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How many different subsets of the set {0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5} do not contain 0?

A. \(16\)
B. \(27\)
C. \(31\)
D. \(32\)
E. \(64\)


Consider the set without 0: {1, 2, 3, 4, 5}. Each out of 5 elements of the set {1, 2, 3, 4, 5} has TWO options: either to be included in the subset or not, so total number of subsets of this set is \(2^5=32\). Now, each such set will be a subset of {0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5} and won't include 0.


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Hi Bunuel,

In this question should we not subtract 1 from 2^5 to get the answer as 31.
Because that one scenario would mean that none of 1,2,3,4,5 are included in the particular subset.
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In this question should we not subtract 1 from 2^5 to get the answer as 31.
Because that one scenario would mean that none of 1,2,3,4,5 are included in the particular subset.
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Set which does not contain any of the terms is an empty set. An empty set is a subset of every non-empty set, so no, we don't have to subtract 1.
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From {1,2,3,4,5}, the sets could be formed as 5C1 + 5C2 + 5C3 + 5C4 + 5C5 + 5C0 ( the empty set). I see what you mean. Thank you!
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Official Solution:

How many different subsets of the set {0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5} do not contain 0?

A. \(16\)
B. \(27\)
C. \(31\)
D. \(32\)
E. \(64\)


Consider the set without 0: {1, 2, 3, 4, 5}. Each out of 5 elements of the set {1, 2, 3, 4, 5} has TWO options: either to be included in the subset or not, so total number of subsets of this set is \(2^5=32\). Now, each such set will be a subset of {0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5} and won't include 0.


Answer: D


Hi,

I find it hard to understand why it should not be 5¡, because it is suppossed that there are 5 choices that you are combining; I think that answer 2^5=32 seems logic but It is hard to me to visualize why 5¡ does not work here.

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Bunuel wrote:
Official Solution:

How many different subsets of the set {0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5} do not contain 0?

A. \(16\)
B. \(27\)
C. \(31\)
D. \(32\)
E. \(64\)


Consider the set without 0: {1, 2, 3, 4, 5}. Each out of 5 elements of the set {1, 2, 3, 4, 5} has TWO options: either to be included in the subset or not, so total number of subsets of this set is \(2^5=32\). Now, each such set will be a subset of {0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5} and won't include 0.


Answer: D


Hi,

I find it hard to understand why it should not be 5¡, because it is suppossed that there are 5 choices that you are combining; I think that answer 2^5=32 seems logic but It is hard to me to visualize why 5¡ does not work here.

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5! gives different arrangements of {0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5}: {1, 0, 2, 3, 4, 5}, {1, 2, 0, 3, 4, 5}, {1, 2, 3, 0, 4, 5}, ... Which is not what the question is asking.

We need subsets without 0, which are:
{empty};
{1};
...
{5}
{1, 2}
{1, 3}
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luisnavarro wrote:
Bunuel wrote:
Official Solution:

How many different subsets of the set {0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5} do not contain 0?

A. \(16\)
B. \(27\)
C. \(31\)
D. \(32\)
E. \(64\)


Consider the set without 0: {1, 2, 3, 4, 5}. Each out of 5 elements of the set {1, 2, 3, 4, 5} has TWO options: either to be included in the subset or not, so total number of subsets of this set is \(2^5=32\). Now, each such set will be a subset of {0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5} and won't include 0.


Answer: D


Hi,

I find it hard to understand why it should not be 5¡, because it is suppossed that there are 5 choices that you are combining; I think that answer 2^5=32 seems logic but It is hard to me to visualize why 5¡ does not work here.

Thanks a lot.

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5! gives different arrangements of {0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5}: {1, 0, 2, 3, 4, 5}, {1, 2, 0, 3, 4, 5}, {1, 2, 3, 0, 4, 5}, ... Which is not what the question is asking.

