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I am also in same boat.......
Like your advice of SC......Its more about meaning.....
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Hi Gmatpapa,

My question is regarding gmat club maths test.

My aim is to do complete all of them and also revise each one of them as complete 'em. I read your views about these tests. I agree that it is also about learning and not just about assessment. But still it's heart breaking not to see +ve results or results going down for that matter.

I have done 4 exams so far. Given below is my no. of correct in each exam:
m02:24
m03:25
m04:22
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My no. of correct is falling!! I am so concerned about it.

Is the level of exam on actual gmat harder than gmat club maths test?
With what perspective should I look at these scores? Keep doing 'em and keeping analysis my mistakes?

Please feel free to add any more suggestion that would help.

I would really appreciate a honest reply from you!

thanks,
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I took my first GMAT on october, 2010, scoring 620: Q44 V32. I was never really confident about Quant but Verbal section was a shocker as I considered Verbal my stronger area of the two. After the test I thought, like most people not hitting their target score do, that this was just a "bad day" and I probably should take the GMAT as soon as possible, ie after month when GMAT will allow me to take it again. I'm glad that I didn't.

Instead, I thought of taking a break for like a couple of weeks before even trying to find out what went wrong on my first attempt. No GMAT for a while. And then, I started to list down the things I had done before taking my first GMAT: Major ones were:

Getting obsessed with test scores: I took a lot of practice tests before my first attempt. And as I remembered, I was taking them just to see the score at the end. A 620 made me frustrated, a 680 made me relatively happy. What I was not doing was that I was not reviewing my tests properly. I didn't even go back and check the topics I was faring poorly on. For me, only the scores mattered and that was probably the biggest mistake I made the first time around.

Not pwning the OG problems: For OG questions, I did go back and check on the questions I got wrong, but not really with that scrutinizer's eye that I should have. Especially on the Verbal part, I never looked again at the questions that I got right, reviewing only the wrong ones.

Although, solving a few questions here and there, my actual preps for my second crusade started somewhere around early March this year, and I this time I determined not to make the mistakes I did the first time. I will list out the strategies that worked for and I hope that someone, somewhere may find them useful. So here goes my 2nd attempt debrief:

Material used: I purchased alot of them. Allow me to review them:

1. OG 12/ OG Quant/ OG Verbal: Everyone has them. But I've seen a lot of people say that the difficulty level is below that of the actual level. Well, while the first 50 questions on each of the two quant sections may be relatively easy, the verbal level is throughout very representative of the real GMAT. IMO, all OG questions really have to be treated like gold. I learnt this rather late but soon enough to realize their importance.

2. Manhattan Series: All the things you’ve read about them, well, are mostly true. The books I found most useful were the SC and Number Property ones (of course!). The rest, well, is too basic for anyone wanting to score above 700. I wonder why they publish such thin individual books such as FDPs, Geometry, Inequalities and VICs when they can easily club them into one single book. Any guesses? Anyways, that’s besides the point! Lets move on.

3. Kaplan Math and Verbal Workbooks: Decent books. IMO, they may be used to build a good foundation.

4. Veritas Prep books: I used 2 of them: Statistics & Problem Solving and Combinatorics/ Probability. Except for the fact that they’ve unnecessarily thickened the books by providing like 3/4th of a page to solve each of the problems, I rate these books quite highly. Each of the two books contain around 120 extremely GMAT like questions and the explanations are good too. These books are not available in India and I had to ask my brother to ship them here. Otherwise, I would have purchased more of their books.

5. Nova: Good for quant practice but way off target in the verbal section. You don’t need to make one assumption to qualify another assumption in a CR assumption question on the real GMAT. You know what I mean.

6. Princeton Review: Another OK book but perhaps too basic. If you’re looking to score in the 700s then you may give this book a skip. If your aim is a little lower, may be you could give this book a read.

7. Barrons: I just saw it at a store and picked it up primarily because it was very cheap and that I had heard that this book was popular with GRE test takers. Never really got to study it so I can’t comment how this book is.

