the result of x between your solution and mine. Please help me understand the difference X^24>0 can be written as (x2)(x+2)>0 therefore x>2 or X>2,But if I write mod X>2 then X>2 or X >2 ==> X<2 How can the same equation have two different solutions ? Thanks Teja How did you get x>2 or x>2? It does not make sense.
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Bunuel wrote: Official Solution:
Is \(x5 \gt 4\)? Opening the absolute value we get the question: is \(x \lt 1\) or \(x \gt 9\)?
Can you explain "opening the absolute value"? I get what you mean in the end result as I can see if you add 5 to the other side you get 9 and if you subtract 5 you get 1 (how'd it become a positive 1?). But how did you know which one to flip the sign on? I imagine this is much easier done than said.
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redfield wrote: Bunuel wrote: Official Solution:
Is \(x5 \gt 4\)? Opening the absolute value we get the question: is \(x \lt 1\) or \(x \gt 9\)?
Can you explain "opening the absolute value"? I get what you mean in the end result as I can see if you add 5 to the other side you get 9 and if you subtract 5 you get 1 (how'd it become a positive 1?). But how did you know which one to flip the sign on? I imagine this is much easier done than said. hi, there are two ways .. 1) open the MOD..\(x5 \gt 4\).. first time let x5 be +ive ... so \(x5>4.....................x>9...\) second time take x5 to be ive... so \((x5)>4...\) Multiply both sides by '', the > sign will change........\(.....x5<4..... x<1.\) 2) critical method...here it will amount to same as above
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chetan2u wrote: redfield wrote: Bunuel wrote: Official Solution:
Is \(x5 \gt 4\)? Opening the absolute value we get the question: is \(x \lt 1\) or \(x \gt 9\)?
Can you explain "opening the absolute value"? I get what you mean in the end result as I can see if you add 5 to the other side you get 9 and if you subtract 5 you get 1 (how'd it become a positive 1?). But how did you know which one to flip the sign on? I imagine this is much easier done than said. hi, there are two ways .. 1) open the MOD..\(x5 \gt 4\).. first time let x5 be +ive ... so \(x5>4.....................x>9...\) second time take x5 to be ive... so \((x5)>4...\) Multiply both sides by '', the > sign will change........\(.....x5<4..... x<1.\) 2) critical method...here it will amount to same as above For more check the links below:
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I was of the impression that in DS questions the two statements provided cannot contradict each other. Is that true? If yes, aren't the two statements contradicting each other in this question?



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Bunuel I'm not sure I understand  if for statement 2 I plug in x=0, we have on one hand x5=05=5 > 4? No. But x5 also means (x5), correct? Then if I plug in x=0 here, it becomes (05)=5>4? Yes. We get 2 different answers with x=0 if we go with statement 2. Where am I going wrong? Thanks.



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bianalyst wrote: Bunuel I'm not sure I understand  if for statement 2 I plug in x=0, we have on one hand x5=05=5 > 4? No. But x5 also means (x5), correct? Then if I plug in x=0 here, it becomes (05)=5>4? Yes. We get 2 different answers with x=0 if we go with statement 2. Where am I going wrong? Thanks. First of all an absolute value is ALWAYS nonnegative, again it CANNOT be negative. So, x  5, no matter what x is will be positive or 0. It'll be 0 if x = 5 and positive for ANY other values of x. If x = 0, the x  5 = 0  5 = 5 = 5. Hope it's clear.
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For problemrelated to mod, keep in mind if a>b than a^2>b^2 X210x+9>0 which will be rewritten as (x9)(x1)>0 Solution set for this equation is (∞,1) U (9,∞)
Statement 1 says (x2)(x+2)<0 which means (2<x<2), and within this solution set stem will be positive as well as negative, NS
Statement 2 says (x1)(x+1)<0 which means (1<x<1), and within this solution set stem only be positive only. Sufficient
Hence B is the answer. Hope I am right and it's clear.



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Hi Bunuel, Many thanks for this great question. I got the solution, the way you showed it. Only today, while I was attempting another question from the GMAT Club tests, I stumbled upon the sign method for solving inequalities. I was just wondering if you or someone else could kindly explain how to solve THIS question using the sign method. Many thanks!
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