We need subsets without 0, which are:
{empty};
{1};
...
{5}
{1, 2}
{1, 3}
...
...
{1, 2, 3, 4, 5}


Hi Bunuel,

Sorry, I am a little confused yet, 5! gives different arrangements without 0 {1, 2, 3, 4, 5}, and in your explanation you said:

5! gives different arrangements of {0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5}: {1, 0, 2, 3, 4, 5}, {1, 2, 0, 3, 4, 5}, {1, 2, 3, 0, 4, 5}, ... Which is not what the question is asking.

But I was reffering to 5! without cero... I am confused, could you help me again?

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Hi Bunuel,

Sorry, I am a little confused yet, 5! gives different arrangements without 0 {1, 2, 3, 4, 5}, and in your explanation you said:

5! gives different arrangements of {0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5}: {1, 0, 2, 3, 4, 5}, {1, 2, 0, 3, 4, 5}, {1, 2, 3, 0, 4, 5}, ... Which is not what the question is asking.

But I was reffering to 5! without cero... I am confused, could you help me again?

Thanks a lot

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Yes, 5! gives different arrangements of {1, 2, 3, 4, 5}. 0 in my previous post was a typo.

We need SUBSETS of {0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5} without 0, not arrangements of {1, 2, 3, 4, 5}. Subsets of {0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5} without 0 are:
{empty};
{1};
...
{5}
{1, 2}
{1, 3}
...
...
{1, 2, 3, 4, 5}

Notice that arrangements of {1, 2, 3, 4, 5} give the same 5-element sets but arranged in different ways, while subsets give an empty set, 1-element sets, 2-elements set, ..., 5-element sets.

Hope it's clear.
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Hi Bunuel,

Sorry, I am a little confused yet, 5! gives different arrangements without 0 {1, 2, 3, 4, 5}, and in your explanation you said:

5! gives different arrangements of {0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5}: {1, 0, 2, 3, 4, 5}, {1, 2, 0, 3, 4, 5}, {1, 2, 3, 0, 4, 5}, ... Which is not what the question is asking.

But I was reffering to 5! without cero... I am confused, could you help me again?

Thanks a lot

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Yes, 5! gives different arrangements of {1, 2, 3, 4, 5}. 0 in my previous post was a typo.

We need SUBSETS of {0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5} without 0, not arrangements of {1, 2, 3, 4, 5}. Subsets of {0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5} without 0 are:
{empty};
{1};
...
{5}
{1, 2}
{1, 3}
...
...
{1, 2, 3, 4, 5}

Notice that arrangements of {1, 2, 3, 4, 5} give the same 5-element sets but arranged in different ways, while subsets give an empty set, 1-element sets, 2-elements set, ..., 5-element sets.

Hope it's clear.


Thanks, it is more clear know, I only have a little more doubt...

What I inffer for this is that subsets orders by itself "automaticly", so then {1, 2, 3, 4, 5} only consider 1 posible combination, instead of mixing the order in the positions for instance: {3, 1, 5, 4, 2}, {2, 5, 3, 1, 4}... is my conclusion wrong or correct?

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luisnavarro wrote:
Hi Bunuel,

Sorry, I am a little confused yet, 5! gives different arrangements without 0 {1, 2, 3, 4, 5}, and in your explanation you said:

5! gives different arrangements of {0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5}: {1, 0, 2, 3, 4, 5}, {1, 2, 0, 3, 4, 5}, {1, 2, 3, 0, 4, 5}, ... Which is not what the question is asking.

But I was reffering to 5! without cero... I am confused, could you help me again?

Thanks a lot

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Yes, 5! gives different arrangements of {1, 2, 3, 4, 5}. 0 in my previous post was a typo.

We need SUBSETS of {0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5} without 0, not arrangements of {1, 2, 3, 4, 5}. Subsets of {0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5} without 0 are:
{empty};
{1};
...
{5}
{1, 2}
{1, 3}
...
...
{1, 2, 3, 4, 5}

Notice that arrangements of {1, 2, 3, 4, 5} give the same 5-element sets but arranged in different ways, while subsets give an empty set, 1-element sets, 2-elements set, ..., 5-element sets.