Miscellaneous material:

1. Jeff Sackmann Extreme challenge: Excellent set of 100 very realistic tough GMAT questions. And the explanations are hotshot too. The only drawback is that its too combinatorics heavy. I got 75 correct out of 100. Folks targeting 50-51 in Quant may want to score more here, perhaps around 90.

2. 1000 SC/ CR etc: I was pretty excited to learn about them but the excitement soon gave way when I found out there is no authentic source for explanations or even correct answers. I quickly gave them up and focused on more genuine questions.

3. GMATPrep SC and CR document: the most helpful resource I ever used! Too bad I found them just about a week before my tests. Solving these questions really exposed my weak areas and helped me to work on them to at least some extent. These can be found as “sticky posts” on the respective forums and are a Must-Do, but only after you’ve completed your GMATPreps. Perhaps the best time to solve these questions is just before your test, so that your mistakes will be fresh in your mind. Note that "just before" may mean different time periods to different people.


Section by Section Strategy:

1. SC: The more you practice, the more the mistakes you make, the more you review your mistakes, the better you will get with SC. I primarily used Manhattan SC but I got real confident in SC when I started to take down my own notes. This really really does help folks. Give it a try for at least one chapter and you’ll see it for yourself. When it comes to solving questions, the only sources I trust for authentic questions are the official ones. I really believe that although Manhattan SC is a phenomenal book for theory, but for questions, it falls short of the real deal(I’m talking about Manhattan GMAT CATs). Its my opinion, however.

2. RC: The strategy that really helped me was to make a gist in the mind as to what any particular paragraph in the passage is functioning as. Is it providing examples to a phenomenon described before, is it providing counter-evidence, is it providing additional evidence etc etc. Understanding the role of different paragraphs is the key to understanding the theme and main idea of the passage. IMO, you can solve almost 60% of OG questions if you did just that.

3. CR: Ahh! How can I enough thank the Powerscore CR bible. I think I cant! I did this book around 3-4 times and whenever I did, my CR accuracy shot up like crazy! Give this book a try if you’re looking to improve your CR and buy the original one guys, not the one floating around on rapidshare :D

4. Quant: I have always struggled with both timing and accuracy. One strategy that worked particularly well for me was that I got reasonably good with number properties and was able to solve these questions in around 1 minute and considering there are almost 8-10 questions from this topic, I could manage to get some extra time to attack word problems and harder questions such as inequalities and mixtures. So, in the end I would say to improve your score in Quant, you have to devote time to practice. period.


Tests I took:

1. Manhattan tests: I finished all of them during my first attempt. 670 being my highest. I feel the quant section in these tests is way too difficult. But well, I scored 48 on the actual thing and may be 50/ 51 level test takers may not find it so difficult. Verbal part is decent but I’ve come to believe that there is no material in the whole wide world that is representative of the real questions except the OG/ GMATPrep.

2. Kaplan CD tests: Good tests but as is universal knowledge, the scoring is pretty screwed. My highest was around 660 on these tests. I would advice that use these tests to see where you are going rather than to see the score at the end. I feel Quant section is very good but the Verbal section is too tough. You don’t expect to see too many parallel reasoning/ boldface questions when you’re hitting 30-32 right? Well, expect them on these tests.

3. Randon free Tests: took the free tests from Knewton/ Veritas/ Princeton review etc. I’m thankful to these guys to provide free tests. Although scoring is not GMATPrep accurate, the tests do have some good questions.

4. GMAT Club tests: Helped me immensely to get rid of my math phobia and to time myself. I started off with around 19-20 incorrect answers and graduated to average around 9/10 incorrect per test. I would say that if you can finish the test on time with not more than 5-6 wrong on a consistent basis, you may well be on your way to Quant glory. Also, these tests are recommended for those who are already at around 44-45 level. If you’re currently scoring below that, may be you should refer the Manhattan books first and then attempt these tests. Otherwise, you risk getting frustrated. More so because even the short explanations provided for the questions assume that you have a solid foundation already.

5. GMATPrep: These tests give you the most authentic experience. Be ready to see the exact same type of questions on your real exam. Take them as many times as possible, even though you may see a lot of repeats. The point here is that you should be familiar with as many official questions as possible. Especially on the Verbal area. I brutally misused these tests in that I never took them with AWA, scoring around 730-740 on the previously un-attempted tests. So guys, get in the habit of taking the AWA with your test. If you do not then you can safely take out 30 points from your score.