Hope it's clear.


Thanks, it is more clear know, I only have a little more doubt...

What I inffer for this is that subsets orders by itself "automaticly", so then {1, 2, 3, 4, 5} only consider 1 posible combination, instead of mixing the order in the positions for instance: {3, 1, 5, 4, 2}, {2, 5, 3, 1, 4}... is my conclusion wrong or correct?

Thanks a lot.

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A set, by definition, is a collection of elements without any order. (While, a sequence, by definition, is an ordered list of terms.)

So, we are not interested in ordering the elements in a set (subset): {1, 2} is the same set as {2, 1}.
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In this question should we not subtract 1 from 2^5 to get the answer as 31.
Because that one scenario would mean that none of 1,2,3,4,5 are included in the particular subset.
Please advise.
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Set which does not contain any of the terms is an empty set. An empty set is a subset of every non-empty set, so no, we don't have to subtract 1.

Hi, Bunuel. Could you please give a link to the rule about empty set being a subset. It sounds strange, taking into account that this term comes from statistics, which never studies 0 resptesentative set. TIA
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From {1,2,3,4,5}, the sets could be formed as 5C1 + 5C2 + 5C3 + 5C4 + 5C5 + 5C0 ( the empty set). I see what you mean. Thank you!



How does this work?

5C1 = 5
5C2 = 10
5C3 = 10
5C4 = 5

There are 30 subsets according to the above. Why would we include 5C5? 5C5 is the entire set, so by definition it is not a subset. Also, why would an empty set be considered a subset?
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seems answer choice D is wrong
subsets of the set {0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5} do not contain 0?
subset with just one number - 5c1= 5 - (1), (2), (3), (4), (5)
subset with 02 numbers from(1,2,3,4,5) - 5c2 = 10 - example (1,2),(1,3).....
subset with 01 numbers - 5c3= 10 example (1,2,3) (1,2,4)
subset with 04 numbers- 5c4= 5 - example (1,2,3,4), (12,3,5)......
example with 05 numbers 5c5 = 1 the whole one set ( 1,2,3,4,5)

so total = 5+10+10+10+1= 31
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Can anyone, please, explain what an empty subset is?
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seems answer choice D is wrong
subsets of the set {0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5} do not contain 0?
subset with just one number - 5c1= 5 - (1), (2), (3), (4), (5)
subset with 02 numbers from(1,2,3,4,5) - 5c2 = 10 - example (1,2),(1,3).....
subset with 01 numbers - 5c3= 10 example (1,2,3) (1,2,4)
subset with 04 numbers- 5c4= 5 - example (1,2,3,4), (12,3,5)......
example with 05 numbers 5c5 = 1 the whole one set ( 1,2,3,4,5)

so total = 5+10+10+10+1= 31

Empty subset needs to be considered
Hence 32

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Can anyone, please, explain what an empty subset is?

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The empty set is the set containing no elements. In mathematics, and more specifically set theory, theempty set is the unique set having no elements; its size or cardinality (count of elements in a set) is zero.

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Can anyone, please, explain what an empty subset is?

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The empty set is the set containing no elements. In mathematics, and more specifically set theory, theempty set is the unique set having no elements; its size or cardinality (count of elements in a set) is zero.

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The other solution to this could be :
Number of ways a subset with only one number can be formed : 5 ways ( taking 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 each)
Number of ways a subset with two numbers can be formed : 5C2 = 10 ways
Number of ways a subset with three numbers can be formed : 5C3 = 10 ways
Number of ways a subset with four numbers can be formed : 5C4 = 1 way
Null set( empty set) = 1 way

Answer: 5+10+10+5+1+1 =32
Things to remember while choosing : For example subset (1,2,3) is same as subset (3,2,1) .
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