Test Day Experience:

Got to the venue early. It began on a good note because as soon as I entered, I saw a very pretty girl sitting in the waiting area. I was like, hmmm not a bad start as compared with my last attempt where there were only dudes sitting who looked just like me!

After the formalities, I was shown in. I said a silent prayer and started the race. The AWAs were pretty staright forward but as soon as my 1st essay was getting submitted, I spotted a small typo and that really ruined my 2nd essay. I’m yet to receive my official score. I'm praying my AWA score isn't all that horrible.

Quant Section: Went like a breeze. The questions were very representative of the OG Quant review. I got some 3-4 combinatorics question if I remember correctly out of which one was phenomenally tough. It took me 2 minutes to understand the question and 2 seconds to decide that I’m not even going to try :) A big problem that has plagued my quant score throughout is the silly mistakes, almost 3-5 questions/ test. And I’m sure these mistakes cost me a lot on the real test also as after the section, I thought I’d nailed 50. But anyways.

Verbal: SCs have grown tougher. Lot tougher. I averaged around 45 secs/ SC during practice but I think around 90 secs on the real test. May be I was tired, but I don't think the questions were in any way easy. I got a lot of style/ meaning/ comparisons related questions. CR was pretty okay. - mostly Assumptions and Fill in the blanks type questions. CR questions were similar to OG to such an extent that I can’t disclose as GMAC will sue me! RC: the three short passages were pretty decent but the long passage, which also happened to be the fourth, was both convoluted and tough(Phytoplankton/ neurotransmitter kinda stuff :roll: ). Or may be I felt that way as I had really run out of steam by that time. I’m pretty sure I got all 4 questions of this RC wrong, the only reason I can see for my score not being 42.

Phew! Test completed- irritating information form fillup over- Now it was time to report or cancel the score. I actually froze up at this moment as upto this point, the thought that I will see a score at the end had not occurred to me!! Anyways, clicked on “report my scores” and was relieved to see a 710. Q48-damn! V40- Ah okay I’ll take it considering the latter half of my verbal section was absolutely pathetic.
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Its been like 5 days since my test but I haven’t received the official score report yet. May be I’ll shoot an email today. I am giving myself a months time to really relax and not think anything about the MBA. Will start research on schools after that. I belong to the Indian-Male segment (thankfully, not IT!!) so I really have to work hard on my essays. May be a re-take/ may be not, I’m not really not thinking anything about it at this stage. I haven't really zeroed in on the schools I will apply to, and my re-take decision will largely depend on the choice of my schools. And may be scholarships.

In any case, my priorities for the next month have nothing to even remotely do with MBA- trekking, movies, working out my a$$ off, my band, hook up with an ex etc etc :P I think I'll need that much time to reward myself for how far I've come in the last 6-8 months.

Thanks for taking out time to read my story guys! If you have any questions, I’ll be glad to answer. I think I will be able to most help folks who are at 600 level now and want to score around 700, as my journey has been exactly that..

Wish you all the best!

gP


Hey man, really inspiring.
Were you ever in a position where you felt like your score is not rising only? Since the past few mocks I'm getting the same score and its driving me crazy. Stuck at 630 640. Any advice?
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Hey, great job! I'm in the same boat, got destroyed by verbal out of nowhere. Trying to mobilize and do a retake next month
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Instead, I thought of taking a break for like a couple of weeks before even trying to find out what went wrong on my first attempt. No GMAT for a while. And then, I started to list down the things I had done before taking my first GMAT: Major ones were:

Getting obsessed with test scores: I took a lot of practice tests before my first attempt. And as I remembered, I was taking them just to see the score at the end. A 620 made me frustrated, a 680 made me relatively happy. What I was not doing was that I was not reviewing my tests properly. I didn't even go back and check the topics I was faring poorly on. For me, only the scores mattered and that was probably the biggest mistake I made the first time around.

Not pwning the OG problems: For OG questions, I did go back and check on the questions I got wrong, but not really with that scrutinizer's eye that I should have. Especially on the Verbal part, I never looked again at the questions that I got right, reviewing only the wrong ones.

Material used: I purchased alot of them. Allow me to review them:

1. OG 12/ OG Quant/ OG Verbal: Everyone has them. But I've seen a lot of people say that the difficulty level is below that of the actual level. Well, while the first 50 questions on each of the two quant sections may be relatively easy, the verbal level is throughout very representative of the real GMAT. IMO, all OG questions really have to be treated like gold. I learnt this rather late but soon enough to realize their importance.

2. Manhattan Series: All the things you’ve read about them, well, are mostly true. The books I found most useful were the SC and Number Property ones (of course!). The rest, well, is too basic for anyone wanting to score above 700. I wonder why they publish such thin individual books such as FDPs, Geometry, Inequalities and VICs when they can easily club them into one single book. Any guesses? Anyways, that’s besides the point! Lets move on.


Miscellaneous material:


3. GMATPrep SC and CR document: the most helpful resource I ever used! Too bad I found them just about a week before my tests. Solving these questions really exposed my weak areas and helped me to work on them to at least some extent. These can be found as “sticky posts” on the respective forums and are a Must-Do, but only after you’ve completed your GMATPreps. Perhaps the best time to solve these questions is just before your test, so that your mistakes will be fresh in your mind. Note that "just before" may mean different time periods to different people.


Section by Section Strategy:

1. SC: The more you practice, the more the mistakes you make, the more you review your mistakes, the better you will get with SC. I primarily used Manhattan SC but I got real confident in SC when I started to take down my own notes. This really really does help folks. Give it a try for at least one chapter and you’ll see it for yourself. When it comes to solving questions, the only sources I trust for authentic questions are the official ones. I really believe that although Manhattan SC is a phenomenal book for theory, but for questions, it falls short of the real deal(I’m talking about Manhattan GMAT CATs). Its my opinion, however.

2. RC: The strategy that really helped me was to make a gist in the mind as to what any particular paragraph in the passage is functioning as. Is it providing examples to a phenomenon described before, is it providing counter-evidence, is it providing additional evidence etc etc. Understanding the role of different paragraphs is the key to understanding the theme and main idea of the passage. IMO, you can solve almost 60% of OG questions if you did just that.

3. CR: Ahh! How can I enough thank the Powerscore CR bible. I think I cant! I did this book around 3-4 times and whenever I did, my CR accuracy shot up like crazy! Give this book a try if you’re looking to improve your CR and buy the original one guys, not the one floating around on rapidshare :D


Tests I took:

4. GMAT Club tests: Helped me immensely to get rid of my math phobia and to time myself. I started off with around 19-20 incorrect answers and graduated to average around 9/10 incorrect per test. I would say that if you can finish the test on time with not more than 5-6 wrong on a consistent basis, you may well be on your way to Quant glory. Also, these tests are recommended for those who are already at around 44-45 level. If you’re currently scoring below that, may be you should refer the Manhattan books first and then attempt these tests. Otherwise, you risk getting frustrated. More so because even the short explanations provided for the questions assume that you have a solid foundation already.

5. GMATPrep: These tests give you the most authentic experience. Be ready to see the exact same type of questions on your real exam. Take them as many times as possible, even though you may see a lot of repeats. The point here is that you should be familiar with as many official questions as possible. Especially on the Verbal area. I brutally misused these tests in that I never took them with AWA, scoring around 730-740 on the previously un-attempted tests. So guys, get in the habit of taking the AWA with your test. If you do not then you can safely take out 30 points from your score.



Quoting the sections I find most helpful from this wonderful debrief. In terms of study materials, Official Guide + GMAT Club Tests (for Quant practice) + Manhattan GMAT (for Quant and SC) + PowerScore (CR) + own experience (RC) is a deadly combination :cool:
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Hey mate,

Great suggestions for SC! I found the exact same thing. The more sporadic approaches you make to SC, the less progress you make.
This is something not always emphasised. I think the review process needs to be emphasised more as some test takers review instinctively, others do not.
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